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**Axiom** · 03-07-2009, 09:58 PM

Australian police will have power to secretly search homes

Simon Benson
The Daily Telegraph
March 5, 2009

Police will be allowed to secretly search suspects’ homes and remotely access their home computers for a month under the most draconian covert operation laws the state has seen.

And no one will know, because of a provision allowing investigators to keep those being spied on in the dark for up to three years.

The laws, which give police greater power to deal with criminals than they have to use against suspected terrorists, were introduced into Parliament without warning by the Government yesterday as part of a crackdown on criminal gangs. However, they drew immediate criticism from civil libertarians, who claimed it was an invasion of personal freedom and from the NSW Opposition, who claimed they wouldn’t work.

Premier Nathan Rees said NSW would be the first jurisdiction in Australia to adopt the covert search warrants, modelled on Commonwealth anti-terrorism legislation.

Australian police will have power to secretly search homes

**Just2Good** · 03-08-2009, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Australian police will have power to secretly search homes

Simon Benson
The Daily Telegraph
March 5, 2009

Police will be allowed to secretly search suspects’ homes and remotely access their home computers for a month under the most draconian covert operation laws the state has seen.

And no one will know, because of a provision allowing investigators to keep those being spied on in the dark for up to three years.

The laws, which give police greater power to deal with criminals than they have to use against suspected terrorists, were introduced into Parliament without warning by the Government yesterday as part of a crackdown on criminal gangs. However, they drew immediate criticism from civil libertarians, who claimed it was an invasion of personal freedom and from the NSW Opposition, who claimed they wouldn’t work.

Premier Nathan Rees said NSW would be the first jurisdiction in Australia to adopt the covert search warrants, modelled on Commonwealth anti-terrorism legislation.

Australian police will have power to secretly search homes

Nice try Axiom, but there is still judicial oversight. The article goes on to say:

The warrants will be issued through the Supreme Court and limited to investigations of suspected serious offences punishable by at least seven years jail.

Best Regards,

AO

**Axiom** · 03-08-2009, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Nice try Axiom, but there is still judicial oversight. The article goes on to say:

Best Regards,

AO

and in the very next paragraph , the vital point :

"NSW Police will be able to apply to the Supreme Court to delay notification of their activities for 18 months and up to three years in some exceptional circumstances."

followed by :

"These powers are more powerful than those available to the federal police when dealing with terrorism suspects," NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Cameron Murphy said. "These are exactly the types of laws that led to a huge police corruption problem in NSW in the past. It is going to lead to more police corruption. Why would the NSW Police need more power in dealing with ordinary criminals than the federal police does in dealing with terrorists?"

**Axiom** · 03-09-2009, 02:14 AM

Police store photos of peaceful protesters on criminal database - Telegraph

**Cephus** · 03-10-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Police store photos of peaceful protesters on criminal database - Telegraph

Well, they have to start somewhere. Information is collected and stored on plenty of suspects before they are convicted, and even on plenty of suspects that are not convicted. I'm guessing that they probably have all the info they can gather there.

I don't see anything unjust with the act of merely collecting information using non-intrusive techniques, such as using cameras in public on public property, just as long as it is an activity (the video recording) that is just as legal for British citizens to perform on their own and without any special restrictions. I'm guessing it's not the case, though.

Furthermore, the problem isn't the enforcement, it's the actual laws that will be enforced. The dumbasses probably thought little of it when basic human rights like drug usage were banned, and now they're shitting themselves as the government increases its enforcement ability using methods that are, in and of themselves, quite harmless.

**Axiom** · 03-18-2009, 11:39 AM

Banned hyperlinks could cost you $11,000 a day - Technology - smh.com.au

Australia secretly censors Wikileaks press release and Danish Internet censorship list, 16 Mar 2009 - Wikileaks

Jo Glanville: Enemies of free expression online are everywhere | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

**Just2Good** · 03-18-2009, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Banned hyperlinks could cost you $11,000 a day - Technology - smh.com.au

Australia secretly censors Wikileaks press release and Danish Internet censorship list, 16 Mar 2009 - Wikileaks

Jo Glanville: Enemies of free expression online are everywhere | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

I don't see the problem here?

**Axiom** · 03-18-2009, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I don't see the problem here?

why ?

**Jaydon** · 03-18-2009, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

why ?

why?

**Axiom** · 03-18-2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

why?

because it bans an anti-abortion site for one !

**Just2Good** · 03-18-2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

why ?

Because there is nothing to fear, except fear itself!

**Jaydon** · 03-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

because it bans an anti-abortion site for one !

I'd appreciate it if you were to shout now, I have found myself one shout off catching you..

Why would you ban an anti-abortion site?

**Axiom** · 03-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Because there is nothing to fear, except fear itself!

oh ok ,let the govt just censor what ever they want ,they love us , they only have our best interests at heart , just trust them , there's nothing to fear .

**Axiom** · 03-18-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

I'd appreciate it if you were to shout now, I have found myself one shout off catching you..

Why would you ban an anti-abortion site?

precisely my point !

i suggest you read the above links !

**Jaydon** · 03-18-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

oh ok ,let the govt just censor what ever they want ,they love us , they only have our best interests at heart , just trust them , there's nothing to fear .

Well, fear itself should be feared, I think that was AO's comment?

The above post sounds very unlike you......

03-08-2009, 09:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom Australian police will have power to secretly search homes Simon Benson The Daily Telegraph March 5, 2009 Police will be allowed to secretly search suspects’ homes and remotely access their home computers for a month under the most draconian covert operation laws the state has seen. And no one will know, because of a provision allowing investigators to keep those being spied on in the dark for up to three years. The laws, which give police greater power to deal with criminals than they have to use against suspected terrorists, were introduced into Parliament without warning by the Government yesterday as part of a crackdown on criminal gangs. However, they drew immediate criticism from civil libertarians, who claimed it was an invasion of personal freedom and from the NSW Opposition, who claimed they wouldn’t work. Premier Nathan Rees said NSW would be the first jurisdiction in Australia to adopt the covert search warrants, modelled on Commonwealth anti-terrorism legislation. Australian police will have power to secretly search homes Nice try Axiom, but there is still judicial oversight. The article goes on to say: The warrants will be issued through the Supreme Court and limited to investigations of suspected serious offences punishable by at least seven years jail. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

03-08-2009, 09:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Nice try Axiom, but there is still judicial oversight. The article goes on to say: Best Regards, AO and in the very next paragraph , the vital point : "NSW Police will be able to apply to the Supreme Court to delay notification of their activities for 18 months and up to three years in some exceptional circumstances." followed by : "These powers are more powerful than those available to the federal police when dealing with terrorism suspects," NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Cameron Murphy said. "These are exactly the types of laws that led to a huge police corruption problem in NSW in the past. It is going to lead to more police corruption. Why would the NSW Police need more power in dealing with ordinary criminals than the federal police does in dealing with terrorists?"

03-09-2009, 02:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Stasi Uk Police store photos of peaceful protesters on criminal database - Telegraph

03-10-2009, 12:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
Cephus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Caprica Posts: 102	Originally Posted by Axiom Police store photos of peaceful protesters on criminal database - Telegraph Well, they have to start somewhere. Information is collected and stored on plenty of suspects before they are convicted, and even on plenty of suspects that are not convicted. I'm guessing that they probably have all the info they can gather there. I don't see anything unjust with the act of merely collecting information using non-intrusive techniques, such as using cameras in public on public property, just as long as it is an activity (the video recording) that is just as legal for British citizens to perform on their own and without any special restrictions. I'm guessing it's not the case, though. Furthermore, the problem isn't the enforcement, it's the actual laws that will be enforced. The dumbasses probably thought little of it when basic human rights like drug usage were banned, and now they're shitting themselves as the government increases its enforcement ability using methods that are, in and of themselves, quite harmless.

03-18-2009, 11:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Banned hyperlinks could cost you $11,000 a day - Technology - smh.com.au Australia secretly censors Wikileaks press release and Danish Internet censorship list, 16 Mar 2009 - Wikileaks Jo Glanville: Enemies of free expression online are everywhere \| Comment is free \| guardian.co.uk Last edited by Axiom : 03-18-2009 at 12:06 PM

03-07-2009, 09:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Australian police will have power to secretly search homes Simon Benson The Daily Telegraph March 5, 2009 Police will be allowed to secretly search suspects’ homes and remotely access their home computers for a month under the most draconian covert operation laws the state has seen. And no one will know, because of a provision allowing investigators to keep those being spied on in the dark for up to three years. The laws, which give police greater power to deal with criminals than they have to use against suspected terrorists, were introduced into Parliament without warning by the Government yesterday as part of a crackdown on criminal gangs. However, they drew immediate criticism from civil libertarians, who claimed it was an invasion of personal freedom and from the NSW Opposition, who claimed they wouldn’t work. Premier Nathan Rees said NSW would be the first jurisdiction in Australia to adopt the covert search warrants, modelled on Commonwealth anti-terrorism legislation. Australian police will have power to secretly search homes

03-18-2009, 07:47 PM	#22 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom Banned hyperlinks could cost you $11,000 a day - Technology - smh.com.au Australia secretly censors Wikileaks press release and Danish Internet censorship list, 16 Mar 2009 - Wikileaks Jo Glanville: Enemies of free expression online are everywhere \| Comment is free \| guardian.co.uk I don't see the problem here? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

03-18-2009, 08:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I don't see the problem here? why ?

03-18-2009, 08:52 PM	#24 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,098 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Axiom why ? why?

03-18-2009, 08:55 PM	#25 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Jaydon why? because it bans an anti-abortion site for one !

03-18-2009, 08:55 PM	#26 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom why ? Because there is nothing to fear, except fear itself! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

03-18-2009, 08:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,098 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Axiom because it bans an anti-abortion site for one ! I'd appreciate it if you were to shout now, I have found myself one shout off catching you.. Why would you ban an anti-abortion site?

03-18-2009, 08:58 PM	#28 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Because there is nothing to fear, except fear itself! oh ok ,let the govt just censor what ever they want ,they love us , they only have our best interests at heart , just trust them , there's nothing to fear .

03-18-2009, 08:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Jaydon I'd appreciate it if you were to shout now, I have found myself one shout off catching you.. Why would you ban an anti-abortion site? precisely my point ! i suggest you read the above links !

03-18-2009, 08:59 PM	#30 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,098 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Axiom oh ok ,let the govt just censor what ever they want ,they love us , they only have our best interests at heart , just trust them , there's nothing to fear . Well, fear itself should be feared, I think that was AO's comment? The above post sounds very unlike you......

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