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**hobsonbay player** · 12-10-2010, 03:07 PM

Its not just sky-rocketing prices we are dealing with .Shortage of housing

for many couples and families and ,also massive waiting lists with Administration
of Housing and local real- states . Crisis will deepen before it gets better in this State or other
states for that matter . Many landlord's are exploiting this factor knowing
full well their is a shortage in market place for housing so they continually bump
up price because it leaves people with no choice to pay that extra increase otherwise they'll be on street or in many case's in their cars or tents.

Perhaps some people should get out their ivory tower's and sniff the coffee and see what is really happening on ground ,instead pretending do know what really
is happening .

**Axiom** · 12-10-2010, 03:35 PM

The Death of Free Will

**Igor Goldenberg** · 12-10-2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Property Council of Australia - Australia: worldâ€™s worst housing affordability

I am not sure how they done this survey and what cities did they compare us with. In Melbourne we have suburbs that skyrocketed in price and would require a huge mortgage to buy in.
However, there are plenty of affordable suburbs as well.
One thing survey is not likely to address - people often don't buy from the scratch but trade-up.
In other words, I'd be sceptical about this survey.

**Igor Goldenberg** · 12-10-2010, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

Its not just sky-rocketing prices we are dealing with .Shortage of housing

for many couples and families and ,also massive waiting lists with Administration
of Housing and local real- states . Crisis will deepen before it gets better in this State or other
states for that matter . Many landlord's are exploiting this factor knowing
full well their is a shortage in market place for housing so they continually bump
up price because it leaves people with no choice to pay that extra increase otherwise they'll be on street or in many case's in their cars or tents.

Perhaps some people should get out their ivory tower's and sniff the coffee and see what is really happening on ground ,instead pretending do know what really
is happening .

I know many landlords who are/were struggling to get tenants. It's a two way street, and there is a huge different between inner and outer suburbs.

But I agree state government must relax zoning and planning regulations, release more land and allow more multi-apartment blocks in the inner suburbs.

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

(....please just ignore the fact that australia is no 1 in the world in the housing un-affordability stakes.)

That is a current phk up in political process.

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Why is the printing of physical currency (ie money) controlled by governments?

It isn't. It is controlled by banks. They do it by assessing the "worth" of collateral such that it facilitates the creation of credit. This has an IDENTICAL effect to the printing of money.

**Axiom** · 12-10-2010, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

It isn't. It is controlled by banks. They do it by assessing the "worth" of collateral such that it facilitates the creation of credit.

yes, and that collateral is YOU !

**Axiom** · 12-10-2010, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

That is a current phk up in political process.

luckily that doesn't happen very often

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

... is not handed to them on the golden plate.

You mean the Goldenberg Fait. [I am a smack down master

]

Countries that embrace with free market consistently outperformed socialists countries in virtually every aspect, especially standard of living for everyone.

Yep, I would rather be born in free market Barundi than socialist Norway. (IG = idiot)

Collectivism, on the other hand, allows ruling elite to live in luxury when the rest is in absolute poverty.

The free market USA has one of the highest disparity of wealth on the planet. (IG = idiot)

The short answer - it does not have to be. Some economists argue that [printing money] breeds inflation.

ALL economists say that.

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

90% ... tariff will make life worse for us,

How?

will make life much worse for those that work in "sweat shops" (as it pays better and provide better condition that what they had otherwise).

12hrs a day at a bench is better than 8 hours in the field????

It'll make few capitalists richer by protecting them from competition - exact opposite of what you would like to achieve.

The capitalists cannot be better off with a 90% luxury tax in place.

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

They become the fertile ground for all those extremist groups (a la Green).

I cannot believe you believe Green is extremist. If you do, you are not educated, Maybe you should be a trolley collector or be flipping goldenbergers.

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

Shortage of housing

NO! There is an excess of demand! That demand is from couples (often with children) who divorce to become singles.

**Iconoclast** · 12-10-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

I know many landlords who are/were struggling to get tenants.

PHK EM. Landlords are parasites. They should just sell the property.

**Axiom** · 12-10-2010, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

NO! There is an excess of demand! That demand is from couples (often with children) who divorce to become singles.

it's just one of those "political phk ups" hobbsy ,
move right along .

**Iconoclast** · 12-11-2010, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

it's just one of those "political phk ups"

Yep. A system of laws and taxes that allow 40% family break down is a major phk up.

12-10-2010, 03:07 PM	#91 (permalink)
hobsonbay player Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 180	Its more then just housing affordability Its not just sky-rocketing prices we are dealing with .Shortage of housing for many couples and families and ,also massive waiting lists with Administration of Housing and local real- states . Crisis will deepen before it gets better in this State or other states for that matter . Many landlord's are exploiting this factor knowing full well their is a shortage in market place for housing so they continually bump up price because it leaves people with no choice to pay that extra increase otherwise they'll be on street or in many case's in their cars or tents. Perhaps some people should get out their ivory tower's and sniff the coffee and see what is really happening on ground ,instead pretending do know what really is happening .

12-10-2010, 03:35 PM	#92 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Charlotte Iserbyt The Death of Free Will __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-10-2010, 05:09 PM	#93 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Axiom Property Council of Australia - Australia: worldâ€™s worst housing affordability I am not sure how they done this survey and what cities did they compare us with. In Melbourne we have suburbs that skyrocketed in price and would require a huge mortgage to buy in. However, there are plenty of affordable suburbs as well. One thing survey is not likely to address - people often don't buy from the scratch but trade-up. In other words, I'd be sceptical about this survey. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

12-10-2010, 05:12 PM	#94 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by hobsonbay player Its not just sky-rocketing prices we are dealing with .Shortage of housing for many couples and families and ,also massive waiting lists with Administration of Housing and local real- states . Crisis will deepen before it gets better in this State or other states for that matter . Many landlord's are exploiting this factor knowing full well their is a shortage in market place for housing so they continually bump up price because it leaves people with no choice to pay that extra increase otherwise they'll be on street or in many case's in their cars or tents. Perhaps some people should get out their ivory tower's and sniff the coffee and see what is really happening on ground ,instead pretending do know what really is happening . I know many landlords who are/were struggling to get tenants. It's a two way street, and there is a huge different between inner and outer suburbs. But I agree state government must relax zoning and planning regulations, release more land and allow more multi-apartment blocks in the inner suburbs. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

12-10-2010, 08:04 PM	#95 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom (....please just ignore the fact that australia is no 1 in the world in the housing un-affordability stakes.) That is a current phk up in political process. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 08:14 PM	#96 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Why is the printing of physical currency (ie money) controlled by governments? It isn't. It is controlled by banks. They do it by assessing the "worth" of collateral such that it facilitates the creation of credit. This has an IDENTICAL effect to the printing of money. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 08:19 PM	#97 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	End The Fed ! Originally Posted by Iconoclast It isn't. It is controlled by banks. They do it by assessing the "worth" of collateral such that it facilitates the creation of credit. yes, and that collateral is YOU ! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 12-10-2010 at 08:53 PM

12-10-2010, 08:32 PM	#98 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast That is a current phk up in political process. luckily that doesn't happen very often __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-10-2010, 08:38 PM	#99 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg ... is not handed to them on the golden plate. You mean the Goldenberg Fait. [I am a smack down master ] Countries that embrace with free market consistently outperformed socialists countries in virtually every aspect, especially standard of living for everyone. Yep, I would rather be born in free market Barundi than socialist Norway. (IG = idiot) Collectivism, on the other hand, allows ruling elite to live in luxury when the rest is in absolute poverty. The free market USA has one of the highest disparity of wealth on the planet. (IG = idiot) The short answer - it does not have to be. Some economists argue that [printing money] breeds inflation. ALL economists say that. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 08:44 PM	#100 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg 90% ... tariff will make life worse for us, How? will make life much worse for those that work in "sweat shops" (as it pays better and provide better condition that what they had otherwise). 12hrs a day at a bench is better than 8 hours in the field???? It'll make few capitalists richer by protecting them from competition - exact opposite of what you would like to achieve. The capitalists cannot be better off with a 90% luxury tax in place. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 08:48 PM	#101 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg They become the fertile ground for all those extremist groups (a la Green). I cannot believe you believe Green is extremist. If you do, you are not educated, Maybe you should be a trolley collector or be flipping goldenbergers. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 08:53 PM	#102 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by hobsonbay player Shortage of housing NO! There is an excess of demand! That demand is from couples (often with children) who divorce to become singles. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 08:56 PM	#103 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg I know many landlords who are/were struggling to get tenants. PHK EM. Landlords are parasites. They should just sell the property. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-10-2010, 09:25 PM	#104 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast NO! There is an excess of demand! That demand is from couples (often with children) who divorce to become singles. it's just one of those "political phk ups" hobbsy , move right along . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-11-2010, 12:43 AM	#105 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom it's just one of those "political phk ups" Yep. A system of laws and taxes that allow 40% family break down is a major phk up. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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