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**Iconoclast** · 08-29-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

all by design

Design? That would be like the design of life on Earth by a god - i.e. not at all.

**Axiom** · 08-29-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Design? That would be like the design of life on Earth by a god - i.e. not at all.

except i have informedness on my side !

refer: the history of mass schooling , originating in Prussia .
refer: the history of government , originating in elite puppet control .

**SvetlanaBabe** · 12-08-2010, 12:15 AM

I home-school my daughters!

Incidently, 'The Road to Serfdom' by Von Hayek is a fabulous read.

**Axiom** · 12-08-2010, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by SvetlanaBabe

I home-school my daughters!

Incidently, 'The Road to Serfdom' by Von Hayek is a fabulous read.

Are you familiar with the writings of john taylor gatto or charlotte iserbyt ?

iserbyt is on the alex jones show today actually !

TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW

Alex talks with former federal prosecutor and a former member of the United States House of Representatives, Bob Barr. He was the Libertarian Party nominee for President of the United States in the 2008 election. Mr. Barr has filed a Freedom of Information Act request in response to the revelation that the the Department of Homeland Security has been keeping tabs on the Drudge Report and other prominent media outlets who have spearheaded a nationwide revolt against invasive TSA airport security measures. Alex also talks with whistleblower Charlotte Iserbyt who served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement, U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration. Iserbyt is the author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, a chronological history of the past 100+ years of education reform. The book argues that the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It is now available at the Infowar Store. Alex also covers the latest breaking news and takes your call.

Listen now Listen Now Windows Media Windows Media Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

**SvetlanaBabe** · 12-08-2010, 09:15 AM

I am familiar with the writings of J.T.Gatto but I am not familiar with Charlotte Iserbyte (yet).

I am more a fan of Ivan Illich. He wrote 'Deschooling Society',a wonderful read.

I am very concerned with some of the leftist claptrap which gets taught in our Universities here.

Gillard comes from (nominally) the 'Left Faction' of the Labor Party and look at her!

Keep it coming Gospodin Axiom!

**Iconoclast** · 12-08-2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

Educated people tend to go ape if they are told to clean toilets. Educated people become soldiers who will not obey orders. Educated people do not usually become prostitutes. Educated people want some else to clean their toilet, fight their wars, and work on their genitals.

Personally, I am pretty unimpressed that there are no driveway service stations anymore.

As a teacher I want the leaving age to be 14. Most people over 14 do not belong in ANY school.

**SvetlanaBabe** · 12-08-2010, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Educated people tend to go ape if they are told to clean toilets. Educated people become soldiers who will not obey orders. Educated people do not usually become prostitutes. Educated people want some else to clean their toilet, fight their wars, and work on their genitals.

Personally, I am pretty unimpressed that there are no driveway service stations anymore.

As a teacher I want the leaving age to be 14. Most people over 14 do not belong in ANY school.

Quite profound.......

**Axiom** · 12-08-2010, 08:18 PM

**SvetlanaBabe** · 12-08-2010, 09:27 PM

"They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,

They hate you if your clever and they despise a fool.

Till your so fuckin' crazy you can't follow their rules,

A working class hero is something to be".

John Lennon- Working Class Hero

**Iconoclast** · 12-08-2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by SvetlanaBabe

Quite profound.......

Dunno if it "profound" but it is an unspoken truth, a taboo. The reality [note that axiom] is there are a lot of crappy jobs out their that need to be done. Many of those jobs have been exported to developing countries. All those menial production lines that gave us tyres, toasters, toys and telephone help are in china and India. Now our less abled citizens are unemployed, and in our technologically advanced first world, that means unemployable.

We need to bring back our dead-end jobs for our dead-heads. Currently the high schools are soaking up about half a million semi-literate semi-adults who would be unemployed and causing trouble on the streets if they weren't causing trouble in the schools. High school is a waste of TME (time, money,energy) for about a third of people. The tragedy is that that third are, by their antics, holding back the education of the other two thirds.

**SvetlanaBabe** · 12-08-2010, 10:35 PM

It was like this back in my day. Growing up in a VERY rough area (Broadmeadows) in the 70's a lot of kids went through more hell, with other thug kids we were studying with, than with 'the system'.

A lot of these kids became violent criminals (now dead) but many kids were damaged beyond help.

It is worse now I believe.

It was sheer luck a teacher showed some faith in me (she knew I played junior chess tournaments!) I thanked her by letter only 22 years later!
I owe chess for getting me out of Broadmeadows and into the Blackwood/Daylesford area.

I've been here ever since.

**SvetlanaBabe** · 12-08-2010, 10:48 PM

I respect many teachers, my brother is a teacher, my in-laws are teachers.
Many see it as a 'calling'. It can be, truly! Even I used to teach.

"Many try to change the world if we could
but it's about improving your neighbourhood"

**Igor Goldenberg** · 12-09-2010, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

We need to bring back our dead-end jobs for our dead-heads. Currently the high schools are soaking up about half a million semi-literate semi-adults who would be unemployed and causing trouble on the streets if they weren't causing trouble in the schools. High school is a waste of TME (time, money,energy) for about a third of people. The tragedy is that that third are, by their antics, holding back the education of the other two thirds.

If we maintain high minimal wages, those jobs will never come back.

**Firegoat7** · 12-09-2010, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

If we maintain high minimal wages, those jobs will never come back.

Boo Hoo, the rich might have to clean their own toilets, a booo hoo hoo. What a complete crock of an argument.

**Firegoat7** · 12-09-2010, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by SvetlanaBabe

I respect many teachers, my brother is a teacher, my in-laws are teachers.
Many see it as a 'calling'. It can be, truly! Even I used to teach.

"Many try to change the world if we could
but it's about improving your neighbourhood"

Isn't this thread just Alex M having a conversation with Alex M?

08-29-2010, 08:27 PM	#61 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom all by design Design? That would be like the design of life on Earth by a god - i.e. not at all. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-29-2010, 08:29 PM	#62 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Design? That would be like the design of life on Earth by a god - i.e. not at all. except i have informedness on my side ! refer: the history of mass schooling , originating in Prussia . refer: the history of government , originating in elite puppet control . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-08-2010, 12:15 AM	#63 (permalink)
SvetlanaBabe My name is Alex Malejewich Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Daylesford Posts: 133	Von Hayek I home-school my daughters! Incidently, 'The Road to Serfdom' by Von Hayek is a fabulous read.

12-08-2010, 12:29 AM	#64 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Way To Go ! Originally Posted by SvetlanaBabe I home-school my daughters! Incidently, 'The Road to Serfdom' by Von Hayek is a fabulous read. Are you familiar with the writings of john taylor gatto or charlotte iserbyt ? iserbyt is on the alex jones show today actually ! TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW Alex talks with former federal prosecutor and a former member of the United States House of Representatives, Bob Barr. He was the Libertarian Party nominee for President of the United States in the 2008 election. Mr. Barr has filed a Freedom of Information Act request in response to the revelation that the the Department of Homeland Security has been keeping tabs on the Drudge Report and other prominent media outlets who have spearheaded a nationwide revolt against invasive TSA airport security measures. Alex also talks with whistleblower Charlotte Iserbyt who served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement, U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration. Iserbyt is the author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, a chronological history of the past 100+ years of education reform. The book argues that the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It is now available at the Infowar Store. Alex also covers the latest breaking news and takes your call. Listen now Listen Now Windows Media Windows Media Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-08-2010, 09:15 AM	#65 (permalink)
SvetlanaBabe My name is Alex Malejewich Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Daylesford Posts: 133	Ivan Illich I am familiar with the writings of J.T.Gatto but I am not familiar with Charlotte Iserbyte (yet). I am more a fan of Ivan Illich. He wrote 'Deschooling Society',a wonderful read. I am very concerned with some of the leftist claptrap which gets taught in our Universities here. Gillard comes from (nominally) the 'Left Faction' of the Labor Party and look at her! Keep it coming Gospodin Axiom!

12-08-2010, 06:58 PM	#66 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America Educated people tend to go ape if they are told to clean toilets. Educated people become soldiers who will not obey orders. Educated people do not usually become prostitutes. Educated people want some else to clean their toilet, fight their wars, and work on their genitals. Personally, I am pretty unimpressed that there are no driveway service stations anymore. As a teacher I want the leaving age to be 14. Most people over 14 do not belong in ANY school. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-08-2010, 07:58 PM	#67 (permalink)
SvetlanaBabe My name is Alex Malejewich Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Daylesford Posts: 133	Que profundo! Originally Posted by Iconoclast Educated people tend to go ape if they are told to clean toilets. Educated people become soldiers who will not obey orders. Educated people do not usually become prostitutes. Educated people want some else to clean their toilet, fight their wars, and work on their genitals. Personally, I am pretty unimpressed that there are no driveway service stations anymore. As a teacher I want the leaving age to be 14. Most people over 14 do not belong in ANY school. Quite profound.......

12-08-2010, 08:18 PM	#68 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	__________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-08-2010, 09:27 PM	#69 (permalink)
SvetlanaBabe My name is Alex Malejewich Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Daylesford Posts: 133	"They hurt you at home and they hit you at school, They hate you if your clever and they despise a fool. Till your so fuckin' crazy you can't follow their rules, A working class hero is something to be". John Lennon- Working Class Hero

12-08-2010, 09:58 PM	#70 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by SvetlanaBabe Quite profound....... Dunno if it "profound" but it is an unspoken truth, a taboo. The reality [note that axiom] is there are a lot of crappy jobs out their that need to be done. Many of those jobs have been exported to developing countries. All those menial production lines that gave us tyres, toasters, toys and telephone help are in china and India. Now our less abled citizens are unemployed, and in our technologically advanced first world, that means unemployable. We need to bring back our dead-end jobs for our dead-heads. Currently the high schools are soaking up about half a million semi-literate semi-adults who would be unemployed and causing trouble on the streets if they weren't causing trouble in the schools. High school is a waste of TME (time, money,energy) for about a third of people. The tragedy is that that third are, by their antics, holding back the education of the other two thirds. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-08-2010, 10:35 PM	#71 (permalink)
SvetlanaBabe My name is Alex Malejewich Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Daylesford Posts: 133	The Daylesford-Lyonville-Blackwood region It was like this back in my day. Growing up in a VERY rough area (Broadmeadows) in the 70's a lot of kids went through more hell, with other thug kids we were studying with, than with 'the system'. A lot of these kids became violent criminals (now dead) but many kids were damaged beyond help. It is worse now I believe. It was sheer luck a teacher showed some faith in me (she knew I played junior chess tournaments!) I thanked her by letter only 22 years later! I owe chess for getting me out of Broadmeadows and into the Blackwood/Daylesford area. I've been here ever since.

12-08-2010, 10:48 PM	#72 (permalink)
SvetlanaBabe My name is Alex Malejewich Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Daylesford Posts: 133	I respect many teachers, my brother is a teacher, my in-laws are teachers. Many see it as a 'calling'. It can be, truly! Even I used to teach. "Many try to change the world if we could but it's about improving your neighbourhood"

12-09-2010, 09:55 AM	#73 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 329	Originally Posted by Iconoclast We need to bring back our dead-end jobs for our dead-heads. Currently the high schools are soaking up about half a million semi-literate semi-adults who would be unemployed and causing trouble on the streets if they weren't causing trouble in the schools. High school is a waste of TME (time, money,energy) for about a third of people. The tragedy is that that third are, by their antics, holding back the education of the other two thirds. If we maintain high minimal wages, those jobs will never come back. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

12-09-2010, 12:57 PM	#74 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg If we maintain high minimal wages, those jobs will never come back. Boo Hoo, the rich might have to clean their own toilets, a booo hoo hoo. What a complete crock of an argument. __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-09-2010, 12:59 PM	#75 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 1,924 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by SvetlanaBabe I respect many teachers, my brother is a teacher, my in-laws are teachers. Many see it as a 'calling'. It can be, truly! Even I used to teach. "Many try to change the world if we could but it's about improving your neighbourhood" Isn't this thread just Alex M having a conversation with Alex M? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

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