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**AzzX** · 02-19-2009, 11:29 PM

The Chip used in the Baja Beach club seems more of a promotional stunt more than anything as it just gives you a unique ID number when scanned. Nothing that sinister.

**Jaz** · 02-22-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by AzzX

The Chip used in the Baja Beach club seems more of a promotional stunt more than anything as it just gives you a unique ID number when scanned. Nothing that sinister.

Of course it is promotional, but promotion of what? the club or the act of microchipping? I think both. I wouldn't care if one club would be promoted over another. It bothers me how they are saying "look how people volunteered in order to get a chip, why shouldn't you?"

**AzzX** · 02-22-2009, 09:49 PM

The Chip is rather harmless and those that volunteer are probably doing it in the same way people would get a Tattoo or piercing. I just think the concept of microchipping of the levels seen in the media is just sensationalist.

**Dulce** · 02-23-2009, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jaz

Of course it is promotional, but promotion of what? the club or the act of microchipping? I think both. I wouldn't care if one club would be promoted over another. It bothers me how they are saying "look how people volunteered in order to get a chip, why shouldn't you?"

Yeah, the "plan" is to make it more and more common to recieve microchips for all sorts of reasons to make it appear more and more harmless, until eventually most of the public doesnt object to it. Same fear tactics will be used as to why it needs to be done.. fighting crime, terrorism, drugs, etc... I say plan with "" qoutes because most of the actors involved aren't even aware of it, unsuspecting particpants.

In the U.S. there is no database of fingerprints. But any interaction you have wtih the government gets fingerprinted. Military, booked by the police, govt jobs. And once that happens your in there forever. You would be suprised at the vast majority of the public are now in the database.

They already doing the same with DNA, and most of the public will have their DNA in a central database. Chips are only next on the horizon.

**Just2Good** · 02-23-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dulce

In the U.S. there is no database of fingerprints. But any interaction you have wtih the government gets fingerprinted.

I would be pretty sure that is a database, although I don't know that for certain. It wouldn't make sense for them not to have one.

**Dulce** · 02-24-2009, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I would be pretty sure that is a database, although I don't know that for certain. It wouldn't make sense for them not to have one.

What i mean is there is no coercion involved. Although some states began requiring fingerprinting in order to obtain a license, pretty much a necessity for more things than just driving. But if you see what I mean, it started out a small program of convicted felons and finally grew to contain most of the America public without our knowledge or consent. I mean, theoretically its voluntary, if you lived out in a shack out in the mountains and hunted for your food you could avoid it.

**Just2Good** · 02-24-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dulce

What i mean is there is no coercion involved. Although some states began requiring fingerprinting in order to obtain a license, pretty much a necessity for more things than just driving. But if you see what I mean, it started out a small program of convicted felons and finally grew to contain most of the America public without our knowledge or consent. I mean, theoretically its voluntary, if you lived out in a shack out in the mountains and hunted for your food you could avoid it.

So, no license unless you get finger printed? That is a control issue, not a microchipping humans issue. But I see your point, no one likes their government to have too much control over their records and information - and microchipping people might lead to that.

**Jaz** · 02-24-2009, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

no one likes their government to have too much control over their records and information - and microchipping people might lead to that.

might lead to that?

There is no room for "might" - It is already happening, the government is gaining more and more control over our daily lives by the day with new laws and technology. By the time we are all happily microchipped, there is little need to "lead" us any further, by then we are not more just slaves for them, cattle if you like - mission accomplished. I know it sounds a little dramatic, but I sincerely believe that microchipping us is not for our best interests.

**Calvin** · 02-25-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dulce

Yeah, the "plan" is to make it more and more common to recieve microchips for all sorts of reasons to make it appear more and more harmless, until eventually most of the public doesnt object to it.

You have to demonstrate these things follow, not just say it.

**Just2Good** · 02-25-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jaz

might lead to that?

There is no room for "might" - It is already happening, the government is gaining more and more control over our daily lives by the day with new laws and technology. By the time we are all happily microchipped, there is little need to "lead" us any further, by then we are not more just slaves for them, cattle if you like - mission accomplished. I know it sounds a little dramatic, but I sincerely believe that microchipping us is not for our best interests.

But if you think about it, the government already has a heck of a lot of power over their citizens. In some places, like the USA, you can even be put to death by the state. How much more power can be conferred to a government beyond that?

**Jaz** · 02-27-2009, 11:06 AM

Yeah things are quite bad in the US. They recently announced guidelines for its citizens on how to spot a terrorist. For example people who criticize the government and talk about the constitution are all potential terrorists by that document. It is so obvious what they are trying to do - they want to do bad decisions without people criticizing them, without uprisings, revolts etc.

If you could pay for your food in the stores only with the microchip, imagine what power government would have over you. Someone reports you might be a terrorist and your microchip gets turned off and you are left with no money to buy anything. You will die just because you dared to question the authority. Because of the fear, rarely anybody will. Government can pretty much do anything at that point.

**Just2Good** · 02-27-2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jaz

Yeah things are quite bad in the US. They recently announced guidelines for its citizens on how to spot a terrorist. For example people who criticize the government and talk about the constitution are all potential terrorists by that document. It is so obvious what they are trying to do - they want to do bad decisions without people criticizing them, without uprisings, revolts etc.

If you could pay for your food in the stores only with the microchip, imagine what power government would have over you. Someone reports you might be a terrorist and your microchip gets turned off and you are left with no money to buy anything. You will die just because you dared to question the authority. Because of the fear, rarely anybody will. Government can pretty much do anything at that point.

I doubt there will ever be such a thing as a completely cashless society.

**Jaz** · 02-28-2009, 06:48 AM

Cashless society by 2012, says Visa chief

Lets hope 2012 never comes

**Axiom** · 02-28-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jaz

Cashless society by 2012, says Visa chief

Lets hope 2012 never comes

and a global currency within 15 years CNBC Analyst: Global Bank, Global Currency Within 15 Years

not on much on the "news" about this topic though is there ?!
yet people like alex jones has been talking about this for 10 years ,and others ,even longer.

please if you really want real news and become truly informed , at least start here Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

**Axiom** · 03-02-2009, 10:53 PM

Government Prepares the Public for Cradle to Grave Surveillance

but

Prison sentence for taking photos in UK !

02-19-2009, 11:29 PM	#46 (permalink)
AzzX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 109	The Chip used in the Baja Beach club seems more of a promotional stunt more than anything as it just gives you a unique ID number when scanned. Nothing that sinister. __________________ azzx.org ozsource

02-22-2009, 03:31 PM	#47 (permalink)
Jaz Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by AzzX The Chip used in the Baja Beach club seems more of a promotional stunt more than anything as it just gives you a unique ID number when scanned. Nothing that sinister. Of course it is promotional, but promotion of what? the club or the act of microchipping? I think both. I wouldn't care if one club would be promoted over another. It bothers me how they are saying "look how people volunteered in order to get a chip, why shouldn't you?"

02-22-2009, 09:49 PM	#48 (permalink)
AzzX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 109	The Chip is rather harmless and those that volunteer are probably doing it in the same way people would get a Tattoo or piercing. I just think the concept of microchipping of the levels seen in the media is just sensationalist. __________________ azzx.org ozsource

02-23-2009, 01:10 PM	#49 (permalink)
Dulce Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 76	Originally Posted by Jaz Of course it is promotional, but promotion of what? the club or the act of microchipping? I think both. I wouldn't care if one club would be promoted over another. It bothers me how they are saying "look how people volunteered in order to get a chip, why shouldn't you?" Yeah, the "plan" is to make it more and more common to recieve microchips for all sorts of reasons to make it appear more and more harmless, until eventually most of the public doesnt object to it. Same fear tactics will be used as to why it needs to be done.. fighting crime, terrorism, drugs, etc... I say plan with "" qoutes because most of the actors involved aren't even aware of it, unsuspecting particpants. In the U.S. there is no database of fingerprints. But any interaction you have wtih the government gets fingerprinted. Military, booked by the police, govt jobs. And once that happens your in there forever. You would be suprised at the vast majority of the public are now in the database. They already doing the same with DNA, and most of the public will have their DNA in a central database. Chips are only next on the horizon.

02-23-2009, 02:37 PM	#50 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 4,041 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Dulce In the U.S. there is no database of fingerprints. But any interaction you have wtih the government gets fingerprinted. I would be pretty sure that is a database, although I don't know that for certain. It wouldn't make sense for them not to have one. __________________ . "Men at some time are masters of their fate. The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves..." ~ Cassius ~

02-24-2009, 07:17 AM	#51 (permalink)
Dulce Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 76	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I would be pretty sure that is a database, although I don't know that for certain. It wouldn't make sense for them not to have one. What i mean is there is no coercion involved. Although some states began requiring fingerprinting in order to obtain a license, pretty much a necessity for more things than just driving. But if you see what I mean, it started out a small program of convicted felons and finally grew to contain most of the America public without our knowledge or consent. I mean, theoretically its voluntary, if you lived out in a shack out in the mountains and hunted for your food you could avoid it.

02-24-2009, 06:28 PM	#52 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 4,041 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Dulce What i mean is there is no coercion involved. Although some states began requiring fingerprinting in order to obtain a license, pretty much a necessity for more things than just driving. But if you see what I mean, it started out a small program of convicted felons and finally grew to contain most of the America public without our knowledge or consent. I mean, theoretically its voluntary, if you lived out in a shack out in the mountains and hunted for your food you could avoid it. So, no license unless you get finger printed? That is a control issue, not a microchipping humans issue. But I see your point, no one likes their government to have too much control over their records and information - and microchipping people might lead to that. __________________ . "Men at some time are masters of their fate. The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves..." ~ Cassius ~

02-24-2009, 11:26 PM	#53 (permalink)
Jaz Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One no one likes their government to have too much control over their records and information - and microchipping people might lead to that. might lead to that? There is no room for "might" - It is already happening, the government is gaining more and more control over our daily lives by the day with new laws and technology. By the time we are all happily microchipped, there is little need to "lead" us any further, by then we are not more just slaves for them, cattle if you like - mission accomplished. I know it sounds a little dramatic, but I sincerely believe that microchipping us is not for our best interests.

02-25-2009, 12:37 PM	#54 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 209	Originally Posted by Dulce Yeah, the "plan" is to make it more and more common to recieve microchips for all sorts of reasons to make it appear more and more harmless, until eventually most of the public doesnt object to it. You have to demonstrate these things follow, not just say it.

02-25-2009, 04:47 PM	#55 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 4,041 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Jaz might lead to that? There is no room for "might" - It is already happening, the government is gaining more and more control over our daily lives by the day with new laws and technology. By the time we are all happily microchipped, there is little need to "lead" us any further, by then we are not more just slaves for them, cattle if you like - mission accomplished. I know it sounds a little dramatic, but I sincerely believe that microchipping us is not for our best interests. But if you think about it, the government already has a heck of a lot of power over their citizens. In some places, like the USA, you can even be put to death by the state. How much more power can be conferred to a government beyond that? __________________ . "Men at some time are masters of their fate. The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves..." ~ Cassius ~

02-27-2009, 11:06 AM	#56 (permalink)
Jaz Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 87	Yeah things are quite bad in the US. They recently announced guidelines for its citizens on how to spot a terrorist. For example people who criticize the government and talk about the constitution are all potential terrorists by that document. It is so obvious what they are trying to do - they want to do bad decisions without people criticizing them, without uprisings, revolts etc. If you could pay for your food in the stores only with the microchip, imagine what power government would have over you. Someone reports you might be a terrorist and your microchip gets turned off and you are left with no money to buy anything. You will die just because you dared to question the authority. Because of the fear, rarely anybody will. Government can pretty much do anything at that point.

02-27-2009, 12:55 PM	#57 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 4,041 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Jaz Yeah things are quite bad in the US. They recently announced guidelines for its citizens on how to spot a terrorist. For example people who criticize the government and talk about the constitution are all potential terrorists by that document. It is so obvious what they are trying to do - they want to do bad decisions without people criticizing them, without uprisings, revolts etc. If you could pay for your food in the stores only with the microchip, imagine what power government would have over you. Someone reports you might be a terrorist and your microchip gets turned off and you are left with no money to buy anything. You will die just because you dared to question the authority. Because of the fear, rarely anybody will. Government can pretty much do anything at that point. I doubt there will ever be such a thing as a completely cashless society. __________________ . "Men at some time are masters of their fate. The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves..." ~ Cassius ~

02-28-2009, 06:48 AM	#58 (permalink)
Jaz Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 87	Cashless society by 2012, says Visa chief Lets hope 2012 never comes

02-28-2009, 06:40 PM	#59 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Originally Posted by Jaz Cashless society by 2012, says Visa chief Lets hope 2012 never comes and a global currency within 15 years CNBC Analyst: Global Bank, Global Currency Within 15 Years not on much on the "news" about this topic though is there ?! yet people like alex jones has been talking about this for 10 years ,and others ,even longer. please if you really want real news and become truly informed , at least start here Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

03-02-2009, 10:53 PM	#60 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,871	Government Prepares the Public for Cradle to Grave Surveillance but Prison sentence for taking photos in UK !

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