Iconoclast

This is akin to the classic creationist argument against the fossil record. They claim that that there are not enough steps in the record to show evolution, i.e. too many "missing links." Now you are denying that "links" exist between the teller and the manager and the Zurichian. Crap! .... a patently stupid assertion.

Yep that is exactly what I mean. Or are you going to tell me that you have no idea what the Manhatten Project was and that organised crime does not exist.?

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only because you have not thought deeply enough about it .
of course there are gradiations betweens the levels that is not in dispute , but a few "gradiations" are "missing" between the board in zurich and the ceo and the owner eg. rothschild .
To suggest otherwise is ill informed .


the point which seems to have escaped you was that the manhatten project was kept secret for 50 yrs , as military tech and organised crime is no doubt currently secret , and as you would concede , still exists .

Do not underestimate the power of force,media or blackmail to maintain an "orderly chain of command ".

Blackmail: How The Controlling Elite Owns Politicians

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Iconoclast

To know how CRAZY Alex Jones is, all you have to do is listen to his words being read out by a rational human being.

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But i hope you don't dispute the veracity of what he says ?
You are not aware of the scientific evidence to support what he is saying ?
If not , i would be only too happy to provide such evidence .

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Iconoclast

I dispute, refute, reject, eschew all of it. I have read the "evidence" and it is science fiction set on planet Paranoid dominated by a sub species Ignoramus maximus.

As I have said before, YOU tell me what plasmid cassettes and a major histo-compatibility complex are, then we can talk. Until then, you are being SUCKED IN to a zone of psychosis so bazaar it makes Alice in Wonderland look like On The Origin Of Species.

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Are you sure you want to let that post stand before i explode your position publically and graphically ?

(And i ain't playin' Texas Hold Em Bluff here pardner )

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Iconoclast

......... what? Oh, you want to be spanked. OK then, say something naughty.

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Ok , i'll take that as a yes .

Here is the case you need to answer ( including all links contained therein) :
Establishment Media Pushes Brain Eating Vaccines
Brain Eating Vaccines: The Reality Behind The “Conspiracy Theory�



New Study Shows Vaccines Cause Brain Changes Found in Autism - AGE OF AUTISM

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Iconoclast

I looked at the first piece of "evidence" - the time lapse of Hg poisoning of a cultured neuron. The stated dose was 10^-7M. Do your maths !! That is 80ppb which is 40 times greater than permitted maximum in water. Furthermore, 80ppb is only about 12 times what can be expected in the normal human.

So there is a problem: Hg at a bit more than "normal" blood levels appears to instantly prevent neuronal connections forming. Sound odd to you? Yes it should.

The missing info from your idiot info warrior is that inorganic Hg does not cross the blood brain barrier. That is why the experiment was actually testing what would happen to your brain if you were drinking liters of Hg.

Now some more maths. A 50 kg kiddy having 5mL vaccination containing a adjuvant at 5000ppb Hg will increase normal levels by 0.5ppb - an increase of about 10% which is cleared within a few days. (Hg has a clearance rate half life of about a week.)

Look it all up and do the maths. As I said Alex Jones talks science fiction set on planet Paranoid dominated by the sub species Ignoramus maximus. I have not got the time to go refuting all the non-sense that this lunatic spouts, so I will leave you with the following. You need to getthaphuk ejamacated so you can WORK OUT what veracity his claims have. You would (will?) find he is a dangerous fool.

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so are you saying Thimerosall doesn't adversely effect brain structure ?
New Study Shows Vaccines Cause Brain Changes Found in Autism - AGE OF AUTISM

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The Psychology of Conspiracy Denial



Wired Magazine writer Jonah Lehrer claims his critics are engaging in “cognitive dissonance,” by expressing concern about experimental vaccines, which in fact is the perfect description for Lehrer’s own behavior



Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, August 5, 2010

Wired Magazine writer Jonah Lehrer attempts to offset the overwhelmingly critical response to his attack on Alex Jones by characterizing skepticism of authority in the context of vaccines and mass medication as a psychological dysfunction, despite the fact that the history of government-funded medical research in the United States is replete with examples of scientific abuse against unwitting victims.

Lehrer fires another salvo in the controversy surrounding brain-altering vaccines that eliminate stress and induce artificial states of “focused calm” by portraying those who are concerned about the potential abuse of such treatments as paranoid cult members who believe in space aliens coming to rescue them from an imminent apocalypse.

Unable to properly address Alex Jones’ video journal about the dangers of mind-altering vaccines point by point, Lehrer resorts instead to retelling a completely unrelated story from the 1950’s about a woman in Minneapolis who thought a giant spaceship would rescue her from the end of the world.



According to Lehrer, people who are concerned about fluoridated drinking water and the New World Order, in other words, anyone who expresses consternation about what they are putting in their own body or what powerful people are planning to do with the planet, are mentally disturbed cult members who are victims of cognitive dissonance.

Of course, Lehrer’s tactic of labeling of those who disagree with him in pointing out that there are very real proposals to mass medicate the water supply with lithium, in addition to the already prevalent neurotoxin sodium fluoride, with a psychological dysfunction, could just as easily be applied to Lehrer himself.

The acid test on who is engaging in cognitive dissonance and ‘doubling down’ on their beliefs even in light of conflicting evidence, be it Lehrer or the “conspiracy theorists,” has to come down to the basic facts.

It’s a fact that Lehrer’s own fellow Oxford luminary Julian Savulescu, in a 2008 white paper, called for populations to be mass-medicated through pharmacological ‘cognitive enhancements’ added to the water supply.

It’s a fact that Professor Allan Young of Vancouver’s Institute for Mental Health told the BBC that “Large-scale trials involving the addition of lithium to drinking water supplies may…be feasible,” following claims that lithium led to a reduction in the number of suicides in Japan and helped to alleviate “mood disorders”.

It’s a fact that Barack Obama’s top science czar John P. Holdren advocated in his own textbook Ecoscience that a “planetary regime” should employ a “global police force” to enforce totalitarian measures of population control, including forced abortions, mass sterilization programs conducted via the food and water supply.

These facts are not a product of some spurious Internet link found on Google, as Lehrer spins it, nor do they have anything to do with alien spaceships or the apocalypse, they were either written or said directly by the individuals themselves.

In Lehrer’s first article on the subject, he wrote that people who expressed concern about proposals to put lithium as well as sterilants in the water supply were trafficking in “idiotic conspiracy theories”.

Lehrer’s knee jerk denial of these manifestly provable facts that he derides as “idiotic conspiracy theories” is proof positive that it’s Lehrer himself, and not the conspiracy theorists, who is engaging in cognitive dissonance and “doubling down” on his beliefs even in light of conflicting evidence.

Lehrer’s behavior is a classic case of cognitive dissonance – when presented with the fact that proposals are in place to mass medicate the water supply, he continues to spin yarns about space aliens from the 50’s while defending his belief system with sophomoric name-calling and discredited stereotypes which attempt to label anyone who disagrees with him as mentally unstable.


Given the multi-decade documented history of the United States government using its own population as unwitting guinea pigs for the most abhorrent scientific experiments and trials, to deny that such plots could be hatched today is the height of cognitive dissonance.

Lehrer’s argument frames skepticism of authority in the context of vaccines and health care as a mental disorder, a trait of people who are susceptible to cults, people who believe in space aliens and the apocalypse.

In fact, skepticism of authority in the context of health care is the most rational and intellectual mind set one could possibly embrace.

Just look at the devastation caused by the Gardasil in young women and girls. The jab was suspected of triggering “adverse reactions” in thousands of patients and has killed several. Look at the tenfold increase in fits and convulsions that the seasonal flu vaccine is causing in under-5’s.

If victims of the infamous Tuskegee syphilis study, conducted by the U.S. Public Health Service between 1932 and 1972, had ignored the advice of the doctors they had been told to trust and sought proper medical treatment, they could have saved their own lives as well as those of future generations who were born with congenital syphilis as a consequence of the U.S. health authorities deliberately withholding treatment.

If victims of Project SHAD, unwilling and uninformed participants in a Department of Defense program that deliberately exposed them to chemical and biological weapons like VX and Sarin nerve gas, had not trusted their superiors then they could have avoided lifelong debilitating diseases and premature deaths.

If parents of mentally disabled children at the Willowbrook State School in Staten Island, New York, had not trusted Saul Krugman of New York University, who told them that their children were being enrolled for helpful “vaccinations” when in fact that were being deliberately infected with viral hepatitis, then more heartache could have been spared.

If people had expressed more concern at the time about radiation experiments which led to government scientists, “Feeding radioactive food to mentally disabled children or conscientious objectors, inserting radium rods into the noses of school children, deliberately releasing radioactive chemicals over U.S. and Canadian cities, measuring the health effects of radioactive fallout from nuclear bomb tests, injecting pregnant women and babies with radioactive chemicals, and irradiating the testicles of prison inmates,” would this have been a healthy form of skepticism to adopt?

The list is endless – the history of human experimentation performed by government scientists on unwitting victims reinforces the fact that expressing concern about experimental vaccinations that promise to induce a state of “focused calm” is not to engage in delusions of paranoia or cognitive dissonance, as Lehrer characterizes it, it’s a healthy and informed response to the multi-generational record of scientific abuse of health care research in the United States.

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Iconoclast

Look, Ax, this is gonna go nowhere. The vaccine-autism "link" was a fraud the numbers were fudged in a stupidly small sample. The pricks who did it have been struck off. I think they should go to gaol for life.

I have no intention of showing you where the "evidence" is wrong in every idiotic conspiracy. I have already done it a few times for you. But you keep wheeling out yet another piece of shit research. NO MORE. Just get educated in science and economics so that you can see the folly of your fears.

I suspect that maybe 1 in 20 of the Info Wars cannon have some important validity. The vast majority however are so off the mark that I cannot dignify them enough to place them on the wrong end of the right-wrong continuum. They are simply not worth spending time on.

I wish you all the best in getting educated so that you can find 1 in 20 so you can do good deeds on for those issues and not waste 95% of your time on bollocks.

'Good Luck

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Complete and utter uninformed misinformation .
Andrew Wakefield was witch hunted over periphery matters to his research .
The actual research results itself were not discredited ,only peripheral procedural matters like for instance the way he acquired his test subjects .

the closest youve ever got was on the climate change debate , but that's it, you've not even dented anything else .eg. still waiting on that other deadly ingested poison for our health !
Typical of the deluded cog diss mentioned in the article above in post #27
here's a recap - you abuse alex jones , because youre too brainwashed and uninformed to know anything about the well documented elite eugenics agenda and real science , by dismissing the notion that certain vaccines damage the brain .
I present to you latest scientific neuro-biology research paper and you ignore it and in your hysterical panic can only blast on with ad hom hyperbole.
like finding that
other deadly toxin humans ingest for their health ??

like the peer reviewed neuro-biology research journal findings ?
you need to get informed on the inter-relationship between economics and science ! eg. . how science is twisted to suit the profit agenda !

even if it was only one in 20 ( its closer to 10-15 out of 20 ) its still way way ahead of the msm !

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Have you got any figures AX on how many really support AJ puppet show ?
Imagine AJ and David Icke in same room together that is scary