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**Iconoclast** · 08-06-2010, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Complete and utter uninformed misinformation .
Andrew Wakefield was witch hunted over periphery matters to his research .
The actual research results itself were not discredited

They were. AND, AND, no body was able to reproduce their findings. AND, the biggest experiment in the known universe - the UK mass vaccination of millions of students two years ago shows NOTHING.

eg. still waiting on that other deadly ingested poison for our health !

I am not going down that road, I haven't got time. However, in the terms of toxicology, every drug is a deadly poison at some level.

... you abuse alex jones, because youre too brainwashed and uninformed to know anything about the well documented elite eugenics agenda and real science , by dismissing the notion that certain vaccines damage the brain .

I am sorry if that is what it sounds like, because I actually wanted to slag off that mad phkr a lot more.

I present to you latest scientific neuro-biology research paper and you ignore it and in your hysterical panic can only blast on with ad hom hyperbole.
like finding that

"Age Of Autism" is not a journal that ANY credible scientist would reference. It is quackery.

you need to get informed on the inter-relationship between economics and science ! eg. . how science is twisted to suit the profit agenda !

AH!! Now you are talking !! There is a small but evil element of scientists for hire. Fortunately many/most of it gets found out fairly quickly. It is part of the 5% you should pursue.

**Axiom** · 08-06-2010, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

"Age Of Autism" is not a journal that ANY credible scientist would reference. It is quackery.

LOL
Did you read it ?

**Iconoclast** · 08-06-2010, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

LOL
Did you read it ?

Yep. Then I looked at its science citation status here. The journal is junk.

**Axiom** · 08-06-2010, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Yep. Then I looked at its science citation status here.

after clicking on this link i was met with :
ERROR 500 - INTERNAL SERVER ERROR

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. Please contact Tech Support.

so . try again ..

but for those , wanting to "move the test match on a bit":

References:
Laura Hewitson, Brian J. Lopresti, Carol Stott, N. Scott Mason, and Jaime Tomko. Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study. Acta Neurobiol Exp 2010. 70: 147–164

Kris Turlejski. Focus on Autism Editorial Comment Acta Neurobiol Exp 2010. 70: 117–118

**Axiom** · 08-07-2010, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

Have you got any figures AX on how many really support AJ puppet show ?

what do you mean "puppet show" ?

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

Imagine AJ and David Icke in same room together that is scary

Why ?

**hobsonbay player** · 08-07-2010, 01:53 AM

l'am not going to go tit for tat with you about these two controversial figures
which I know you'd love too

They don't reflect people's view their outcast
with no understanding about daily life for most citizens
They are simply pandering to audience like you and many left-right political nuts with contempt .Blind freddy can see this unfortunately thing occurring
in front of them but fringe believers have no hope or believe in them selfs to make difference in there own life .So they reach for AJ and icke that is sad
reality .

**Axiom** · 08-07-2010, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

l'am not going to go tit for tat with you about these two controversial figures
which I know you'd love too They don't reflect people's view their outcast
with no understanding about daily life for most citizens
They are simply pandering to audience like you and many left-right political nuts with contempt .Blind freddy can see this unfortunately thing occurring
in front of them but fringe believers have no hope or believe in them selfs to make difference in there own life .So they reach for AJ and icke that is sad
reality .

if its so easy to condemn them , why have you never specifically refuted a single item of theirs in all your time here ??

can you say "brainwashed zombie serf slave sheeple" ?

**hobsonbay player** · 08-07-2010, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

if its so easy to condemn them , why have you never specifically refuted a single item of theirs in all your time here ??

can you say "brainwashed zombie serf slave sheeple" ?

I could collect lot of data , evidence , about these two but why waste my time

so you can refute it and make hash out of it .Its more narrow mindedness or

tunnel vision you might have which could cloud you're judgement . Let Icon continue
good work on you !

**Axiom** · 08-07-2010, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

I could collect lot of data , evidence , about these two but why waste my time
so you can refute it .

well its so easy , why not ?! LOL

**hobsonbay player** · 08-07-2010, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

well its so easy , why not ?! LOL

Whats easy is saying NO too it ! . Only thing l can say it has small element

of entertainment value just like you !

**Axiom** · 08-07-2010, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by hobsonbay player

Whats easy is saying NO too it ! . Only thing l can say it has small element

of entertainment value just like you !

any entertainment aspect is only of a secondary concern ,.... i'm fighting an info war here .

So either contribute to the battle or get the hell out of the way !

**Iconoclast** · 08-07-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

So either contribute to the battle or get the hell out of the way !

OK. Here is some information:

**Axiom** · 08-07-2010, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

OK. Here is some information:

thank you icon , but not disputed nor relevant to the current debate about the latest research showing similar brain changes to that of autism from a neuro-biol journal !

So are you going to apologise to alex jones now , for jumping the gun ?

**Iconoclast** · 08-07-2010, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

thank you icon , but not disputed nor relevant to the current debate about the latest research showing similar brain changes to that of autism from a neuro-biol journal !

So are you going to apologise to alex jones now , for jumping the gun ?

The medical science system of research trials and review have produced the results above. Parallel results exist for fluoridation. Cancer survival rates are growing, autism rates are static and heart disease is in decline. All this progress and more, are the fruits of the medical science system. There have been very few well aired and relatively small phck-ups - eg thalidomide, precautionary full body CAT scans and Tuskegee.

I trust the system. You do not. I give you the form guide and you ignore it and believe an ignorant hallucinator instead. I feel like I do when I am arguing with a Young Earther. They cannot give up their nonsense, and you cannot give up yours.

**Axiom** · 08-07-2010, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The medical science system of research trials and review have produced the results above. Parallel results exist for fluoridation. Cancer survival rates are growing, autism rates are static and heart disease is in decline. All this progress and more, are the fruits of the medical science system. There have been very few well aired and relatively small phck-ups - eg thalidomide, precautionary full body CAT scans and Tuskegee.

I trust the system. You do not. I give you the form guide and you ignore it and believe an ignorant hallucinator instead. I feel like I do when I am arguing with a Young Earther. They cannot give up their nonsense, and you cannot give up yours.

Sorry . not going to allow you to squirm away , off topic like that .

Again , to recap ( sorry , but you keep avoiding your initial rant ),
you castigated alex jones for something that has a basis in your precious science ie. the peer reviewed neuro-biol journal article .- that thimeresol causes brain structure changes .
You refuse to address your error , and an apology to alex jones , and indeed myself is overdue.

08-06-2010, 08:28 PM	#31 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom Complete and utter uninformed misinformation . Andrew Wakefield was witch hunted over periphery matters to his research . The actual research results itself were not discredited They were. AND, AND, no body was able to reproduce their findings. AND, the biggest experiment in the known universe - the UK mass vaccination of millions of students two years ago shows NOTHING. eg. still waiting on that other deadly ingested poison for our health ! I am not going down that road, I haven't got time. However, in the terms of toxicology, every drug is a deadly poison at some level. ... you abuse alex jones, because youre too brainwashed and uninformed to know anything about the well documented elite eugenics agenda and real science , by dismissing the notion that certain vaccines damage the brain . I am sorry if that is what it sounds like, because I actually wanted to slag off that mad phkr a lot more. I present to you latest scientific neuro-biology research paper and you ignore it and in your hysterical panic can only blast on with ad hom hyperbole. like finding that "Age Of Autism" is not a journal that ANY credible scientist would reference. It is quackery. you need to get informed on the inter-relationship between economics and science ! eg. . how science is twisted to suit the profit agenda ! AH!! Now you are talking !! There is a small but evil element of scientists for hire. Fortunately many/most of it gets found out fairly quickly. It is part of the 5% you should pursue. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-06-2010, 08:33 PM	#32 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast "Age Of Autism" is not a journal that ANY credible scientist would reference. It is quackery. LOL Did you read it ? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 08-06-2010 at 10:27 PM

08-06-2010, 10:44 PM	#33 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom LOL Did you read it ? Yep. Then I looked at its science citation status here. The journal is junk. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-06-2010, 11:01 PM	#34 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Yep. Then I looked at its science citation status here. after clicking on this link i was met with : ERROR 500 - INTERNAL SERVER ERROR The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. Please contact Tech Support. so . try again .. but for those , wanting to "move the test match on a bit": References: Laura Hewitson, Brian J. Lopresti, Carol Stott, N. Scott Mason, and Jaime Tomko. Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study. Acta Neurobiol Exp 2010. 70: 147–164 Kris Turlejski. Focus on Autism Editorial Comment Acta Neurobiol Exp 2010. 70: 117–118 __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 08-07-2010 at 12:20 AM

08-07-2010, 01:21 AM	#35 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by hobsonbay player Have you got any figures AX on how many really support AJ puppet show ? what do you mean "puppet show" ? Originally Posted by hobsonbay player Imagine AJ and David Icke in same room together that is scary Why ? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-07-2010, 01:53 AM	#36 (permalink)
hobsonbay player Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 179	l'am not going to go tit for tat with you about these two controversial figures which I know you'd love too They don't reflect people's view their outcast with no understanding about daily life for most citizens They are simply pandering to audience like you and many left-right political nuts with contempt .Blind freddy can see this unfortunately thing occurring in front of them but fringe believers have no hope or believe in them selfs to make difference in there own life .So they reach for AJ and icke that is sad reality .

08-07-2010, 02:02 AM	#37 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Just More Ad Homs & Hyperbole - How Sad Originally Posted by hobsonbay player l'am not going to go tit for tat with you about these two controversial figures which I know you'd love too They don't reflect people's view their outcast with no understanding about daily life for most citizens They are simply pandering to audience like you and many left-right political nuts with contempt .Blind freddy can see this unfortunately thing occurring in front of them but fringe believers have no hope or believe in them selfs to make difference in there own life .So they reach for AJ and icke that is sad reality . if its so easy to condemn them , why have you never specifically refuted a single item of theirs in all your time here ?? can you say "brainwashed zombie serf slave sheeple" ? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-07-2010, 02:14 AM	#38 (permalink)
hobsonbay player Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 179	Originally Posted by Axiom if its so easy to condemn them , why have you never specifically refuted a single item of theirs in all your time here ?? can you say "brainwashed zombie serf slave sheeple" ? I could collect lot of data , evidence , about these two but why waste my time so you can refute it and make hash out of it .Its more narrow mindedness or tunnel vision you might have which could cloud you're judgement . Let Icon continue good work on you !

08-07-2010, 02:17 AM	#39 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by hobsonbay player I could collect lot of data , evidence , about these two but why waste my time so you can refute it . well its so easy , why not ?! LOL __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-07-2010, 02:22 AM	#40 (permalink)
hobsonbay player Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 179	Originally Posted by Axiom well its so easy , why not ?! LOL Whats easy is saying NO too it ! . Only thing l can say it has small element of entertainment value just like you !

08-07-2010, 02:26 AM	#41 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by hobsonbay player Whats easy is saying NO too it ! . Only thing l can say it has small element of entertainment value just like you ! any entertainment aspect is only of a secondary concern ,.... i'm fighting an info war here . So either contribute to the battle or get the hell out of the way ! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-07-2010, 05:14 PM	#43 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast OK. Here is some information: thank you icon , but not disputed nor relevant to the current debate about the latest research showing similar brain changes to that of autism from a neuro-biol journal ! So are you going to apologise to alex jones now , for jumping the gun ? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-07-2010, 05:40 PM	#44 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom thank you icon , but not disputed nor relevant to the current debate about the latest research showing similar brain changes to that of autism from a neuro-biol journal ! So are you going to apologise to alex jones now , for jumping the gun ? The medical science system of research trials and review have produced the results above. Parallel results exist for fluoridation. Cancer survival rates are growing, autism rates are static and heart disease is in decline. All this progress and more, are the fruits of the medical science system. There have been very few well aired and relatively small phck-ups - eg thalidomide, precautionary full body CAT scans and Tuskegee. I trust the system. You do not. I give you the form guide and you ignore it and believe an ignorant hallucinator instead. I feel like I do when I am arguing with a Young Earther. They cannot give up their nonsense, and you cannot give up yours. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-07-2010, 06:01 PM	#45 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast The medical science system of research trials and review have produced the results above. Parallel results exist for fluoridation. Cancer survival rates are growing, autism rates are static and heart disease is in decline. All this progress and more, are the fruits of the medical science system. There have been very few well aired and relatively small phck-ups - eg thalidomide, precautionary full body CAT scans and Tuskegee. I trust the system. You do not. I give you the form guide and you ignore it and believe an ignorant hallucinator instead. I feel like I do when I am arguing with a Young Earther. They cannot give up their nonsense, and you cannot give up yours. Sorry . not going to allow you to squirm away , off topic like that . Again , to recap ( sorry , but you keep avoiding your initial rant ), you castigated alex jones for something that has a basis in your precious science ie. the peer reviewed neuro-biol journal article .- that thimeresol causes brain structure changes . You refuse to address your error , and an apology to alex jones , and indeed myself is overdue. __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

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