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Old 06-15-2009, 05:16 PM   #196 (permalink)
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so is that why they welcomed the progandised tyrannical fascist war hungry police state ??
No, the facist state built up over time.

perhaps it is you who should read more carefully , as i didn't state ,infer or imply that !
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No, the facist state built up over time.[/font]
yes during the 1930s !
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'Just-Us'
We Hold The Keys To Everything

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There was never much 'justice' in this world, but whatever there might have been is no more: Now there is 'Just-Us.'

Dick Eastman wrote about certain aspects of this confounding equation:
"What is the organized minority's method of keeping the unorganized majority unorganized and in thrall? My theory is that people do not change their politics individually. They must be in a group to form their politics and to change their political positions. I think this is an inherited behavioral characteristic of the species. When ideas are spoken in a group and a person is standing in a group as part of a group a kind of consensus to change views is reached with, because the individuals are in the group "takes" or "bonds" to the individuals in the group.

I say that as a rationalist, an individualist, a behaviorist. Man is a political animal and that is just the way it is. We will make no progress against the corrupt money power and its propaganda machinery until we gather in crowds and are addressed by people who can present our own thinking to us clearly so that we may unite in understanding and purpose. Internet activism and small private discussions are never going to do the job." (1)

This theory, by itself, is interesting but incomplete because it assumes facts not in evidence: Specifically the entire thrust and history of the Wild Card that is continually used against us all in a multiplicity of ways to keep us each imprisoned behind the almost invisible walls that we have constructed in our minds, to justify the extremes that we choose to ignore, that are everywhere in plain sight all around us. The David Icke Newsletter, 6-14-9

"THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM... SEE IT AND YOU'RE 'RACIST

The political creed of Zionism ~ has created a pincer-movement on the human mind by hijacking staggering amounts of political, corporate, banking and media power on one side and by using the fear of being called 'anti-Semitic' if you dare to state the bloody obvious.

They have been able to do this by equating in public perception that Zionism = Jewish people. It does not. Zionism is a political creed introduced by the House of Rothschild to advance the goals of the Illuminati families that are largely controlled by the Rothschilds.

When people think of Zionism they think of Jewish people. When they think of Israel they think of Jewish people. That's understandable given the propaganda, but it is seriously misleading and those instant connections need to be broken if we are going to understand what's going on here.

Zionism means Rothschild just as Israel means Rothschild. When we see the extraordinary number of Zionists in key positions around the world we are looking not at 'manipulating Jews', but manipulating Zionists representing the interests and demands of the Rothschilds.

Significant numbers of Jewish people are not Zionists and oppose that appalling creed while many Zionists are not Jewish. These include the Christian Zionists and Obama's vice-president, Joe Biden, who told Israeli television 'I'm a Zionist'. Here's the clip if you can stand it ... If, as Biden rightly says, you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, how can it be a racial rather than a political movement? It can't. It's just made to appear like that to manipulate public perception because opposing Zionism then becomes opposing Jewish people as a whole and the 'you're a racist' card can be played over and over.
Far from protecting and advancing the interests of the mass of Jewish people it has often been devastating for them and caused millions to be labelled unfairly by the actions of the Zionist elite. On the Jews Against Zionism website one feature highlights how Rothschild Zionism targeted Jews who had lived for generations in Palestine side-by-side with Arabs in peace and harmony:

'The religious Jews who by virtue of their faith, clearly contradicted Zionist nationalism, and who had lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors for generations, became unwillingly identified with the Zionist cause and their struggle with the Arabs.

They requested the United Nations that Jerusalem be designated as a defacto international city. They appealed to the diplomatic corps assigned to Jerusalem -- but to no avail. They were hence confronted with the choice of either becoming a part of the Zionist State, which diametrically opposed the interests of Jews as a religion, or abandoning the land of which their forefathers were the first Jewish settlers.

Let's get this straight. Zionism doesn't give a damn about Jewish people. To the Rothschilds and their Zionist gofers and thugs the Jewish people as a whole are merely cattle to be used and abused as necessary - just like the rest of the human population.

The networks of the House of Rothschild were behind Hitler and the rise of the Nazi Party in the Rothschild heartland of Germany where they had changed their name from Bauer in 18th century Frankfurt and launched the dynasty that was to control global finance.

After the war the Rothschilds used public sympathy for Jewish people targeted by the Nazis to press for a homeland in Palestine. This was the alleged reason for the founding of Zionism, but that is only part of it."
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The first thing that 'we' must do is to realize that this is the WAR-on-Us and that it has been going on virtually throughout all of recorded history. Each time this faction that we are facing now, has arisen, to crush who and what we potentially are; they have failed-but only after doing massive damage to the societies they have attacked. Each time, they have also left behind cloaked fields of time-related cluster bombs that, if they remain unchecked, will undermine everything that is beneficial to the survival of the human race. This is where we are today.

People the world over must begin to realize that this is a war for survival between the best in ourselves and the lowest common denominators within each of us. Collectively we are powerful in our overwhelming numbers: but only if the individuals that make up those overwhelming numbers are self-actualized, and alert and alive with the determination to survive and to retain their own freedom.






What is opposing us is this two headed Eagle that represents the duplicity of the House of Rothschild, on its red-shield of real-time power. The history of this incredibly vile and evil set of manipulative weapons can be found here in detail. (2)

For these contrived plans to work the people pulling the strings need ordinary people to remain subdued in every aspect from the unconscious all the way through to every waking moment in the nearly empty lives, that far too many tend to live, in any society that overvalues money and the self-absorption that greed confers, upon the banality of the scramble for supremacy over what passes for power in a world where nothing else matters.

"Israel is simply the State of Rothschild and how appropriate that they paid for the construction of the Israeli parliament building, the Knesset, and the Israel Supreme Court. The name Rothschild means Red-shield and it originates with the red shield 'Star of David' symbol (not a Jewish symbol before the Rothschilds) which they displayed on their house in Frankfurt ?The very flag of Israel tells you who owns it. There are many reasons why the Rothschilds and their allies wanted to hijack Palestine and one was to keep the Middle East in a state of disruption and turmoil from which a global war can eventually be triggered to usher in the New World Order of world government dictatorship.

The creation of Israel is a means not an end and the Rothschilds will be quite happy to leave the Jewish population to their fate if it suits them. After all, they've done it before.

The world's second biggest Zionist population is in the United States and given that both America and Israel are controlled by the Rothschild networks it is not hard to fathom why that slither of land in the Middle East receives around a third of all US overseas aid.

An average $3 billion a year is handed to the State of Rothschild as a result of decisions made by American administrations that are always, 'Republican' or 'Democrat', controlled by the Rothschilds. One hand of the network hands over the cash to another.

This explains why the United States never talks about the arsenal of nuclear weapons stockpiled by one of the world's most trigger-happy states. Israel refuses to discuss them and the American policy, recently reconfirmed by Obama, is never to ask or bring up the subject.

The last two US administrations are testament to the extent of Zionist (Rothschild) control of America and thus its foreign policy, not least with regard to Iraq, the former land of Sumer and Babylon, which according to some just happens to be part of the 'Greater Israel' that the Zionists seek to secure.


The 'Bush' government was the glove-puppet of the so-called neo-cons, or neoconservatives, whose only political philosophy in truth was the interests of Zionism. At the heart of the Rothschild-controlled neocon cabal were Richard Perle (Zionist), Paul Wolfowitz (Zionist), Dov Zakheim (Zionist), Douglas Feith (Zionist), John Bolton (Zionist), Lewis Libby (Zionist), the list goes on and on. These were the people who orchestrated the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq on behalf of the Rothschilds." David Icke Newsletter.

The real threat to this overarching criminal cabal lies in those that resist these so-called threats from those that came to kill or capture all of us who are not part of them. Everytime mankind has tried to rise from the nether regions which these creatures inhabit; this shadow-world of slime creeps back in, to coax and whisper of those forbidden temptations that are never very far away. To the extent that we remain subdued and comatose; we are vulnerable to the entire panoply of suggestions, both subliminal and overt, that emanate from virtually every organ of these corrupted governments and corporations that seek to dictate our every thought and action.

Mr. Eastman's article lays it all out, in the first footnote, but when you add this key component to his words it's easy to see how well the society has been conditioned to accept the folly of 'understandings' implied in what is meant by multi-party systems: "The only reason parties favor a "two-party system" or a "multi-party system" is because they know that eventually any party's criminality will catch up with it and the people will manage to replace it with another party -- until that one messes up and the original party, owing to the publics' short memory, puts the first party back in office. And then of course the real power-the true ruling minority-own the leadership of both alternating parties while their real power behind the scenes is never broken.

Most people can't see principles at work, only personalities. They focused on "Bush" and now they focus on Obama and Ron Paul or whoever is playing their song for them at the moment. They will never escape from the trap they are in-that we are in--unless they, you and I, face the deception and throw off the straightjacket of rule by manipulation of our emotions with phony appeals to our values which the politician talking doesn't believe in himself." (1)
Because it is this hideous plan of that nether region that has always been behind all the manipulations of the organized parties and their political offshoots: Each of which aides and abets their hold on temporal power, to the direct degree that we fail to detect it and to stand in opposition to their every wish.

Deception and lies are their weapons of choice; to keep us controlled and compliant. They have used the intimacy of society against itself by planting suspicion at virtually every crossroad, and fear in every shadow. These two time-bombs are then activated and enhanced by forcing 'artificial terror' into the very marrow of our beings, so that even our dreams are not immune from this all-consuming disease that we must end-now!

It may be that it is 'Just-Us' that must stand and fight against this ancient evil; but it can easily be enough if we throw away the crutches that we've been leaning on for far too long. Everything we are involved in carries with it some personal responsibility for what eventually takes place. All the blood and treasure we have poured into creating this mindless monster that we've become-must be answered for-because if we fail to do this; then death will be the only one that waits for us, in the tomorrow's of our lives.

Gabriel Garcia Marquez said: "'The almost invisible roots of everyday things, that intertwine with mystery; To create the living walls that separate us * from ourselves" This is what we must each come to understand if we are ever to free ourselves from this black-widow of the mind that is The New World Order!

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Yes, Conspiracy Theorists ARE Crazy

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Many people have given talks, and written articles and books about how “conspiracies” are a well-recognized legal principal, about documented conspiracies throughout history, and about the overwhelming evidence that some recent events were conspiracies.

But it has just dawned on me that - much of the time - the opposite approach might be more effective.

First, let me summarize the suggested approach, and then I’ll explain why it works.

An Example

You start speaking about 9/11.

They guy you’re talking with immediately says “Conspiracy theorists are crazy!”

Instead of getting defensive, you respond:

Yeah, conspiracy theorists are crazy. Little green men on the moon, and all that craziness. Some people are gullible!

But here, the 9/11 Commissioners themselves say the government lied about what happened on 9/11. The senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission - John Farmer - said

“At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”.

And the co-chairs of the Commission - Republican Kean and Democrat Hamilton - said that the military’s lies to the Commission were so bad that the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for willfully lying.

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Why This Works

People make snap judgments about others. Salesmen, dating experts and trial lawyers tell you that first impressions are very important.

Moreover, people tend to like those who are like themselves. If you come across as being completely different, people will often take a dislike to you.

Moreover, the fear of being labeled a “conspiracy theorist” has been so thoroughly taught to the American public that many people automatically discard any theory that even sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Instead of trying to fight this wave, it is better to surf with it. If you start off by dissing crazy conspiracy theorists, and then launch into the authorities who say the official explanation cannot be true (such as this in regards to 9/11), then you will sidestep the whole us-versus-them defense against conspiracy theories.

And remember, there really are some crazy conspiracy theorists. Have you ever had street people yell at you that you killed Elvis, or that you and the CIA are out to get them or some other nutty thing?

Have you ever heard that claim by mass murderer that devil worshippers were broadcasting messages to kill into his skull?

Some people really are crazy, and crazy people tend to spout crazy theories.

You may know the facts so well that you know it is obvious that there was a conspiracy, and that anyone who doesn’t see it is an idiot or a fool. But you have to look at things from the other guy’s perspective. How does he know that you’re not one of the crazies? Until you show him otherwise, he doesn’t.

So you want to distinguish yourself right off the bat from these nutters, so that your listener can put you in the “not a nut” category in their mind.

This insight came to me today when I was speaking with an intelligent person about 9/11. He asked me “don’t you think that a person who sees a picture of a frisbee and is convinced that it is a U.F.O. also thinks that everyone else is blind to the truth?”

His question made me realize that I had to distinguish myself from the frisbee person before he would listen to anything else I had to say. I could have mentioned the many psychiatrists and psychologists who say that those who question 9/11 are the sane ones, but - in a verbal conversation - there is not always time for that. Unless we instantly can distinguish ourselves as not-nuts, we may push the person we are trying to persuade into a defensive position of shutting out all “conspiracy theories”.

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What is a reality sandwich and should I be concerned?
go on ! take a bite !
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go on ! take a bite !
I want extra mustard on mine!!
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I want extra mustard on mine!!
you'll already get more than you bargained for !

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what is with all this conspiracy stuff? can't people just be unaware of the real world? what is it that you hope to accomplish from telling people this stuff?
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what is with all this conspiracy stuff? can't people just be unaware of the real world? what is it that you hope to accomplish from telling people this stuff?
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what is with all this conspiracy stuff? can't people just be unaware of the real world? what is it that you hope to accomplish from telling people this stuff?
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