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oh of course , its just that in all your posts thus far you have failed to present a scintilla of evidence to support that claim .Whereas i have provided 1000s of posts(over 5 yrs) of evidence undermining the "official" theory.
So do some reading , pick a post , get specific , then challenge me .

incoherent , please re-submit

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Just2Good

Axiom,

The bottomline is that if Chomsky says the 9/11 conspiracies are bogus hogwash - then they are.

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Axiom

haha , yeah ..nice one .

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The thing is, I already have as I am suggesting the UBL videos and other government evidence are sufficient. You just throw them aside and opt to jump to conclusions with sound bites or out-of-context dialog that only use logical fallacies in order to try to prove something.

I am saying that the reason you throw aside that UBL was behind it is because you find some low level employee who thinks so or you take the words of government officials and "sound bite" them to try to prove a point. Using those methods, you can poke holes into anything, including whatever you believe in with regard to 9/11. What makes you think that you aren't wrong either?

Axiom

ubl videos are widely known proven fakes (unless there's 3 ubls !) and please enlighten us more on this "other govt evidence" lol

oh you mean like the following i've provided : fbi's no evidence on ubl, NIST 's own serious doubts and the fake videos ?? !

We still await your evidence that compels us to believe that cave directed boxcutters acted alone without the aid of insiders or allowed with foreknowledge or indeed orchestrated by other parties .

any person with half an unbrainwashed brain can see the official story is full of holes !
What is stopping you ?
I suggest you broaden your reading on the subject instead of relying on the un,ill,dis,mis and mal - informing mainstream media for your information .

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Hayek

Axiom, you can't say the videos are fake just because you think so. You have no proof of that. Furthermore, look at motive, means, etc.- it is all there.

The FBI not having evidence on it does not mean that your conspiracy theory is real either. Furthermore, there are other agencies such as the CIA, DOD, etc.- why do you trust the FBI so much and don't trust those? Is it just because you like the FBI's version better, so you have decided to go with it here?

As for the NIST, I you took sound bites to say they didn't believe it. That isn't how you prove things.

Axiom

Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse ?
There is mountains of hard core scientific visual/video proof that the videos are faked . It is just that you seemingly point blank refuse to use your google search engine .

It is mind numbingly common for the brainwashed serf sheeple to be astoundingly confident in their indoctrinated govt/media position despite rarely reading a skerrick of the opposing evidence .
This is just another reason why i believe fully in the "brainwashed" hypothesis explaining this behaviour .

I now definitely conclude that you have serious comprehension issues . (refer : My Position....again !)

Why do you trust intelligence or defence agencies with their obvious political agendas and not the crime fighting agency, which focuses more on the actual facts and evidence of the crime itself ?
Where are these facts and evidence from the cia or dod ??
It is when they are not sound bites , but complete unambiguous full sentences and paragraphs .
I'm emphatically proving to you that there is more than enough evidence that the official story does not bear rationale scrutiny . And it would appear, in this regard , that i am in excellent company . Are These 9/11 Whistleblowers Credible?

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Hayek

Axiom, you don't have complete proof that they are fake. You just have the same thing you always have- guesses. If you did have 100% proof, NO ONE would believe the whole UBL thing or at least question it more. And before you say that's another media conspiracy or whatever, just remember what happened during other scandals such as Watergate and more recently, the whole WMD thing (which is actually very similar to this.) The proof clearly isn't there.

And it is mind numbingly common that conspiracy theorists do not understand the thought process and how academia works.

Why is it a comprehension issue if I call your position a conspiracy theory? Last I checked, you believe that the UBL thing was made up by the government (or at the very least that they are hiding some greater truth from the public)- that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Well the evidence I give such as the motive and the videos, you just brush aside, so I'm not going to go down that circle again. I don't know why you trust Alex Jones and his political/financial agenda either though.

Why do you not realize that I have accepted the idea that the government has not released every detail for whatever reason? That does not mean the main idea isn't still logical and holds truth. Besides, if you want to talk about company I will give you a list of academics [who believe the official story is mostly right] that your "good company" can only wish to even work under.

Axiom

The Global Political Awakening and the New World Order

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Axiom

Why the fear ?

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WikiLeaks – What Leaks?



Redacted News
July 28, 2010



Julian Assange’s recent comment in the Belfast Telegraph about 9/11, however, may be a more tangible source of concern for me. I know Assange isn’t an idiot, so I see three other possibilities:

1. He is profoundly ignorant of the vast body of material that demonstrates that the 9/11 spectacle was a false flag operation.

2. He’s “picking his battles” and not wanting to have to deal with the inevitable conspiracy theory stigma that could threaten his media access

3. He’s running a limited hangout/honeypot

Of these three options, I doubt that it’s number two.

We just saw the WikiLeaks release of the Afghanistan information. Does Assange forget the pretext that was used for the invasion? 9/11 remains the elephant in the room.

Read the article here:

cryptogon.com » WikiLeaks Founder, “Constantly Annoyed that People Are Distracted by False Conspiracies Such as 9/11″

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“All this ‘whistleblowing’ does little other than serve the interests of the US possibly expanding their war… We know that the powers-that-be are determined to control both sides of every argument. They lead the opposition against themselves. That’s why “Stop The War” will not even MENTION 9/11 Truth and exclude from the ranks of their leadership anyone who wants to raise reasonable questions about the events of 9/11… Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is ‘annoyed’ by 9/11 truth. That there IN ITSELF makes him, to any sensible person, a placeman of the security services.”

by Kevin Boyle

So Wikileaks has exposed the truth about the Afghan/Pakistan war? 91,000 leaked documents expose the fact that war is a nasty, two-faced, dishonorable business with even (shock horror) covert operations set up to assassinate leaders of the enemy.

What is getting most attention, however, is the allegation that the ISI (the Pakistani Secret Service) is secretly backing the Taliban and other documents demanding that the Pakistani government turn decisively against the militants, creating a justification for US operations inside Pakistan and a possible pretext for full-on invasion of the country.

A few months ago we were reading that the US were funding the Taliban. There are many other stories of this kind from people like Webster Tarpley and Wayne Madsen.

WHISTLEBLOWING?

All this ‘whistleblowing’ does little other than serve the interests of the US possibly expanding their war. No establishment figure is seriously compromised by these ‘leaks’, nor is policy undermined in any new way. The war is wicked? The people who care already know that and this ‘new’ information makes little difference to that perception one way or the other.

Why do the ‘leaks’ contain no embarrassing whistleblowing. Why is there no exposition of the betrayal felt by many soldiers and their officers who know the war(s) have got nothing to do with protecting America or the UK (….I have spoken to one British army officer who is acutely aware of the betrayal of his troops and of wider British interests and is waiting for [and working towards] the same revolution as myself. Meeting this man was the most encouraging moment of the last six months for me).

Wikileaks made its name with this footage.

Again, innocent people get murdered by coalition troops. Evil…embarrassing….but tell us something we didn’t know.

We know that the powers-that-be are determined to control both sides of every argument. They lead the opposition against themselves. That’s why “Stop The War” will not even MENTION 9/11 Truth and exclude from the ranks of their leadership anyone who wants to raise reasonable questions about the events of 9/11.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is ‘annoyed’ by 9/11 truth. That there IN ITSELF makes him, to any sensible person, a placeman of the security services.

This, like the StopTheWar position, is called a ‘limited hangout’. There is no end of this kind of maneuvering out there as in, for example, Chomsky’s indefatigable support of Israel (“America” is the problem, not the international bankers who own it nor the Jewish Lobby who control it…..criticism most definitely never goes THERE. These are simply NOT issues).

LIMITED HANGOUT

‘Limited hangout’ is making a pretense at protest in order to disable genuine protest.

IT IS USING TRUTH TO SERVE LIES.

It is the Hegelian dialectic in action.

Many good people are led down futile paths when they trust and follow these people.

Even the name for the operation, ‘Wikileaks’, tells a story.

Here we see one CIA/Mossad operation supporting another. We are supposed to see ‘Wiki’ and think ‘truth’ as in that honourable internet encyclopedia ‘Wikipedia’(……whose ‘Mossad’ entry, by the way, does NOT include their famous motto, “By way of deception thou shalt make war”). There is a lifetimes work for somebody exposing the spinning and obfuscation in support of establishment narratives on this lousy site.

For a more detailed look at the ‘Wikileaks’ operation see here.

LATE NEWS

Uh-O. Lookee here….Wikileaks ‘reveal’ that Bin Laden was being tracked through Pakistan:

“In August 2006, a US intelligence report placed Bin Laden at a meeting in Quetta, over the border in Pakistan. It said he and others – including the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar – were organising suicide attacks in Afghanistan.”

So there it is. That evil fiend, Bin Laden, is not dead (as most people who follow the information believe). He is alive and well and organising Al Qaeda, or is it the Taliban, to carry out suicide bombings against our boys in Afghanistan.

Well, now we know.

Don’t we?

LINKS : WikiLeaks – What Leaks?

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9/11 Truth Billboard in San Luis Obispo, CA


MEDIA FAIL: C - SPAN Tries And Fails To Cover The Facts Of 9/11


August 9, 2010

Michael Sheehan, former Deputy Commissioner for Counter Terrorism NYPD, attempted to bat down a series of questions about 9/11 truth, the Oklahoma City Bombing and even the JFK assassinations. Despite the fact that 6 of 10 commissioners in the 9/11 investigation questioned its processes and conclusions, Sheehan claims that the investigation commissioners were generally satisfied. Max Cleland, who resigned from the 9/11 commission called it a “national scandal.”

YouTube - ‪MEDIA FAIL: SPAN Tries And Fails To Cover The Facts Of 9/11‬‎

We Need to Continue to Seek the Truth About 9/11

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Google Yanks “Kill The Web” Article That Warned Of Internet Takeover

Having at first appeared as normal, our earlier article about Google’s plan to kill the web has been completely de-listed from Google News. This is completely unprecedented and underscores how keen Google is to prevent people from finding out that it is a CIA - NSA front that is preparing to completely end the Internet as we know it with the Verizon net-neutrality killing deal.

The article, entitled Google Plans To Kill Web In Internet Takeover Agenda , originally appeared on Google News but was pulled shortly after.

A subsequent blurb promoting Alex Jones’ video presentation on the issue made it through to Google News but could also be yanked at any time.

In the face of this censorship, it’s more important than ever that people get the word out about Google’s plan to kill the web and replace it with a sterile clone of cable TV that will ensure all independent voices on the Internet are silenced forever.



‘Bombshell Barack’ and ‘Kill Web’ Heading to Top of Google Trends

Matt Ryan
Infowars.ccom
August 19, 2010

With what Google Trends describes as “volcanic” level hotness, “Bombshell Barack” reached second place on Google’s hot trends list for August 19, 2010. Shortly after this, “kill web” skyrocketed to the number one position. This marks the eleventh time we have had a significant impact on the closely-monitored list which is regarded as a benchmark for what topics are currently receiving the most attention by web users.

The term “kill web” is the number one search term, but Google delisted our PrisonPlanet.com article written to warn people about the end of internet neutrality and beginning of internet dark age.


During the show Thursday, Alex Jones asked listeners to search the terms “bombshell Barack” and “kill web” relating to two featured articles here concerning explosive stories relating to President Barack Obama’s ties to the CIA and Google’s intent to destroy the Internet as we know it.

Alex Jones would like to again thank everyone for their continued support in spreading the message of truth. Your action and dedication is essential to exposing the lies and disinformation.

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Government Think Tank Calls For Infiltrating Conspiracy Websites



Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, August 30, 2010



Furious that state involvement in major terror attacks is being exposed to a wider audience than ever before via the Internet, a UK think tank closely affiliated with the Downing Street has called for authorities to infiltrate conspiracy websites in an effort to “increase trust in the government”.

“A Demos report published today, The Power of Unreason, argues that secrecy surrounding the investigation of events such as the 9/11 New York attacks and the 7/7 bombings in London merely adds weight to unsubstantiated claims that they were “inside jobs,” reports the London Independent.

In other words, the fact that the overwhelming amount of evidence indicates that both 7/7 and 9/11 were “inside jobs” of one form or another, and that huge numbers of people are now aware of this via the increasing influence of the Internet, is hampering efforts to commit more acts of terror, therefore the government needs to change its strategy.

In the report, Demos, “Recommends the Government fight back by infiltrating internet sites to dispute these theories.” One of the tools Demos already employs to “fight back” against conspiracy theories is by labeling anyone who challenges the government’s official story as an extremist or a terrorist recruiter.

The strategy mirrors that advocated by White House information czar Cass Sunstein, who in a 2008 white paper similarly called for conspiracy websites to be infiltrated and undermined in order to dilute their influence. In the same report, Sunstein also called for taxing conspiracy theories (any viewpoint that differs with the official version) and outright banning free speech that the authorities disapproved of.

What Demos and Sunstein are essentially calling for is classic “provocateur” style infiltration, updated for the 21st century, that came to the fore during the Cointelpro years, an FBI program from 1956-1971 that was focused around disrupting, marginalizing and neutralizing political dissidents, often using illegal methods.



The fact that governments on both sides of the pond have been caught over and over again habitually lying about everything under the sun, allied to a compliant corporate media that has aided authorities in covering up their misdeeds, has prompted a complete collapse in trust from the people, an effect that is now seriously hampering the state’s efforts to enlist implied consent, with millions of people rebelling against the system through civil disobedience and non-compliance in a myriad of different ways.

That’s why Demos, a mouthpiece for the British authorities, is desperate to infiltrate “conspiracy websites,” ie groups of people who broadcast the truth, in order to “increase trust” in a government that has lost all credibility.

As we have documented, governments all over the world, most notably the U.S. and Israel, already employ teams of agents whose sole job revolves around infiltrating and subverting websites that publish the truth about government corruption and atrocities.

Demos is a front for the insidious Common Purpose network, a group that Lt Cdr Brian Gerrish has exposed as playing a fundamental role in the advancement of Britain’s role in the new world order. Julia Middleton, Chief Executive of Common Purpose, sits on Demos’ advisory council.

Demos was founded in 1993 by marxists Martin Jacques and Geoff Mulgan, and was seen as being closely affiliated with Tony Blair’s Labour government. Mulgan went on to work inside Downing Street in 1997. Current British Prime Minister David Cameron also works closely with Demos and has given speeches at the group’s events.


Demos has routinely acted as a platform for elitists who wish to drastically alter society, eliminate freedoms, and sacrifice British sovereignty in pursuit of global government. On August 9, 2006, British Home Secretary Dr John Reid, another former marxist, gave a speech at a Demos conference stating that Britons “may have to modify their notion of freedom”, claiming that freedom is “misused and abused by terrorists.”

Demos is partnered with numerous other globalist organizations from government and industry, including IBM, The Carnegie United Kingdom Trust, and Shell International. The organization’s logo includes an all-seeing eye within its design.

Although the group poses as an independent think tank, Demos is little more than a public relations firm for the British government and security services. Its efforts to demonize conspiracy theories in order to “increase trust in the government” is a transparent ploy to do the bidding of its masters, by demonizing anyone who challenges a corrupt, lying state and its nefarious activities as an extremist and a potential domestic terrorist – contributing to the chilling process which seeks to crush free speech on the Internet.

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