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**Axiom** · 02-16-2010, 02:09 AM

Dead Man Musings: Alex Jones and Free Masonry

**Just2Good** · 02-16-2010, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Sometimes you hear something and you have to wander how we got to the moon and eradicated small pox.

Was that Alex Jones? Wow!

Forget the bankers poisoning our water, this guy is going to keel over from heart trouble if he doesn't learn how to chill out.

I wonder if he believes in the malicious lizard people?

**Axiom** · 02-16-2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I wonder if he believes in the malicious lizard people?

You really should read the last 4 posts in the infowars thread .

Info Wars

**Axiom** · 07-14-2010, 12:52 AM

BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND

AND BECAUSE YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH

**Just2Good** · 07-14-2010, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND

AND BECAUSE YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH

I listened to 3 and a half minutes of this guy and did not hear anything at all of interest. Really Ax, I don't know why you love this Yank so much.

**Axiom** · 07-14-2010, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I listened to 3 and a half minutes of this guy and did not hear anything at all of interest. Really Ax, I don't know why you love this Yank so much.

Can you say "real news" ?

**Axiom** · 07-14-2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I listened to 3 and a half minutes of this guy and did not hear anything at all of interest. Really Ax, I don't know why you love this Yank so much.

This is guy is scottish , but he lives in Canada . You may prefer him .

**Axiom** · 08-17-2010, 06:10 PM

Alex Jones Show: Hamid Gul, “God Help America!”

TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW
In a landmark interview, Alex talks with former director of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, Hamid Gul. Mr. Gul recently characterized the "leaked" Wikileaks documents implicating him in a string of attacks against US and NATO forces in Afghanistan as "malicious, fictitious, and preposterous." Alex also welcomes back to the show film-maker, broadcaster and former broker and options trader, Max Keiser. Max is the host of On the Edge, a program of news and analysis, and also hosts Keiser Report, a financial tabloid. He formerly hosted The Oracle with Max Keiser on BBC World News and previously produced and appeared regularly on the TV series People & Power on the Al-Jazeera English network. In addition to his broadcasting work, Keiser is known for his invention of "Virtual Specialist Technology," a software system used by the Hollywood Stock Exchange. Alex also welcomes a special guest, to be announced later in the show. Alex covers the latest news and takes your calls.

Listen now Listen Now Windows Media Windows Media

**Axiom** · 08-22-2010, 06:33 AM

Alex Jones and MSNBC’s Hit Piece: The Lost Footage

Infowars.com
August 21, 2010

The video footage below did not make it into MSNBC’s slam piece, “Rise Of The New Right,” that featured and demonized patriots, including Alex Jones. A link to “rest of the story,” obviously not suitable for the establishment’s propaganda and demonization purposes

**Iconoclast** · 08-22-2010, 10:23 AM

The trouble with AJ is that he mixes an unholy brew of:

Truth about politics
Scientific non-sense
Liberalism
(Constitutional) Fundamentalism
Corruption
Conspiracy

A mixture of insight and bollocks.

**Axiom** · 08-22-2010, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The trouble with AJ is that he mixes an unholy brew of:

Truth about politics
Scientific non-sense
Liberalism ? <- Libertarianism
(Constitutional) Fundamentalism
Corruption
Conspiracy

A mixture of insight and bollocks.

BUT STILL INFINITELY MORE INFORMING THAN ANY OTHER MEDIA ON THE PLANET !!

**Iconoclast** · 08-22-2010, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

BUT STILL INFINITELY MORE INFORMING THAN ANY OTHER MEDIA ON THE PLANET !!

No no no. Something can ONLY be called "informing" when the vast majority of the information is correct. It is a bit like an unreliable car is worse than a broken down car. Something that is not reliable is worse than useless. He confuses incompetency and greed with conspiracy. Now that he has the "conspiracy mindset" he sees everything as part of the/a/some conspiracy. It makes him sound crazy.

**Axiom** · 08-22-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

No no no. Something can ONLY be called "informing" when the vast majority of the information is correct. It is a bit like an unreliable car is worse than a broken down car. Something that is not reliable is worse than useless. He confuses incompetency and greed with conspiracy. Now that he has the "conspiracy mindset" he sees everything as part of the/a/some conspiracy. It makes him sound crazy.

exactly - "sound" crazy !
but not actually crazy .

do you mean crazy like the deaths of jfk,rfk,dr kelly , foster ,sonny bono ?? LOL
oh yeah , no conspiracies there LOL

Alex presents info supported by evidence , official documents , the words from the lips or words penned by the subjects in question .
.. a collection of news sources from msm articles to individual researcher's blogs.

Now mr icon , you have made some grand claims there . But see if you can be one of those rare critics that can actually point to a specific article or specific item that alex has said , written or presented that you can refute .

Remembering no one source is 100% infallible .
Im not saying he is infallible. I'm saying infowars is just far more really- informative than any other media source ! ( honourable mentions to rense,icke,global research amongst several others)
Do you scrutinise your abc media for instance the same way ?

The truly informed know conspiracies ARE everywhere !

**Iconoclast** · 08-23-2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

do you mean crazy like the deaths of jfk,rfk,dr kelly , foster ,sonny bono ?? LOL
oh yeah , no conspiracies there LOL

Problematic people are killed all the time. That fact on its own is not even nearly sufficient to claim "conspiracy." Furthermore, there is a huge number, many thousands, of much more problematic people in the US alone, who should have been killed by this or that conspiracy. BUT, they have not been killed. Explanation: there is no conspiracy, only intermittent skullduggery which you interpret as conspiracy.

Now mr icon , you have made some grand claims there.

NO axiom. I have not made the main claims. It is you, ax, who are making the claims - claims of "conspiracy." It is you, ax, who have to provide the evidence. It is Alex Jones who, if he has the evidence to prove JUST ONE of his conspiracy claims can at any time have it tested in the courts. As far as I know, Western courts are the last remaining bastion of relatively good, though imperfect truth and justice.

The truly informed know conspiracies ARE everywhere !

Like demons, shadows and six legged spiders.

**Axiom** · 08-24-2010, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Problematic people are killed all the time. That fact on its own is not even nearly sufficient to claim "conspiracy."

Who was saying it was ???

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Furthermore, there is a huge number, many thousands, of much more problematic people in the US alone, who should have been killed by this or that conspiracy.

thousands ARE !
And with all due respect , i would not think either of us are in a position to determine the criterion of these assassins .

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

BUT, they have not been killed. Explanation: there is no conspiracy, only intermittent skullduggery which you interpret as conspiracy.

i would look at interpreting your own logic (based on facts and definitions) there .

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

NO axiom. I have not made the main claims. It is you, ax, who are making the claims - claims of "conspiracy." It is you, ax, who have to provide the evidence. It is Alex Jones who, if he has the evidence to prove JUST ONE of his conspiracy claims can at any time have it tested in the courts. As far as I know, Western courts are the last remaining bastion of relatively good, though imperfect truth and justice.

Would the written words of the club of rome , kissinger , holdren , w colby , d rockefeller suffice .
the words of churchill, , orwell, b russel, a huxley ,e rothschild, c quigley , z brzezinski , and all the others i quoted in my early infowars thread days at cc ??

Alex has been providing evidence for 12 years , i have been providing evidence for 5 yrs . For a reminder of our success rate , i refer you to the powerful thread - " do you remember" !

Choose one single issue that you feel you could refute and i will provide the evidence sufficient to support the claim . Take your pick ,..instead of dodging the specifics ..which seems to be the favoured approach amongst the FRMCBBPZSS.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Like demons, shadows and six legged spiders.

NOT THE YETI, ELVIS ,BIGFOOT,NESSIE, OR PINK UNICORNS EITHER !

I noticed you evaded my last question .

People are waking up to their ill,mis,dis and mal - informing msm ! Mainstream Media is Crushing Public Confidence

02-16-2010, 02:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Dead Man Musings: Alex Jones and Free Masonry __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

02-16-2010, 05:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Alex Jones? Originally Posted by Iconoclast Sometimes you hear something and you have to wander how we got to the moon and eradicated small pox. Was that Alex Jones? Wow! Forget the bankers poisoning our water, this guy is going to keel over from heart trouble if he doesn't learn how to chill out. I wonder if he believes in the malicious lizard people? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

02-16-2010, 02:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Just2Good I wonder if he believes in the malicious lizard people? You really should read the last 4 posts in the infowars thread . Info Wars __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

07-14-2010, 12:52 AM	#19 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	The Alex Jones Show BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND AND BECAUSE YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 07-14-2010 at 01:53 AM

07-14-2010, 01:55 AM	#20 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND AND BECAUSE YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH I listened to 3 and a half minutes of this guy and did not hear anything at all of interest. Really Ax, I don't know why you love this Yank so much. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

07-14-2010, 01:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Just2Good I listened to 3 and a half minutes of this guy and did not hear anything at all of interest. Really Ax, I don't know why you love this Yank so much. Can you say "real news" ? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

07-14-2010, 07:05 PM	#22 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Just2Good I listened to 3 and a half minutes of this guy and did not hear anything at all of interest. Really Ax, I don't know why you love this Yank so much. This is guy is scottish , but he lives in Canada . You may prefer him . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-17-2010, 06:10 PM	#23 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Real Media Real Interview Real News Alex Jones Show: Hamid Gul, “God Help America!” TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW In a landmark interview, Alex talks with former director of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, Hamid Gul. Mr. Gul recently characterized the "leaked" Wikileaks documents implicating him in a string of attacks against US and NATO forces in Afghanistan as "malicious, fictitious, and preposterous." Alex also welcomes back to the show film-maker, broadcaster and former broker and options trader, Max Keiser. Max is the host of On the Edge, a program of news and analysis, and also hosts Keiser Report, a financial tabloid. He formerly hosted The Oracle with Max Keiser on BBC World News and previously produced and appeared regularly on the TV series People & Power on the Al-Jazeera English network. In addition to his broadcasting work, Keiser is known for his invention of "Virtual Specialist Technology," a software system used by the Hollywood Stock Exchange. Alex also welcomes a special guest, to be announced later in the show. Alex covers the latest news and takes your calls. Listen now Listen Now Windows Media Windows Media __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-22-2010, 06:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Follow Reality Alex Jones and MSNBC’s Hit Piece: The Lost Footage Infowars.com August 21, 2010 The video footage below did not make it into MSNBC’s slam piece, “Rise Of The New Right,” that featured and demonized patriots, including Alex Jones. A link to “rest of the story,” obviously not suitable for the establishment’s propaganda and demonization purposes __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

08-22-2010, 10:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	The trouble with AJ is that he mixes an unholy brew of: Truth about politics Scientific non-sense Liberalism (Constitutional) Fundamentalism Corruption Conspiracy A mixture of insight and bollocks. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-22-2010, 02:37 PM	#26 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Where Is Better ?! Originally Posted by Iconoclast The trouble with AJ is that he mixes an unholy brew of: Truth about politics Scientific non-sense Liberalism ? <- Libertarianism (Constitutional) Fundamentalism Corruption Conspiracy A mixture of insight and bollocks. BUT STILL INFINITELY MORE INFORMING THAN ANY OTHER MEDIA ON THE PLANET !! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 08-22-2010 at 03:13 PM

08-22-2010, 08:18 PM	#27 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom BUT STILL INFINITELY MORE INFORMING THAN ANY OTHER MEDIA ON THE PLANET !! No no no. Something can ONLY be called "informing" when the vast majority of the information is correct. It is a bit like an unreliable car is worse than a broken down car. Something that is not reliable is worse than useless. He confuses incompetency and greed with conspiracy. Now that he has the "conspiracy mindset" he sees everything as part of the/a/some conspiracy. It makes him sound crazy. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-22-2010, 08:29 PM	#28 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Conspiracies ARE Everywhere ! Originally Posted by Iconoclast No no no. Something can ONLY be called "informing" when the vast majority of the information is correct. It is a bit like an unreliable car is worse than a broken down car. Something that is not reliable is worse than useless. He confuses incompetency and greed with conspiracy. Now that he has the "conspiracy mindset" he sees everything as part of the/a/some conspiracy. It makes him sound crazy. exactly - "sound" crazy ! but not actually crazy . do you mean crazy like the deaths of jfk,rfk,dr kelly , foster ,sonny bono ?? LOL oh yeah , no conspiracies there LOL Alex presents info supported by evidence , official documents , the words from the lips or words penned by the subjects in question . .. a collection of news sources from msm articles to individual researcher's blogs. Now mr icon , you have made some grand claims there . But see if you can be one of those rare critics that can actually point to a specific article or specific item that alex has said , written or presented that you can refute . Remembering no one source is 100% infallible . Im not saying he is infallible. I'm saying infowars is just far more really- informative than any other media source ! ( honourable mentions to rense,icke,global research amongst several others) Do you scrutinise your abc media for instance the same way ? The truly informed know conspiracies ARE everywhere ! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 08-22-2010 at 08:54 PM

08-23-2010, 01:10 PM	#29 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom do you mean crazy like the deaths of jfk,rfk,dr kelly , foster ,sonny bono ?? LOL oh yeah , no conspiracies there LOL Problematic people are killed all the time. That fact on its own is not even nearly sufficient to claim "conspiracy." Furthermore, there is a huge number, many thousands, of much more problematic people in the US alone, who should have been killed by this or that conspiracy. BUT, they have not been killed. Explanation: there is no conspiracy, only intermittent skullduggery which you interpret as conspiracy. Now mr icon , you have made some grand claims there. NO axiom. I have not made the main claims. It is you, ax, who are making the claims - claims of "conspiracy." It is you, ax, who have to provide the evidence. It is Alex Jones who, if he has the evidence to prove JUST ONE of his conspiracy claims can at any time have it tested in the courts. As far as I know, Western courts are the last remaining bastion of relatively good, though imperfect truth and justice. The truly informed know conspiracies ARE everywhere ! Like demons, shadows and six legged spiders. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals. Last edited by Iconoclast : 08-23-2010 at 01:11 PM Reason: spelling

08-24-2010, 02:03 AM	#30 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Problematic people are killed all the time. That fact on its own is not even nearly sufficient to claim "conspiracy." Who was saying it was ??? Originally Posted by Iconoclast Furthermore, there is a huge number, many thousands, of much more problematic people in the US alone, who should have been killed by this or that conspiracy. thousands ARE ! And with all due respect , i would not think either of us are in a position to determine the criterion of these assassins . Originally Posted by Iconoclast BUT, they have not been killed. Explanation: there is no conspiracy, only intermittent skullduggery which you interpret as conspiracy. i would look at interpreting your own logic (based on facts and definitions) there . Originally Posted by Iconoclast NO axiom. I have not made the main claims. It is you, ax, who are making the claims - claims of "conspiracy." It is you, ax, who have to provide the evidence. It is Alex Jones who, if he has the evidence to prove JUST ONE of his conspiracy claims can at any time have it tested in the courts. As far as I know, Western courts are the last remaining bastion of relatively good, though imperfect truth and justice. Would the written words of the club of rome , kissinger , holdren , w colby , d rockefeller suffice . the words of churchill, , orwell, b russel, a huxley ,e rothschild, c quigley , z brzezinski , and all the others i quoted in my early infowars thread days at cc ?? Alex has been providing evidence for 12 years , i have been providing evidence for 5 yrs . For a reminder of our success rate , i refer you to the powerful thread - " do you remember" ! Choose one single issue that you feel you could refute and i will provide the evidence sufficient to support the claim . Take your pick ,..instead of dodging the specifics ..which seems to be the favoured approach amongst the FRMCBBPZSS. Originally Posted by Iconoclast Like demons, shadows and six legged spiders. NOT THE YETI, ELVIS ,BIGFOOT,NESSIE, OR PINK UNICORNS EITHER ! I noticed you evaded my last question . People are waking up to their ill,mis,dis and mal - informing msm ! Mainstream Media is Crushing Public Confidence __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 08-24-2010 at 04:54 PM

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