No need to tell elephant or anyone else that "not everbody wants to be a homo". Homosexuality is not a choice! People are born this way! So when it comes to rights, I see no difference in how rights of people should depend on their sexuality etc. If you think that homosexuality is a choice it is not your fault, but the fault of your high school teachers/parents who failed to educate you well. Today, the nature of human sexuality is common knowledge that every adult should know about.

I agree that it is gratuitously mean, but I do not think it should be illegal to be mean - just as I do not think it should be illegal to go the pash on the bus. Both are simple bad manners.



Sorry mate, but the thought of receiving an oral protein injection via pulsing glans has me looking for the door, any door, except for the back door. The word "revolting" fits.


Potentially, yes. You simply haven't been lonely enough in a big city.




I don't understand what joy there is in being a trough monkey, and no amount of "tolerance" is going to stop me being discussed.



If you are not revolted by the idea of actually rubbing your rude bits with the same sex, you are not an ordinary heterosexual. You/they are somewhere between being a practising straight, and a closet bisexual.

Having said that, I still don't care what you do with (or fantasise about) with your rude bits. I don't condemn you/them, nor do I approve of others condemning you/them. However, I will say that should not be condemned for finding the thought of rimming a cowboy gives me reason to chuck up.

Finally, several people have used the word "tolerance." The word has started to get a bad name because it sends the the message that we "don't like you/it/them," but we are not going to do anything about it. Sorry, dudes, but there is nothing wrong with not liking XYZ. Be honest but diplomatic AND be tolerant but not sycophantic.

The above post is simply vile. You have shown that you know how to call homosexual people by various disgusting names. Well done.

Where have I called homosexuals "various disgusting names."

It seems to me, I have disturbed your comfy position - perhaps knocked of a psychological scab.

Perhaps you are, in fact, as revolted as I am?

The above 2 sentences are deliberately antagonistic. What is your problem? This thread is reminding me of chesschat. Why do you have to escalate the animosity in every post?

Try 'trough monkey' and 'rimming a cowboy.' Come on don't plead ignorance. You have used those terms deliberately to cause offence.

1)Homosexuality is not a choice!

People are born this way!

So when it comes to rights, I see no difference in how rights of people should depend on their sexuality ...

If you think that homosexuality is a choice it is not your fault, but the fault of your high school teachers/parents who failed to educate you well.

Today, the nature of human sexuality is common knowledge that every adult should know about.

Sometimes it is. Sometimes it is not.
1. The acts in prison sex are not something heterosexual people get up to outside prison. It is a choice (not counting rape) to engage in homosexual sex. They were not born to seek it out.
2. When a male who has a relative who has HIV/AIDS, he is less likely to
(a.) identify themselves as homosexual or
(b.) to engage in homosexual sex.
This indicates that to some degree, the state of being homosexual is at least in part, a matter of choice for some men.



Most, definitely are. But some are not. I believe that in some islander cultures, the youngest bothers in a family are expected to take on the roll of a "pretend girl."



Agreed.




Maybe, maybe. If the teachers/parents are given incomplete information to in turn give to their students/children, you can hardly blame them for it.



Sadly what you think is "common knowledge" is not so common. The ignorance of ordinary people is shocking. Also, be aware that if we/you/I know something for a long time, we/you/I tend to think that it surely must be common knowledge when it is not. Always assume that the public cannot tell shit from clay.

I deliberately used those terms because they are the actual terms used by actual gays to identify the behaviours of other gays. If you are offended by them, you are being offended by the very terms used socially in the gay community. So, take it up with them. Furthermore, I put it to you again, that I have inadvertently touched a raw nerve - that you are as revolted by some acts of homosexual sex as I am, and you are having difficulty coming to terms with finding this attitude in yourself.

1) Let me repeat once again..Homosexuality is not a Choice.

There is no harm in someone asking another poster to directly reconsider their comments as first port of call. They can always say no!

cheers fg7

AO, many thanks for taking the wishes of the members into account and being transparent about all your Mod decisions

Iconoclast, can you please give us some background about your knowledge of what goes on 'socially in the gay communtiy'.

Some people are born with a condition where they are attracted to both sexes so depending on the situation ... However, once again..this is a condition they are born with

If a teacher is not capable of explaining the roots of human sexuality to the students, he/she should not be teaching!

Nor should a person be teaching if he is not able to explain society norms.

I do understand that many of the school teachers are poorly educated themselves ... and I must say i was appauled by incompetence that some of the teachers were demonstrating with the subject matters they were supposed to be teaching to students. Furthermore, some of the teachers were not even fully aware of things that every high school graduate should know.

We agree that ignorance of ordinary people is shocking at times. The question is..should we accept it or should we try to change it? In fact this is why i am more disturbed by your comments rather than by Fisher-Fan's.

For a school teacher to use kind of language that you use at times to describe and discuss homosexuals is simply not acceptable.

You are an educated person...if a person is blessed with education it is his/her moral and social responsbility to disserminate the knowledge and to ensure that the knowledge he/she passes around is accurate. The same applies to the language you use...if you are using words/expressions such as "WTF" and "s..it" in your writing and tolerate use of terms e.g "f...ot" in relation to homosexuals, I assume you are going to be embarassed if your students read your Ozchess positings one day.

Hi everyone

Yes I did find the words faggot, homo, trough monkey and rimming a cowboy offensive.

These words demonstrate a lot more about the people using those words than whole threads ever could.

OHHH! so now it is a "condition" - something to be cured.




Teaching what? Woodwork, Computer Graphics? Get real, the best and brightest professors cannot agree on it. Teachers are ordinary people who teach their field and do not go into dangerous areas. Only those trained to do so do so.



Firstly, I don't think you have much of a grasp of what is or isn't a social norm. I think you are confusing your personal standard with what is "normal." You may be kind and respectful. The problem is, that that is not the social norm, but is what teachers try to teach by example.



Tell us what is your "profession" is and we can all slag them off too.



Are you calling me ignorant? Wow, nobody has said that about me for twenty years. :



I am a chess player here on a bulletin board. What are you, Mother Teresa?



[BTW, I don't use the word faggot.]

If I was going to be embarrassed by what I post here, I would not post it. I am confident that I am on firm ground to post what I post. My intent is to be fair dinkum with you. Furthermore, being as you put it, an "educated person" I mostly talk sense with the odd dropping of shit, but mostly thoughtful educated shit. :