2007 AGM for Chess Victoria - OzChess

**MOZ** · 01-15-2009, 06:43 PM

I have some sympathy for Kevin Botham in that he cannot post on OzChess as he has incurred the displeasure of the Moderator.
His alternative place to post is usually chesschat, and most recently this long post

The reality of the record needs to be corrected.

Bill Gletsos posted this inaccuracy

I was not an elected member of the Executive for 2007 and thus had no responsibility for managing the date of AGM.

Bill's incorrect assertion is an attack on my reputation as a chess administrator. It is entirely appropriate for AO to admonish Bill for the unfactual slur.

If Bill apologies for his error then I will lobby AO to move Bill to a more usual USER Group.

When Bill has presented his apology it would then be appropriate for Kevin to amend his post. There is no problem with asking when CV will hold its AGM. But there is a lack of clear thinking in expecting non-Executive members to be managing AGM dates. Bill's assertion is about as silly as expecting the State Rating Officer to be managing the AGM date.

**MOZ** · 01-15-2009, 07:49 PM

^

Thanks for the reminder AO.

Nevertheless, this episode has all the hallmarks of the previous hounding about my supposed obligation to carry out clean-up of some posts here. It took the two of them months to admit that they had misjudged my responsibilities from a User-group-tag here.
And now the pair are similarly misjudging my non-role in the elected CV Executive for 2007.
It has turned out relevant for you to have moved KB to the non-special user group while I wait till they simply admit to error.

**MOZ** · 01-15-2009, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by BG

Well no doubt MOZ is hanging around here

AO is a bit more lenient here Bill. "Take a long walk off a short pier" will not earn a suspension.
So, with tolerance I will read your 'hanging' non-literally.

Originally Posted by BG

MOZ you claim that "I was not an elected member of the Executive for 2007"

Correct.
I was not an elected member of the Executive.
If you read Malcolm's post on chesschat (and subsequent posts by me on another bb) you will see that I had handed my nomination to the Chairman (Geoff Keenan), but withdrew it when it became clear the Unity ticket would be unopposed. I was not elected to the position because I was not a nominee at the declaration point. I explained to the meeting that the rental arrangement put me in a position of conflict of interest. <I was not a member of the Unity ticket at any stage>.

Originally Posted by BG

The CV President in his Presidents report at the 2007 AGM notes that "THE UNITY TEAM that was elected at the last general meeting came apart almost immediately with the non participation of Elliott and Chris and the conflict of interest resignation of the treasurer".

If you relied on your interpretation of this then you should have checked the accuracy of your interpretation before making slurs.

Originally Posted by BG

clearly from this you were elected as an executive member of the Executive even if you subsequently resigned

And even more clearly, if you were about to embark on a slur then you should have checked all possible sources. You could have PMd me. Or, you could have sought the formal minutes of meeting to see who was elected what.

In summary, I did not resign because I did not nominate at the appointed time.

ps (Late edit). Bill has now withdrawn the slur and posted a new version.

I say thank you for removing the slur Bill.

**Just2Good** · 01-15-2009, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Bill has now withdrawn the slur and posted a new version.

Good observation MOZ! Yes, I agree, Bill is in full back peddling mode!

**MOZ** · 01-15-2009, 09:43 PM

Hard to explain why he is in attack mode.
I do note the temperature has exceeded 40 degrees for 2 days in a row in Sydney.

**MOZ** · 01-15-2009, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by BG

then no doubt you will be requesting a change to the minutes of the 2007 AGM at the upcoming 2008 AGM being held in February 2009.

It has not been high on my agenda Bill because I didn't think the President's report was part of the minutes of meeting.

This is my last post on this topic.

**Firegoat7** · 01-16-2009, 11:50 AM

As usual the Northern clique start there headkicking. The latest goon to wade into the debate is.................

Originally Posted by DenistheMenace

Gerry

You could at least have said who you were talking about even though you prefer to hide behind a pseudonym. You seem to forget that CV is an affiliate of the ACF and thus has certain responsibilities that not only affect the ACF but can lead to disaffiliiation of the State Association concerned. Let's see what your paranoia makes of that

Ridiculous! The menace begins by lambasting GH (presumably) on the site for posting under a pseudonym. I am sorry Menace , but having an "anonymous pseudonym" does not appear to be a a capital offense on the swamp. Maybe you should petition your overzealous officials (sic). And even if psudonyms were illegal (they are not) , HOW EXACTLY IS THE PSEUDONYM ANONYMOUS IF YOU KNOW THE POSTERS IDENTITY. (mental note for Denis-Please put brain in gear before driving)

Diddums by the way for the argument that the ACF is affected. The ACF's institutional ineptitude has affected Australian chess for the last twenty years!

Here is your track record......

The ACF continues to extort tax on every Victorian chessplayer without putting ANYTHING back into Victorian chess. It continues to assume virtually no economic responsibility for holding major events. It continues to make no attempt to organise a National tournament chess circuit. It continues to be ineffectual in courting Federal funding for National and State chess. It continues to privatise all responsilbility for any chess activity to independent chess companies and clubs. It continues to waste its limited manpower on micro managing selection committees in preference to an active tournament selection process, (which really just reinforces the extent of egotistical sublimation that these incompetent hacks want to have over any talented chess player)

Of course, time for ACF Officials and ex-party stooges is better utilised on the officially "unofficial" bulletin board attacking one of the more esteemed statesman of Victorian chess, who actually has a measurable and qualified track record for achieving results. That said, whilst I am only guessing that Gerrit would presumably not want CV disaffiliated from the ACF, my personal opinion is BRING IT ON. VICTORIAN CHESS would be better served removed from its disfunctional parent.

Here we have a new inexperienced Victorian CV executive, (who in my opinion have attempted to improve Victorian chess) being publically harangued by the ACF and threatened with the big stick because of a"mutual responsibility clause". The real tragedy,of course, is that the ACF is an irresponsible parent organisation, which is in itself a useful way of pointing out a simple analogy.

When parents don't foster a positive relationship with their children, often their own flesh and blood forget about them in their old age. Which is a useful analogy for my point. If "ACF officals and elder statesmen" were really concerned about Victorian chess (even for self interested legalistic motives) they would be on the phone talking too Katrina or Leonid about HOW THEY COULD HELP CHESSVICTORIA. Have you ever heard of the word MENTOR you sad old belligerent goons?

cheers Fg7

**Just2Good** · 01-16-2009, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

HOW EXACTLY IS THE PSEUDONYM ANONYMOUS IF YOU KNOW THE POSTERS IDENTITY?. (mental note for Denis-Please put brain in gear before driving)

Good point Firegoat7! I look forward to Grandpa's response.

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Here is your track record......

The ACF continues to extort tax on every Victorian chessplayer without putting ANYTHING back into Victorian chess.

Don't forget about the money the ACF squeezed out of Libby personally costing her in the ballpark of $2000.

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

... time for ACF Officials ... is better utilised on the officially "unofficial" bulletin board attacking one of the more esteemed statesman of Victorian chess,

Please don't overlook the time spent having the ACF register domains to protect the Chess Chat brand. Despite the efforts of Shaun Press in raising this issue on his blog, no satisfactory answer has been forthcoming regarding where the funds for all these domain registrations came from.

**Firegoat7** · 01-18-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I look forward to Grandpa's response.

Well in that case, have you seen his latest offering?

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat

Oh dear! My post #29 made clear that it was there to tempt your paranoia and, boy did it ever. The only person who needs to calm down is you.

However, while we are on line, let me correct a total misapprehension (?paranoia) on your part about my reference last year to Victorian chess and Afghanistan (as distinct fom Mexico - see post #44 above). You wrongly assumed that I had cast the CV Executive as warlords. In fact the exact opposite was the case. You, as the the CV President, were the urbane Harmid Khazi, minus the shawls though, ostensibly head of the whole of Afghanistan/Victoria but actually in control only of Kabul/3 Rochester Road. The feuding warlords struggling for control of Afhanistan/Victoria were the varous clubs and coaches including a resurgent Taliban headed by General Rashid Kordovah. I hope that makes the situation clear

Talk about confusing!
Is he talking about 2007/2008 or 2009? Is he implying Robert Jamieson is a member of the Taliban? Where does that leave Kevin Bonham? Is he a known sympathiser?
I'm sure your positive little contibution made the situation very clear for everybody (sarcasm intended)

Muck em

Fg7

**Just2Good** · 01-18-2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Well in that case, have you seen his latest offering?

I missed it actually - don't tend to visit the swamp very often.

Is he talking about 2007/2008 or 2009? Is he implying Robert Jamieson is a member of the Taliban? Where does that leave Kevin Bonham? Is he a known sympathiser?

Who knows? I have heard at that age sometimes your faculties start to go. Its pretty sad when it happens, but so far doctors have not found a way to halt the effects of advanced aging.

**Blazer707** · 01-18-2009, 09:26 PM

What is the average number of people who attend the CV agm? I guess no more than 10.

**Firegoat7** · 01-24-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat

My reference to DC was the subject of a very weird post by FG7 in another place which, as far as it was intelligible at all, was totally off the beam. My post had nothing to do with Tasmania as any sensible person would have known.

Let me just start by suggesting that it was not I, who brought up the subject of David Cordover in relation to ChessVictoria. That loose association was suggested by Denis Jessop, who appears to know very little about the Victorian chess scene.

Cordovers company contributes nothing to Victorian chess. It runs no adult tournaments and pays no rating fees to ChessVictoria or the ACF. It does not control Victorian chess because it has nothing to do with it. The public record shows that Cordovers company employs IM Robert Jamieson and that it has also payed Kevin Bonham for services rendered.

Meanwhile, if yu want to become better informed Denis, before passing comment on the organisation ChessVictoria, why don't you try ringing IM Leonid Sandler, Katrin Wills, or even Kerry Lyall. Here are the contact details CV office bearers

Get on the phone and give them a call Denis. Clarify for yourself, what it is that worries you about their current predicament. Who knows they may appreciate your free legal advice.

cheers,

**Hordac** · 01-25-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Cordovers company contributes nothing to Victorian chess.

This requires more explanation and even if it is true I think many players don't contribute to chess they just show up to play. But there is no requirement to contribute anything so it wouldn't be fair to single this chap out.

**Firegoat7** · 01-27-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Hordac

This requires more explanation and even if it is true I think many players don't contribute to chess they just show up to play. But there is no requirement to contribute anything so it wouldn't be fair to single this chap out.

More explanation? Ok. Denis Jessop included David Cordover in the conversation. Why? I don't know. Denis seems to believe that David Cordover has some sort of active control over Victorian chess. This is a false belief.

And to qualify my statement. Every adult and junior chessplayer in Victoria, who either played in a state association or affiliated club event contributed economically, culturally and morally to Victorian chess, and thus Australian chess. The current ChessVictoria administration deserves most of the credit for improving the state chess scene.

However, its clearly false to suggest that Cordovers company is causing Victorian chess to thrive. Everybody in Victoria knows it contributes nothing economically to the established state association and supports no affiliated club. Culturally speaking it has no connection with Victorian chess. I am willing to bet the ACF never received one cent from any of Cordovers chess events. I ask people to consider-How many Victorian chess events did Cordovers private company have ACF rated in 2008?

**Firegoat7** · 01-27-2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat

I see that FG7 has responded in another place to this post with an outstanding example of non-comprehension plus the strongest of reasons why Victorian chess administration can do without the likes of him.

Geez A bit harsh Denis. I have tried to be polite to you in this thread to you. I have attempted to explain in dialogue why your view is misguided. You are welcolme to post here, hopefully in a more civil tone then what you produce on Chesschat.

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat

He claims that David Codover has nothing to do with Victorian chess, thus exposing a fundamental flaw in his approach to chess - for him junior chess is not "Victorian chess".

I am absolutely certain that I never said "..junior chess is not "Victorian chess"". I did say David Cordover has nothing to do with Victorian chess. Can you show me any Victorian chess tournaments rated by the ACF for 2008?

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat

I do not expect that there are very many other Victorians who believe that junior chess is of no significance, least of all Kerry Lyall who, he suggests, I should consult. He obviously is totally unaware that I have spoken to Kerry several times in recent years on this very matter and other matters concerning junior chess.

Denis you are really not being fair. I never ever said anything like "...junior chess is of no significance". Please be honest with yourself and withdraw your comment.

Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat

I promise that this is the last I'll have to say about FG7 as he is becoming more inane post by post and the next will no doubt be worse than worthless.

I am glad to hear that you won't be passing any more personal comments about me. I will forgive you this time for being so rude to me, but please don't make it a habit in the future.

cheers,

01-15-2009, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	2007 AGM for Chess Victoria I have some sympathy for Kevin Botham in that he cannot post on OzChess as he has incurred the displeasure of the Moderator. His alternative place to post is usually chesschat, and most recently this long post The reality of the record needs to be corrected. Bill Gletsos posted this inaccuracy I was not an elected member of the Executive for 2007 and thus had no responsibility for managing the date of AGM. Bill's incorrect assertion is an attack on my reputation as a chess administrator. It is entirely appropriate for AO to admonish Bill for the unfactual slur. If Bill apologies for his error then I will lobby AO to move Bill to a more usual USER Group. When Bill has presented his apology it would then be appropriate for Kevin to amend his post. There is no problem with asking when CV will hold its AGM. But there is a lack of clear thinking in expecting non-Executive members to be managing AGM dates. Bill's assertion is about as silly as expecting the State Rating Officer to be managing the AGM date. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

01-15-2009, 07:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	^ Thanks for the reminder AO. Nevertheless, this episode has all the hallmarks of the previous hounding about my supposed obligation to carry out clean-up of some posts here. It took the two of them months to admit that they had misjudged my responsibilities from a User-group-tag here. And now the pair are similarly misjudging my non-role in the elected CV Executive for 2007. It has turned out relevant for you to have moved KB to the non-special user group while I wait till they simply admit to error. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

01-15-2009, 08:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	from Bill in the shoutbox Originally Posted by BG Well no doubt MOZ is hanging around here AO is a bit more lenient here Bill. "Take a long walk off a short pier" will not earn a suspension. So, with tolerance I will read your 'hanging' non-literally. Originally Posted by BG MOZ you claim that "I was not an elected member of the Executive for 2007" Correct. I was not an elected member of the Executive. If you read Malcolm's post on chesschat (and subsequent posts by me on another bb) you will see that I had handed my nomination to the Chairman (Geoff Keenan), but withdrew it when it became clear the Unity ticket would be unopposed. I was not elected to the position because I was not a nominee at the declaration point. I explained to the meeting that the rental arrangement put me in a position of conflict of interest. <I was not a member of the Unity ticket at any stage>. Originally Posted by BG The CV President in his Presidents report at the 2007 AGM notes that "THE UNITY TEAM that was elected at the last general meeting came apart almost immediately with the non participation of Elliott and Chris and the conflict of interest resignation of the treasurer". If you relied on your interpretation of this then you should have checked the accuracy of your interpretation before making slurs. Originally Posted by BG clearly from this you were elected as an executive member of the Executive even if you subsequently resigned And even more clearly, if you were about to embark on a slur then you should have checked all possible sources. You could have PMd me. Or, you could have sought the formal minutes of meeting to see who was elected what. In summary, I did not resign because I did not nominate at the appointed time. ps (Late edit). Bill has now withdrawn the slur and posted a new version. I say thank you for removing the slur Bill. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game. Last edited by MOZ : 01-15-2009 at 09:09 PM

01-15-2009, 09:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Backpeddling Bill Originally Posted by MOZ Bill has now withdrawn the slur and posted a new version. Good observation MOZ! Yes, I agree, Bill is in full back peddling mode! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-15-2009, 09:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Hard to explain why he is in attack mode. I do note the temperature has exceeded 40 degrees for 2 days in a row in Sydney. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

01-15-2009, 09:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	more Bill Originally Posted by BG then no doubt you will be requesting a change to the minutes of the 2007 AGM at the upcoming 2008 AGM being held in February 2009. It has not been high on my agenda Bill because I didn't think the President's report was part of the minutes of meeting. This is my last post on this topic. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game. Last edited by Just2Good : 01-16-2009 at 06:36 PM Reason: Fixed Smiley

01-16-2009, 11:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	the attack dogs are barking As usual the Northern clique start there headkicking. The latest goon to wade into the debate is................. Originally Posted by DenistheMenace Gerry You could at least have said who you were talking about even though you prefer to hide behind a pseudonym. You seem to forget that CV is an affiliate of the ACF and thus has certain responsibilities that not only affect the ACF but can lead to disaffiliiation of the State Association concerned. Let's see what your paranoia makes of that Ridiculous! The menace begins by lambasting GH (presumably) on the site for posting under a pseudonym. I am sorry Menace , but having an "anonymous pseudonym" does not appear to be a a capital offense on the swamp. Maybe you should petition your overzealous officials (sic). And even if psudonyms were illegal (they are not) , HOW EXACTLY IS THE PSEUDONYM ANONYMOUS IF YOU KNOW THE POSTERS IDENTITY. (mental note for Denis-Please put brain in gear before driving) Diddums by the way for the argument that the ACF is affected. The ACF's institutional ineptitude has affected Australian chess for the last twenty years! Here is your track record...... The ACF continues to extort tax on every Victorian chessplayer without putting ANYTHING back into Victorian chess. It continues to assume virtually no economic responsibility for holding major events. It continues to make no attempt to organise a National tournament chess circuit. It continues to be ineffectual in courting Federal funding for National and State chess. It continues to privatise all responsilbility for any chess activity to independent chess companies and clubs. It continues to waste its limited manpower on micro managing selection committees in preference to an active tournament selection process, (which really just reinforces the extent of egotistical sublimation that these incompetent hacks want to have over any talented chess player) Of course, time for ACF Officials and ex-party stooges is better utilised on the officially "unofficial" bulletin board attacking one of the more esteemed statesman of Victorian chess, who actually has a measurable and qualified track record for achieving results. That said, whilst I am only guessing that Gerrit would presumably not want CV disaffiliated from the ACF, my personal opinion is BRING IT ON. VICTORIAN CHESS would be better served removed from its disfunctional parent. Here we have a new inexperienced Victorian CV executive, (who in my opinion have attempted to improve Victorian chess) being publically harangued by the ACF and threatened with the big stick because of a"mutual responsibility clause". The real tragedy,of course, is that the ACF is an irresponsible parent organisation, which is in itself a useful way of pointing out a simple analogy. When parents don't foster a positive relationship with their children, often their own flesh and blood forget about them in their old age. Which is a useful analogy for my point. If "ACF officals and elder statesmen" were really concerned about Victorian chess (even for self interested legalistic motives) they would be on the phone talking too Katrina or Leonid about HOW THEY COULD HELP CHESSVICTORIA. Have you ever heard of the word MENTOR you sad old belligerent goons? cheers Fg7 __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-16-2009, 06:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Grandpapa's Posting Originally Posted by Firegoat7 HOW EXACTLY IS THE PSEUDONYM ANONYMOUS IF YOU KNOW THE POSTERS IDENTITY?. (mental note for Denis-Please put brain in gear before driving) Good point Firegoat7! I look forward to Grandpa's response. Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Here is your track record...... The ACF continues to extort tax on every Victorian chessplayer without putting ANYTHING back into Victorian chess. Don't forget about the money the ACF squeezed out of Libby personally costing her in the ballpark of $2000. Originally Posted by Firegoat7 ... time for ACF Officials ... is better utilised on the officially "unofficial" bulletin board attacking one of the more esteemed statesman of Victorian chess, Please don't overlook the time spent having the ACF register domains to protect the Chess Chat brand. Despite the efforts of Shaun Press in raising this issue on his blog, no satisfactory answer has been forthcoming regarding where the funds for all these domain registrations came from. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-18-2009, 03:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I look forward to Grandpa's response. Well in that case, have you seen his latest offering? Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat Oh dear! My post #29 made clear that it was there to tempt your paranoia and, boy did it ever. The only person who needs to calm down is you. However, while we are on line, let me correct a total misapprehension (?paranoia) on your part about my reference last year to Victorian chess and Afghanistan (as distinct fom Mexico - see post #44 above). You wrongly assumed that I had cast the CV Executive as warlords. In fact the exact opposite was the case. You, as the the CV President, were the urbane Harmid Khazi, minus the shawls though, ostensibly head of the whole of Afghanistan/Victoria but actually in control only of Kabul/3 Rochester Road. The feuding warlords struggling for control of Afhanistan/Victoria were the varous clubs and coaches including a resurgent Taliban headed by General Rashid Kordovah. I hope that makes the situation clear Talk about confusing! Is he talking about 2007/2008 or 2009? Is he implying Robert Jamieson is a member of the Taliban? Where does that leave Kevin Bonham? Is he a known sympathiser? I'm sure your positive little contibution made the situation very clear for everybody (sarcasm intended) Muck em Fg7 __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-18-2009, 04:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Grandpapa's Confusion Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Well in that case, have you seen his latest offering? I missed it actually - don't tend to visit the swamp very often. Is he talking about 2007/2008 or 2009? Is he implying Robert Jamieson is a member of the Taliban? Where does that leave Kevin Bonham? Is he a known sympathiser? Who knows? I have heard at that age sometimes your faculties start to go. Its pretty sad when it happens, but so far doctors have not found a way to halt the effects of advanced aging. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-18-2009, 09:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blazer707 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW Posts: 15 ICC Handle: Despair	What is the average number of people who attend the CV agm? I guess no more than 10.

01-24-2009, 09:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Denis continues to wallow Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat My reference to DC was the subject of a very weird post by FG7 in another place which, as far as it was intelligible at all, was totally off the beam. My post had nothing to do with Tasmania as any sensible person would have known. Let me just start by suggesting that it was not I, who brought up the subject of David Cordover in relation to ChessVictoria. That loose association was suggested by Denis Jessop, who appears to know very little about the Victorian chess scene. Cordovers company contributes nothing to Victorian chess. It runs no adult tournaments and pays no rating fees to ChessVictoria or the ACF. It does not control Victorian chess because it has nothing to do with it. The public record shows that Cordovers company employs IM Robert Jamieson and that it has also payed Kevin Bonham for services rendered. Meanwhile, if yu want to become better informed Denis, before passing comment on the organisation ChessVictoria, why don't you try ringing IM Leonid Sandler, Katrin Wills, or even Kerry Lyall. Here are the contact details CV office bearers Get on the phone and give them a call Denis. Clarify for yourself, what it is that worries you about their current predicament. Who knows they may appreciate your free legal advice. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-25-2009, 07:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hordac Down at the Pub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Cordovers company contributes nothing to Victorian chess. This requires more explanation and even if it is true I think many players don't contribute to chess they just show up to play. But there is no requirement to contribute anything so it wouldn't be fair to single this chap out.

01-27-2009, 12:41 AM	#14 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Hordac This requires more explanation and even if it is true I think many players don't contribute to chess they just show up to play. But there is no requirement to contribute anything so it wouldn't be fair to single this chap out. More explanation? Ok. Denis Jessop included David Cordover in the conversation. Why? I don't know. Denis seems to believe that David Cordover has some sort of active control over Victorian chess. This is a false belief. And to qualify my statement. Every adult and junior chessplayer in Victoria, who either played in a state association or affiliated club event contributed economically, culturally and morally to Victorian chess, and thus Australian chess. The current ChessVictoria administration deserves most of the credit for improving the state chess scene. However, its clearly false to suggest that Cordovers company is causing Victorian chess to thrive. Everybody in Victoria knows it contributes nothing economically to the established state association and supports no affiliated club. Culturally speaking it has no connection with Victorian chess. I am willing to bet the ACF never received one cent from any of Cordovers chess events. I ask people to consider-How many Victorian chess events did Cordovers private company have ACF rated in 2008? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-27-2009, 12:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Denis Jessop continues.... Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat I see that FG7 has responded in another place to this post with an outstanding example of non-comprehension plus the strongest of reasons why Victorian chess administration can do without the likes of him. Geez A bit harsh Denis. I have tried to be polite to you in this thread to you. I have attempted to explain in dialogue why your view is misguided. You are welcolme to post here, hopefully in a more civil tone then what you produce on Chesschat. Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat He claims that David Codover has nothing to do with Victorian chess, thus exposing a fundamental flaw in his approach to chess - for him junior chess is not "Victorian chess". I am absolutely certain that I never said "..junior chess is not "Victorian chess"". I did say David Cordover has nothing to do with Victorian chess. Can you show me any Victorian chess tournaments rated by the ACF for 2008? Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat I do not expect that there are very many other Victorians who believe that junior chess is of no significance, least of all Kerry Lyall who, he suggests, I should consult. He obviously is totally unaware that I have spoken to Kerry several times in recent years on this very matter and other matters concerning junior chess. Denis you are really not being fair. I never ever said anything like "...junior chess is of no significance". Please be honest with yourself and withdraw your comment. Originally Posted by Denis Jessop on Chesschat I promise that this is the last I'll have to say about FG7 as he is becoming more inane post by post and the next will no doubt be worse than worthless. I am glad to hear that you won't be passing any more personal comments about me. I will forgive you this time for being so rude to me, but please don't make it a habit in the future. cheers, __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

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