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[Today 02:05 AM] - V -: V
[Today 01:45 AM] - V -: I wonder how many times kb's seeming apparent fixation on the relatively inconsequential has managed to deflect him from the main line in his life ? ..... does he not catch a bus , because the rear panel is not clean ? , does he miss his way to the shops because he passed 28 lamp posts and not the expected 27 ? does he dismiss an argument to buy a toaster because the salesman was out by 0.3 second in estimating cooking time ? lost in the minutae , indeed !
[Today 01:34 AM] - V -:
[Today 01:28 AM] - V -: but after many sessions im confident of breaking through even the thickest of sheep skulls !
[Today 01:27 AM] - V -: which is what would happen to kb and fatty if they actually could read outside of their narrow stream .
[Today 01:26 AM] - V -: lol ..so if you want to actually improve your chances of being better informed , read daily at Jeff Rense Program, Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!, www.republicbroadcastingnetwork.com [3] , www.globalresearch.com , Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com ......once you start researching you'll find your smile relocating from one side of your face to the other
[Today 01:22 AM] - V -: no one up to debate me ?
[Today 01:16 AM] - V -: ( for a blueprint of the basic de-programming technique , you saw in action tonight : http://www.ozchess.com.au/non-chess-...n-sources.html go on try it on others , just remember the list of stories are all REAL and SIGNIFICANT , critically important ...watch for sheep trying to weazel on this .....kb was smart enough not to try , so jumped into the fire by arguing they're maybe more reported on than im asserting , of course he knows full well theyre rarely known !)
[Today 01:09 AM] - V -:
[Today 01:06 AM] - V -: sorry, i love poking the arrogant sheep with sharp sticks .........its for theirs and the community's greater benefit ...very much so ...and knowing why that is , is level 4 deprog .
[Today 01:05 AM] - V -: btw fatty - what is promis software ? ...lol
[Today 01:00 AM] - V -: .. right , now whose next ? ........and yes you bet im in the mood !
[Today 12:58 AM] - V -: any ideas why knowing that might be important ? ...ok that is a level 2 deprog question ..sorry ..yikes !
[Today 12:57 AM] - V -: ..because afterall , shouldn't more ppl know that the usa govt once at joint chief of staff level proposed false flag attacking another country ?
[Today 12:55 AM] - V -: So , try this deprogramming technique on others and watch for these classic programmed defence mechanisms
[Today 12:50 AM] - V -: fatty - has never presented a single item of fact or evidence in this debate , and as you can see, solely ad hom attacks ...fatty - clearly finds this topic extremely distressing to his psyche .
[Today 12:49 AM] - V -: note kb's disproportional excitement at finding one more msm news story in 50 yrs ...notice how he completely lost sight of the basis of the argument ,..notice as well when his distraction failed to get me off topic , and was bombarded with many stories he knew he coudnt satisfactorily defend , he ran , claiming victory !
[Today 12:44 AM] - V -: the ego - cannot generally bear the notion that its been effectively conned all its life ,..so all attempts at diffusion are made ..and we saw many examples of this tonight from kb and fatty
[Today 12:42 AM] - V -: the ego is another important aspect to consider when trying to deprogram a sheep
[Today 12:42 AM] - V -: .. it undermines their very foundation of self , and their "educated" view of the world .
[Today 12:41 AM] - V -: i find academics ( of which im one , so qualified to criticise) are generally the most stubborn and most cognitively dissonant ...its becuase they have invested so much of their idea of self into the illusion , and anyone that challenges this paradigm is extremely threatening and disturbing .
[Today 12:39 AM] - V -: i wonder if theyre even aware enough to question why msm market share is plummetting , i wonder if that permeates their thick brainwashed skulls at all
[Today 12:38 AM] - V -: really , i think they just cant bring themselves to exalt the virtues of alex jones , infowars , jeff rense , global research , RBN , and many other informative internet news sites
[Today 12:36 AM] - V -: for the clear thinker there is much to study in tonight's classic exchange between the relatively informed and the relatively uninformed
[Today 12:35 AM] - V -: this is why i , and many others refer to this seeming wilful blindness as cognitive dissonance ie. the holding of 2 or more contradictory ideas at the same time .. ie. they know the msm fails to properly inform , but refuse to look at evidence of stories they (largely) ignore ! ... this puts them in a frantic state of mind , as exhibited by their trivial,pointless and nonsensical shouts this evening .
[Today 12:32 AM] - V -: anyway , its all there , for all to see ,.......but just how many will see the point even then !?
[Today 12:31 AM] - V -: it doesnt matter how many factual real significant stories you throw in their face , they just grin inanely , rolling their eyes , and nit pick on the smallest point their tiny brains can muster ! lol
[Today 12:29 AM] - V -: to me there is nothing more reviling or pathetic than the blind cocky ignorant programmed dolts
[Today 12:28 AM] - V -: the sad thing is that theyll go back to their newspapers , back to their abc and sbs news , and never be any the wiser
[Today 12:28 AM] - V -: kb is such a cog dissed mess , he thinks by finding 2 stories and not 1 in the last 5o yrs on northwoods he somehow sweeps the debate table ! lol ... i know , i wouldnt have believed it , but there it was tonight for all to see ....the point blank refusal , yet again , to engage the thrust of the debate
[Today 12:25 AM] - V -: .. and jaydon ... what is your excuse for abandoning your post ?
[Today 12:22 AM] - V -: V=Victory !
[Today 12:22 AM] - V -: incredible ? yes it most certainly is .
[Today 12:21 AM] - V -: i mean , they clearly know that any story they havent heard about is not worth googling , as they either already know about it , or its inconsequential !
[Today 12:20 AM] - V -: however , im not expecting a huge amount of intellectual courage from either of them
[Today 12:19 AM] - V -: .. we can only hope
[Today 12:19 AM] - V -: i wonder if later theyll actually use google for those stories ..
[Today 12:18 AM] - V -: its very disturbing to the likes of kb and fatts that their precious little deluded world is under such direct and forceful attack
[Today 12:17 AM] - V -: whilst kb absorbs himself in meaningless small picture newspaper poll analysis , and fatts , well, he must just watch cartoons , such is his seemingly abysmal appreciation for factual reality
[Today 12:17 AM] Jaydon: pass it on to V
[Today 12:17 AM] Jaydon: I should probably consider resigning from here as a moderator given how infrequent my visits are becoming
[Today 12:14 AM] - V -: i wonder if kb or fatts ever reflect on their intellectual bankruptcy regarding this
[Today 12:10 AM] - V -: "they live"
[Today 12:09 AM] Jaydon: cool movie though, V for vendetta
[Today 12:09 AM] - V -: repeat 50 times
[Today 12:09 AM] fatty owls: v cant help running his mouth off.
[Today 12:09 AM] - V -: lets all repeat together - the msm informs , if i dont know about something , it must be inconsequential.
[Today 12:08 AM] Jaydon: it's okay i forgive you Mr V
[Today 12:08 AM] - V -: i do not know how i got into my head the msm ill informs ...really ..so sorry...
[Today 12:07 AM] - V -: and you know al about codex , gladio ,promis , very very sorry
[Today 12:07 AM] - V -: and you know all about agenda21 , sorry again
[Today 12:06 AM] - V -: i mean hasnt everyone heard of op northwoods ???
[Today 12:06 AM] - V -: yeah sorry fatty , i forgot you had heard of op northwoods , sorry , forgive me
[Today 12:05 AM] fatty owls: you make the claims but dont provide evidence. the burden of proof is on your shoulders but you defuse to accept the responsibility. YOU FAIL !!
[Today 12:05 AM] - V -: i present facts , they present nothing but tiny picture nit picking and baseless abuse
[Today 12:05 AM] - V -: but clear to see for all
[Today 12:05 AM] - V -: fatty has never answered a single serious question here ever , but he snipes away
[Today 12:04 AM] fatty owls: on a saturday night ax turns into -v- and loses the plot
[Today 12:04 AM] - V -: fatty isnt that smart ! lol
[Today 12:04 AM] fatty owls: your a complete twit
[Today 12:04 AM] Jaydon: Is this all that happens in the sb nowadays?
[Today 12:04 AM] - V -: kb ran , when he knew he was being obliterated
[Today 12:03 AM] fatty owls: ax puts his hand up answering "yes i can" !!
[Today 12:03 AM] - V -: like fatty is really well informed jaydon
[Today 12:03 AM] Jaydon: reverse ventriloquist act anyone
[Today 12:03 AM] - V -: and promis software , again a total fabrication ..afterall if fatty or kb havent heard about it , it must be inconsequential !
[Today 12:03 AM] fatty owls: well theres shit coming out of ax's mouth constantly so it isnt totally unimaginable
[Today 12:02 AM] Jaydon: Imagine if someone actually could talk out their ass
[Today 12:02 AM] fatty owls: its a bit hard when your such a serial offender
[Today 12:02 AM] - V -: please forgive me
[Today 12:01 AM] fatty owls: i dont realise you could use google since it was proven tonight by k.b. that you were talking out of your rectum in regards to how many msm had reported this issue. maybe you should consider learning how to use it properly next time yourself !
[Today 12:01 AM] - V -: sorry fatty , i didnt realise how proportionally well the op northwoods story has really been covered in the msm over the last 50 yrs , even though none of you had heard about it ,..lol..
[Today 12:00 AM] - V -: and infragard has a web site linked to the fbi , but its totally made up ! dont google it ! whatever you do !
[Today 12:00 AM] fatty owls: nobody cares. i repeat NOBODY CARES.
[Yesterday 11:59 PM] fatty owls: your an idiot. if only you could keep to the topic and not revert to your usual tangents
[Yesterday 11:59 PM] - V -: oh and agenda 21 pure fiction , terribly sorry , please go back to sleep
[Yesterday 11:59 PM] - V -: yes op northwoods is totally made up , sorry
[Yesterday 11:59 PM] Jaydon: what happened to fatty, he's talking funny
[Yesterday 11:59 PM] fatty owls: your so arrogant it really is appalling
[Yesterday 11:58 PM] fatty owls: or axiom dreams up facts then gets make to look considerably silly !
[Yesterday 11:58 PM] - V -: oh yes sorry fatty , i'll have to remember that you know all this stuff , so sorry , please forgive me ! lol
[Yesterday 11:58 PM] - V -: unless theres a show called shooting fish in a barrel jaydon !
[Yesterday 11:58 PM] fatty owls: as has been proved tonight.
[Yesterday 11:57 PM] fatty owls: well its never stopped you from making stuff up ax.
[Yesterday 11:57 PM] Jaydon: don't know about it being better then tv though
[Yesterday 11:57 PM] - V -: you just cant make this stuff up !
[Yesterday 11:57 PM] - V -: oh yes - negligible ! lol ...like you know all about them ! lol
[Yesterday 11:56 PM] - V -: typical lol
[Yesterday 11:56 PM] fatty owls: look your just too arrogant to assume that people not knowing about negligible news stories are ignorant. grow up will you.
[Yesterday 11:56 PM] - V -: yes run away before i expose how ill informed you actually are ! lol
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: night all!
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] - V -: yes sorry kb, i forgot you knew all this
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: and a great injustice has been rectified ... for now
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: not just this evening, but of many other evenings besides
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] - V -: oh sorry , you know all this , please beg my pardon
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: anyway, my work here this evening is done
[Yesterday 11:54 PM] - V -: and operation gladio was ?
[Yesterday 11:54 PM] Kevin Bonham: now of course there are plenty of these terms you're throwing about that i was not familiar with before coming across your ravings. that makes it all the more disappointing that my guide to this new territory is so clearly unreliable
[Yesterday 11:54 PM] - V -: oh and fatty tell us all about the fabien society and their emblem please ,..i mean youre so well informed
[Yesterday 11:54 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't think you're in a position to talk about being inane with your constant inane nonsense about sheep and getting informed
[Yesterday 11:54 PM] - V -: oh you know about promis software scandal do you ?
[Yesterday 11:53 PM] fatty owls: giggling inanely seems to be your forte ax.
[Yesterday 11:53 PM] Kevin Bonham: among others
[Yesterday 11:53 PM] - V -: its much easier to giggle inanely isnt it ?
[Yesterday 11:53 PM] - V -: oh well done kb !
[Yesterday 11:52 PM] Kevin Bonham: i had obviously heard of bilderberg, even before joining it
[Yesterday 11:52 PM] - V -: oh sorry kb and fatty , i should have known you knew all about these rarely reported stories ...sorry to bother you ...
[Yesterday 11:52 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't remember if i'd heard of it before i encountered your waffle but i may well have
[Yesterday 11:51 PM] - V -: talk about deluded
[Yesterday 11:51 PM] - V -: yeah you and all the ppl you know all knew about op northwoods ! lol
[Yesterday 11:51 PM] fatty owls: your ocean of reality has fish corpses and oil spills polluting its body
[Yesterday 11:51 PM] Kevin Bonham: well you falsely claimed there was only one such doco - an example of your low quality disinformation based on slackness
[Yesterday 11:51 PM] - V -: yeah high quality information like that op northwoods doco on tv ! lol
[Yesterday 11:50 PM] Kevin Bonham: yeah sure, try taking the cap off
[Yesterday 11:50 PM] - V -: whilst you piddle in the rock pool i photograph the wide open ocean of reality
[Yesterday 11:50 PM] Kevin Bonham: if you provided high quality information there would be much to thank you for. you don't. you regurgitate misunderstood conspiracist beatups and add new layers of exaggeration
[Yesterday 11:49 PM] fatty owls: i think you might find that introversion isnt all that helpful ax
[Yesterday 11:49 PM] Kevin Bonham: the point is that you throw about claims to be informed about these issues but it is often easy to prove that you are clueless about them
[Yesterday 11:49 PM] - V -: yeah no problem guys
[Yesterday 11:49 PM] - V -: yes , no , thx , V , for letting us know about these
[Yesterday 11:49 PM] - V -: yeah you 2 really are so informed lol
[Yesterday 11:49 PM] - V -: and promis software
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] - V -: and operation gladio
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] - V -: oh and codex ailimentarius
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] Kevin Bonham: no point playing if you won't admit when you are busted
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] fatty owls: its true im giggling. believe me every time i talk to you ax i nearly fall off my chair.
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] - V -: and agenda21 , and how yuove never heard of them so it must be just inconsequential stuff ! lol
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] Kevin Bonham: you have to resign game 1 before we start game 2
[Yesterday 11:48 PM] Kevin Bonham: you're not informed at all -v- as i have demonstrated this evening
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] - V -: im still waiting on what infragard is yawn
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] Kevin Bonham: correct, he likes being bellicose but when it comes to doing the work he is just hopelessly lazy
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] fatty owls: a very unhinged chipmunk
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] - V -: yeah but i did have the effort to get informed unlike you too giggling dolts
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] Kevin Bonham: it's like a chipmunk in a silly squeaky voice saying "take me seriously! i am very big and fierce!"
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] fatty owls: just aggressive blunderings
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] fatty owls: that would require effort and axiom isnt big on effort
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] Kevin Bonham: *gravitas*!!!! *laughs*
[Yesterday 11:47 PM] - V -: and nor do you care , evidently ,kb
[Yesterday 11:46 PM] Kevin Bonham: you're the one making the assertions, so you should have the data
[Yesterday 11:46 PM] - V -: youre making fools of yourself by trying to nit pick me instead of embracing the gravitas of my claim
[Yesterday 11:46 PM] Kevin Bonham: as for the question how many do i think would know about it, i don't know as i have no data to base such an assessment on
[Yesterday 11:45 PM] Kevin Bonham: ok i take that as retraction of your clumsily expressed previous claim
[Yesterday 11:45 PM] - V -: i mean all the ppl kb and fatts know have heard of op northwoods ! lol
[Yesterday 11:45 PM] - V -: read my first 11:44 for clarification you really shouldnt need kb
[Yesterday 11:45 PM] fatty owls: so how can i think its crazy paranoid talk as you so willingly offer as proof ?
[Yesterday 11:44 PM] - V -: stop being obtuse fatt , you know damn well youve never heard of any of these stories
[Yesterday 11:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: ah so your claim "most think op northwoods is crazy paranoid talk" wasn't true
[Yesterday 11:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: well you said "most think op northwoods is crazy paranoid talk". if that's true that implies at least 51/100 have heard of it
[Yesterday 11:44 PM] - V -: they have mostly never heard of it , if they have they dismiss it ignorantly like you and fatt
[Yesterday 11:43 PM] fatty owls: stop being lazy
[Yesterday 11:43 PM] fatty owls: the burden of proof is yours
[Yesterday 11:43 PM] - V -: and how many do you think out there out of a 100 would know about northwoods ? 1 ? 4 ?
[Yesterday 11:43 PM] Kevin Bonham: these positions are mutually exclusive
[Yesterday 11:43 PM] Kevin Bonham: now which is your position here? (a) most people have not heard of northwoods (b) most people have heard of it but think it is nutter talk
[Yesterday 11:42 PM] fatty owls: nobody cares and .............. nobody cares.
[Yesterday 11:42 PM] - V -: which it isnt yes ? it was a jcs turned down proposal
[Yesterday 11:42 PM] Kevin Bonham: now that's the sort of thing that could almost be genuinely mistaken for cog diss!
[Yesterday 11:41 PM] Kevin Bonham: so what, you're saying that most haven't heard of it, but also that most think it's crazy paranoid talk?
[Yesterday 11:41 PM] - V -: youre both getting your proverbial asses kicked
[Yesterday 11:41 PM] - V -: you know as well as i do most think op northwoods is crazy paranoid talk ,... you two being prime suckers !
[Yesterday 11:41 PM] fatty owls: occasionally you win the lottery but for the most time you strike out consistently making absurd claims.
[Yesterday 11:40 PM] - V -: well did you ? did fatty ? .. do your friends family etc ...cmon stop being so obtuse !
[Yesterday 11:40 PM] fatty owls: speculation is ax's main attribute. its high risk.
[Yesterday 11:39 PM] Kevin Bonham: ax i think you need to admit that your performance tonight has been one of the utmost ignosheepishness
[Yesterday 11:39 PM] Kevin Bonham: how do you know how many know about northwoods and how many don't? is there a poll on the issue?
[Yesterday 11:39 PM] fatty owls: only trivial if you are comprehensibly proven to be incorrect on the matter at hand.
[Yesterday 11:38 PM] - V -: kb - why then dont more know that usa govt proposed f flags ???? you know if the media is so informing ??? lol
[Yesterday 11:38 PM] Kevin Bonham: relatively trivial? so trivial that you repeated claims about it over and over and continually bang on about it
[Yesterday 11:38 PM] fatty owls: note how axiom hasnt yet discovered how to use google !
[Yesterday 11:37 PM] - V -: note how the kb brain fixates on the relatively trivial matter in the big picture ! .. whats new you say !
[Yesterday 11:37 PM] Kevin Bonham: you need to admit that although you waffle about MSM undercoverage you don't do the most basic research required to back your claims
[Yesterday 11:37 PM] - V -: oh and operation gladio
[Yesterday 11:37 PM] Kevin Bonham: you need to admit that you falsely claimed there was only 1 MSM report and then when shown evidence of another foolishly claimed to be certain there were only 2
[Yesterday 11:37 PM] - V -: you know all about these dont you , you know with your all informing msm
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] - V -: um..and codex ailimentarius , and agenda21
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] fatty owls: well what a surprise that axiom is proven incorrect once again.
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] Kevin Bonham: well -v- before we rack up the pieces for those games i think you need to resign the one in progress
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] - V -: oh and promis software
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] Kevin Bonham: anyway it is abundantly clear there are more than 2
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] - V -: im still waiting on what infragard is
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] Kevin Bonham: there might well have been more than 20 given the number of references i can see from a quick google for: operation northwoods mainstream coverage
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] fatty owls: of course he was. he's completely informed !!!
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] - V -: even if there were 20 more it would still not be proportionate to the import ! get it ???
[Yesterday 11:34 PM] Kevin Bonham: now ax was certain there were only 2 mainstream reports of op northwoods
[Yesterday 11:34 PM] fatty owls: youve even given yourself a special monicker. thats funny and .............really quite sad !
[Yesterday 11:33 PM] - V -: then what about the promis software scandal , same thing
[Yesterday 11:33 PM] - V -: ok what is infragard ? and why havent you heard of it before ? is it news worthy ?
[Yesterday 11:33 PM] - V -: stop ridiculing reality researchers when clearly you are being debated into a corner
[Yesterday 11:32 PM] fatty owls: you need to get another hobby
[Yesterday 11:32 PM] - V -: why the incredible resistance to this ? that is interesting in itself
[Yesterday 11:32 PM] fatty owls: proportionate ?
[Yesterday 11:31 PM] fatty owls: nobody knows more than the hound !!
[Yesterday 11:31 PM] fatty owls: hes....... super ax media hound !!!!
[Yesterday 11:31 PM] - V -: even if there were 20 more it would still not be proportionate to the import ! get it ???
[Yesterday 11:31 PM] Kevin Bonham: how are you certain?
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] - V -: yes
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] Kevin Bonham: are you certain there are no more?
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] fatty owls: who said the story warranted interest ?
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] - V -: my evidence is clear - there are none but 2 stories over 50 yrs on the msm ... adequate ?????
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] Kevin Bonham: you tell me and provide evidence if you think it's so interesting
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] fatty owls: the burden of proof is never axioms !!
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] - V -: ok kb tell everyone what infragard is , and whether it has been proportionally and adequately dealt with by the msm
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: *just checking*
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: have i accomplished my mission yet?
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: nothing to address as you provide no evidence
[Yesterday 11:28 PM] fatty owls: thats another popular trait of axioms
[Yesterday 11:28 PM] - V -: yeah sure kb , you still cant address - my claim is correct , the huge story of ff proposal at jcs level has been grossly under reported over the years
[Yesterday 11:28 PM] Kevin Bonham: now you can keep repeating that twaddle but it doesn't make it true
[Yesterday 11:28 PM] - V -: ok are we ready for story 2 out of a 100 ?
[Yesterday 11:28 PM] Kevin Bonham: no, but it shows that you are clueless about the subject and need to research your case better
[Yesterday 11:27 PM] - V -: my claim is correct , the huge story of ff proposal at jcs level has been grossly under reported over the years
[Yesterday 11:27 PM] - V -: oh so 2 wins the debate does it ??? stop being an idiot
[Yesterday 11:27 PM] - V -: my claim is correct , the huge story of ff proposal at jcs level has been grossly under reported over the years
[Yesterday 11:27 PM] fatty owls: sorry onmiscient overlord
[Yesterday 11:27 PM] Kevin Bonham: you said there was one and i showed you there were two. i've already doubled your knowledge of the subject (this took me <5 minutes)
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] - V -: try and stick on point
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] Kevin Bonham: bit of a badge of honour to be accused of arrogance by -v-
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] - V -: now you know that is correct , otherwise youd be able to cite a tv doco mentioning northwoods
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] Kevin Bonham: just asserting like an ignobot
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] fatty owls: and i get accused of being arrogant. what a laugh !!
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] Kevin Bonham: say it all you like but you are not providing evidence
[Yesterday 11:25 PM] - V -: my claim is correct , the huge story of ff proposal at jcs level has been grossly under reported over the years
[Yesterday 11:25 PM] Kevin Bonham: you haven't provided any evidence for me to make a dent in. it's all just one big ipse dixit from someone who is clearly too lazy to research the actual facts
[Yesterday 11:25 PM] Kevin Bonham: yes FA, i think - v - shares that character trait with antichrist. the loudness and pomposity of their declarations of victory is always inversely proportional to how much they're getting towelled
[Yesterday 11:25 PM] - V -: and you cant make a dent in that assertion
[Yesterday 11:24 PM] - V -: no , my claim is correct , the huge story of ff proposal at jcs level has been grossly under reported over the years
[Yesterday 11:24 PM] Kevin Bonham: have a proper look
[Yesterday 11:24 PM] Kevin Bonham: you said there was only 1, i showed you there were at least 2, do you really think there will be no others?
[Yesterday 11:23 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't have to. your claim, you substantiate it with evidence rather than an argument of the form "oh there can't be any because i'm too lazy to have looked"
[Yesterday 11:23 PM] - V -: no you cant , we have 2, abc and cnn - big fkn deal ! over 50 fkn years !~
[Yesterday 11:22 PM] - V -: oh so you can point to countless msm stories on northwoods can you ??????
[Yesterday 11:22 PM] Kevin Bonham: there is abundant evidence proving my claim there
[Yesterday 11:22 PM] Kevin Bonham: i told you what term to google. have you done so?
[Yesterday 11:22 PM] - V -: oh , by adding one extra news sstory over 50 yrs , which you cant even link to !! lol you are delusional
[Yesterday 11:21 PM] fatty owls: i sometimes wonder if all this bluster from axiom is just a ruse to garner attention that he might otherwise not receive. it really is appalling the lack of logic he panders out and deludes himself into thinking he has a "pressing argument.
[Yesterday 11:21 PM] Kevin Bonham: there is no central point because you have no evidence
[Yesterday 11:21 PM] Kevin Bonham: a minor point? hardly. i showed that the sole factual claim you've made to back your underreporting was codswallop of a grotesquely clueless level
[Yesterday 11:21 PM] - V -: anything but address my central point eh ????
[Yesterday 11:21 PM] Kevin Bonham: and more of the strawmanning too. my point is that your ignorance on that point shows that nothing you say about underreporting can be trusted
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] - V -: you dont even know you suffer from it !
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] - V -: you see how you leap on a minor point and think that it attacks the base of my argument
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: and here we go with "cog diss" again - a buzz term you throw about but do not understand
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] - V -: but kb - your cog diss apparently prevents you from seeing how one extra msm news story on it doesnt detract from my central argument
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: (it's a rather subjective concept anyway)
[Yesterday 11:19 PM] Kevin Bonham: you're *asserting* that the stories are under-reported but you don't know that
[Yesterday 11:19 PM] Kevin Bonham: but you're not proving it at all. you don't even know the most basic facts about the level of reporting
[Yesterday 11:19 PM] Kevin Bonham: but did not know the most basic fact about which american network first screened it
[Yesterday 11:18 PM] - V -: can others see how you repeatedly avoid the thrust of my argument - which is proving our msm is woefully ill informing by going through countless cases of real and significant news stories under-reported by msm
[Yesterday 11:18 PM] Kevin Bonham: now what disappoints me here is that - v - is so passionate about all this underreporting of northwoods stuff and bangs on about it constantly
[Yesterday 11:17 PM] Kevin Bonham: that's fine dean but declaring it to be a draw without doing so is just as premature. as with ax you need to learn when to say you just don't know
[Yesterday 11:17 PM] hobsonbay player: if i sat down worked out who WON KB, it would eat into my sleep !
[Yesterday 11:17 PM] Kevin Bonham: you see, there are many things i am very interested in, and on all of them when commenting publicly i take considerable care to be as accurate as possible
[Yesterday 11:16 PM] Kevin Bonham: anyway - v - i'm quite disappointed in your form this evening
[Yesterday 11:16 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't habitually watch such docos
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] - V -: but you said you werent even sure of the non reporting or otherwise of northwoods by the msm ....... ever seen a tv documentary mention it ? you know in those warfare docos ?
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] Kevin Bonham: but - v - i'm actually quite disappointed in you this evening
[Yesterday 11:14 PM] Kevin Bonham: call it a draw? what a fencesitter
[Yesterday 11:14 PM] hobsonbay player: great entertainment call it a draw ! time for bed , night all
[Yesterday 11:14 PM] Kevin Bonham: well if you were able to discuss nonreporting in an informed manner i might find that passingly interesting
[Yesterday 11:13 PM] - V -: just a yes or no , primarily , please
[Yesterday 11:13 PM] - V -: oh i see , and any disscussion therefore on what theyre NOT reporting about is of little interest to you , correct ?
[Yesterday 11:13 PM] Kevin Bonham: i'm sure i'm not missing any so-called point
[Yesterday 11:12 PM] - V -: oh ok , so youre sure there isnt one , ok....
[Yesterday 11:12 PM] Kevin Bonham: because the principle that the MSM overreports some issues and underreports others is something i view as uncontroversial - and not generally requiring sensationalist explanation
[Yesterday 11:12 PM] - V -: i asked why finding the answer is not important to you ?
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] Kevin Bonham: i'm sure there isn't one
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] - V -: ..again " ..and why not for you " 11:10pm
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] - V -: no no , again you miss the point
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] - V -: i said - and why not for you ?
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] Kevin Bonham: for me the principle that the MSM overreports some issues and underreports others is well established
[Yesterday 11:10 PM] - V -: no no , you didnt answer
[Yesterday 11:10 PM] Kevin Bonham: well it is one of your pet issues
[Yesterday 11:10 PM] - V -: and why not for you ?
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] Kevin Bonham: it may be for you!
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] - V -: do you think its important to find out ?
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] - V -: ok , next question ...
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] Kevin Bonham: in answer to your question: i don't know and nor do you
[Yesterday 11:08 PM] - V -: you keep dodging the question why is that , all over a fleck of dust in the powerfull ointment ??
[Yesterday 11:08 PM] Kevin Bonham: you owe your audience an apology. you should also say 67 hail tonkins and abase yourself before a statue of alex jones and apologise for letting him down
[Yesterday 11:08 PM] Kevin Bonham: and to think that you always tell people to wake up and be informed. but you were *not* informed on the basic question of MSM coverage of one of your own pet issues
[Yesterday 11:07 PM] - V -: kb - yes or no ...do you think the msm has proportionally covered the story of northwoods over the years , given its level of import ( even at your most watered down level of appreciation of such)
[Yesterday 11:07 PM] Kevin Bonham: also get back to me if you need a cloth to clean up the egg you put on your own face by being sceptical of my assertion
[Yesterday 11:07 PM] Kevin Bonham: if you still want to dispute the facts of what i'm saying when you see that even some of your fellow misguided travellers also refer to the CNN event then get back to me
[Yesterday 11:06 PM] - V -: ok again
[Yesterday 11:06 PM] Kevin Bonham: google: operation northwoods cnn 1998 cold war
[Yesterday 11:06 PM] Kevin Bonham: further? that assumes you have commenced
[Yesterday 11:06 PM] fatty owls: you had to edit that twice. you clown
[Yesterday 11:05 PM] - V -: just tell me when you give up kb , or i will further humiliate you intellectually
[Yesterday 11:05 PM] Kevin Bonham: not unable, just not your research assistant
[Yesterday 11:04 PM] Kevin Bonham: so off you go with the usual batch of strawmanning, picture-shifting, abuse, baronesque drivel about the "big picture" etc
[Yesterday 11:04 PM] - V -: no you were exposed as unable to furnish the evidence !
[Yesterday 11:04 PM] Kevin Bonham: not at all, you're the one on the hook here since you've now been exposed as clueless on the question of media coverage of one of your pet issues
[Yesterday 11:04 PM] - V -: oh like a jcs proposal unreported adequately given its inherent import , not enough ??? lol
[Yesterday 11:03 PM] - V -: look at you wriggle and squirm ! lol
[Yesterday 11:03 PM] Kevin Bonham: well you should pick examples where you can make a sound case
[Yesterday 11:03 PM] - V -: no it has always been my central one !!!
[Yesterday 11:02 PM] Kevin Bonham: that's a much broader issue
[Yesterday 11:02 PM] - V -: so , do i understand this correctly , you dont particularly care how well the msm informs the populace ? yes or no ?
[Yesterday 11:01 PM] - V -: you still refuse to give a yes or no ...noted
[Yesterday 11:00 PM] Kevin Bonham: no, what you are to do according to me is to withhold judgement until you have done your research in such a manner as to be informed on the question
[Yesterday 11:00 PM] - V -: you dont particulary care ??
[Yesterday 11:00 PM] - V -: so kb , am i to believe , according to you , that the media coverage of northwoods is both proportional and adequate , given its degree of import ?
[Yesterday 11:00 PM] Kevin Bonham: well it's clear you don't have the first clue whether it has or not, while i just don't particularly care
[Yesterday 10:59 PM] - V -: and indeed , proportional in the "education" system - unis etc
[Yesterday 10:58 PM] Kevin Bonham: no, it's fact. you just seem to have the absurd belief that there will necessarily be a link to a 13 year old TV doco
[Yesterday 10:58 PM] - V -: right we turn yet again to the central thrust , has coverage of northwoods been proportional in the media ?
[Yesterday 10:57 PM] - V -: ok withdraw it then
[Yesterday 10:56 PM] Kevin Bonham: not your research assistant
[Yesterday 10:56 PM] - V -: link to the cnn please for the record then
[Yesterday 10:56 PM] Kevin Bonham: given how many attacks occur all the time, i would consider 100 demonstrated FF attacks since 1900 to be sufficient evidence that FFs are reasonably common
[Yesterday 10:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't trust your claim "a couple of isolated MSM stories" to be factual given that you didn't even know the most basic fact of which station first aired it
[Yesterday 10:55 PM] - V -: no it is you who look to dodge at the nearest opportunity
[Yesterday 10:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: if you want to make the claim that false flag attacks are common then you need to make it with reference to actual false flag attacks that have occurred
[Yesterday 10:54 PM] - V -: you think that a couple of isolated msm stories on northwoods is proportional to its import and adequate .. yes or no ?
[Yesterday 10:54 PM] Kevin Bonham: aaaah, defeated on specifics yet again we see this "big picture" rubbish trotted out instead of acknowledgement of defeat, what a lame dodge
[Yesterday 10:53 PM] - V -: but you see kb you dont understand the big picture , you dont understand that false flag attacks are common , you dont understand why your media fail to proportionally report on them
[Yesterday 10:52 PM] Kevin Bonham: actually it was originally covered on CNN
[Yesterday 10:52 PM] - V -: oh so a tv doco on msm on false flags is not demanded given the facts ?
[Yesterday 10:51 PM] Kevin Bonham: it *is* newsworthy - but not to the point of deserving 4 page spreads every fortnight 13 years after release of documnets
[Yesterday 10:51 PM] - V -: only abc-america covered it about 10 yrs ago , as far as msm tv is concerned
[Yesterday 10:50 PM] - V -: even at your watered down appraisal , it still is i argue most news worthy , given the context of the concept of FALSE FLAG !
[Yesterday 10:50 PM] Kevin Bonham: what do you actually know about the level of coverage in the last 50 yrs?
[Yesterday 10:49 PM] - V -: ..i know you want to escape my point at all costs ...but what about the reflection of said news in the media coverage over the last 50 yrs >???
[Yesterday 10:49 PM] Kevin Bonham: another precursor is an accurate empirical assessment of actual coverage, and i put it to you that you have no such assessment and are incapable of conducting it
[Yesterday 10:48 PM] Kevin Bonham: again you're strawmanning. i just think a correct discussion of the contexts should be a precursor to even beginning to assess proportionality
[Yesterday 10:48 PM] - V -: oh so , just tossing about the notion at jcs level of fals flagging is nothing to be highlighted in the media according to bonham !
[Yesterday 10:47 PM] Kevin Bonham: and it would be news if any country in a near-war situation with another was *not* having those kinds of deliberations
[Yesterday 10:47 PM] - V -: oh i see that makes it all the less reportable by the media lololol ... get a grip ! geezus!
[Yesterday 10:47 PM] Kevin Bonham: and then the so-called plans and so-called proposals are ideas on that conditional basis
[Yesterday 10:46 PM] Kevin Bonham: the context is that there is a request along the lines of <suppose that we wanted to attack cuba, how would we do it?>
[Yesterday 10:46 PM] - V -: oh i see ok lol ... so they didnt mention attacking planes and ships and falsely blaming another country yes ?
[Yesterday 10:46 PM] Kevin Bonham: nor do they exist in the context you want them to
[Yesterday 10:45 PM] - V -: so the context of a jcs document is insufficient yes ?
[Yesterday 10:45 PM] Kevin Bonham: they're perfectly explicit. they just don't say what you want them to
[Yesterday 10:45 PM] - V -: oh so the jcs documents were not explicit enough for you, correct ?
[Yesterday 10:45 PM] Kevin Bonham: you need to consider actual context
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: mu
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] - V -: a us govt proposal at jcs level to false flag attack ships and planes of another coutry has not been proportionally adequately reported in the media over the last 50 yrs ... yes or no ?
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: in the case of the MSM coverage i greatly doubt you are in a position to quantitatively comment
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: in the case of the JCS documents you have shown continually you do not understand the evidence
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] - V -: so lets ask again shall we .. ?
[Yesterday 10:43 PM] - V -: Which you dither and dather on, without actually facing the hub of this claim
[Yesterday 10:43 PM] - V -: except i have evidence kb to support it , LIKE THE JCS DOCUMENTS AND THE PAUCITY OF MSM COVERAGE !!! GET IT ?
[Yesterday 10:42 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't even need an intellectual leg to stand on on this one sunshine, i can take your lame efforts apart while reclining on my intellectual back in my intellectual sleep. and you know it!
[Yesterday 10:42 PM] Kevin Bonham: more bogus ad homs there by -v- in a lame attempt at the deflection he complains about
[Yesterday 10:41 PM] - V -: kb - i think knows he hasnt an intellectual leg to stand on ,but bloody mindedly plows on , totally discrediting himself , and supporting my claim of his intellectual cowardice
[Yesterday 10:40 PM] Kevin Bonham: i'm not sure it is really either a plan or a proposal.
[Yesterday 10:40 PM] - V -: OK YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAN AND PROPOSAL , AND THEN EXPLAIN WHY ITS CRITICAL TO THE DEBATE
[Yesterday 10:39 PM] - V -: JCS FALSE FLAG PROPOSAL - PROPORTIONAL MEDIA COVERAGE - YES OR NO ?
[Yesterday 10:38 PM] Kevin Bonham: i'm not even sure "false flag proposal" is correct. consider the context of the question asked that gave rise to the response that was the "plans" in question
[Yesterday 10:38 PM] Kevin Bonham: deflecting? you're the one making the red-herring ad hom call then dishing out an abusive ad hom yourself.
[Yesterday 10:38 PM] - V -: JCS FALSE FLAG PROPOSAL - PROPORTIONAL MEDIA COVERAGE - YES OR NO ?
[Yesterday 10:37 PM] - V -: stop deflecting ! lol
[Yesterday 10:37 PM] Kevin Bonham: ah that sounds like one of those "unconnected ad homs" right there! how convenient!
[Yesterday 10:37 PM] - V -: you slimey pathetic intellectual coward gatekeeper
[Yesterday 10:37 PM] Kevin Bonham: what "unconnected ad homs" do you refer to?
[Yesterday 10:36 PM] - V -: look you brainwashed blind idiot . jcs proposal - false flag - media coverage - get it ???
[Yesterday 10:35 PM] - V -: not to mention unconnected ad homs
[Yesterday 10:34 PM] - V -: so youre banking on sophistry are you to diffuse the debate !
[Yesterday 10:34 PM] Kevin Bonham: are you really this incapable of avoiding basic logical errors let alone unsound personal attacks?
[Yesterday 10:34 PM] Kevin Bonham: the level of a plan does not determine whether it is tentative or not
[Yesterday 10:34 PM] - V -: are you really this ill informed ?
[Yesterday 10:33 PM] - V -: wrong ..joint chief of staff level is not tentative !!!!
[Yesterday 10:32 PM] Kevin Bonham: mu
[Yesterday 10:32 PM] - V -: right so i shall return to the nub , .. a us govt proposal at jcs level to false flag attack ships and planes of another coutry has not been proportionally adequately reported in the media over the last 50 yrs ... yes or no ?
[Yesterday 10:31 PM] Kevin Bonham: a canvassing of a possible option
[Yesterday 10:31 PM] Kevin Bonham: it was not a US govt proposal either. it was a (somewhat tentative) proposal of a part of the US govt
[Yesterday 10:31 PM] Kevin Bonham: under the table is the only place you could even try to have this debate and you know it
[Yesterday 10:31 PM] - V -: ok , it was a proposal , happy now pedant ?
[Yesterday 10:30 PM] - V -: kb - i will debate you under the table on this , and you know it
[Yesterday 10:30 PM] Kevin Bonham: but it wasn't
[Yesterday 10:30 PM] - V -: a plan is a plan before it was adopted
[Yesterday 10:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: and it's been shown before you don't even know what cog diss is. it now appears you don't know what struggling is either
[Yesterday 10:29 PM] - V -: kb - you are really struggling here
[Yesterday 10:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: a plan that is not adopted by the US govt is not a US govt plan
[Yesterday 10:29 PM] hobsonbay player: Kb been working on his comedy act for OZ hmmm.. !
[Yesterday 10:29 PM] - V -: look how the brainwashed cant even comprehend under the weight of their cog diss
[Yesterday 10:28 PM] - V -: did i say "adopted" ???
[Yesterday 10:27 PM] Kevin Bonham: you can't force me to be interested in your line just by using abuse. if you could, i'd be a sheep
[Yesterday 10:26 PM] Kevin Bonham: once again they were not adopted US govt plans, so you are misrepresenting again
[Yesterday 10:26 PM] - V -: i mean thats really small fry stuff
[Yesterday 10:25 PM] - V -: yeah llama , who cares if the msm reports proportionally on us govt plans to false flag another country ? lol
[Yesterday 10:24 PM] Kevin Bonham: of course not, in the context of that metaphor i'm probably some kind of llama
[Yesterday 10:24 PM] - V -: lol keep repeating it , you might believe it ! lol
[Yesterday 10:24 PM] - V -: but youre not a sheep of course kb ! lol
[Yesterday 10:24 PM] Kevin Bonham: anyone can see on the CC threads how much you oversensationalised it
[Yesterday 10:24 PM] Kevin Bonham: and both the MSM and the kook media cater to their own breeds of sheep
[Yesterday 10:23 PM] - V -: yeah , i over sensationalised it as being a false flag plan to attack plans and ships lol
[Yesterday 10:23 PM] Kevin Bonham: hi dean!
[Yesterday 10:23 PM] Kevin Bonham: the fact is that both the MSM and the kook media are ready purveyors of sensationalist beatups
[Yesterday 10:23 PM] hobsonbay player: evening KB
[Yesterday 10:23 PM] Kevin Bonham: and passed it off as more sensational than it was, something you would doubtless gleefully pounce on the MSM for if they did it in presenting fake news to the sheep
[Yesterday 10:22 PM] - V -: that says it all .. right there folks !
[Yesterday 10:22 PM] - V -: ahahaha lol
[Yesterday 10:22 PM] Kevin Bonham: what was of interest to me was that you persistently misconstrued the situation
[Yesterday 10:22 PM] Kevin Bonham: whether it was adequately reported or underreported neither concerns me nor is something i am in a position to pass informed judgement on
[Yesterday 10:21 PM] - V -: no, and even after reading the govt documents you still dont think it was under reported in the media over the past 50 yrs !
[Yesterday 10:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: while i do read various msm sources i tend to treat them with varying degrees of caution
[Yesterday 10:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: i virtually never read the kook sites
[Yesterday 10:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: ah yes your post in the northwoods thread of 29 march starts with an unsubstantiated representation of our views in the second sentence
[Yesterday 10:20 PM] - V -: so kb , where are you most deeply informed in general the msm or those kook sites like infowars,rense,globalresearch,informationclearingh ouse,rbn ?
[Yesterday 10:18 PM] - V -: the jewel in the crown
[Yesterday 10:18 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't read everything that gets posted here
[Yesterday 10:18 PM] - V -: yeah right lol
[Yesterday 10:18 PM] Kevin Bonham: no, it's called a reasonable disinterest in reading the same old recycled rubbish again and again
[Yesterday 10:17 PM] - V -: its called selective programmed induced blindness kb
[Yesterday 10:17 PM] - V -: the fatty's of this world shrink away , evaporate and self combust in the face of cold hard argument .
[Yesterday 10:16 PM] Kevin Bonham: i didn't even notice whatever you had waffled about the supposed newsworthiness of northwoods in a thread
[Yesterday 10:14 PM] - V -:
[Yesterday 10:13 PM] - V -: As the MSM dithers and implodes !
[Yesterday 10:13 PM] hobsonbay player: Must shape people opinions about real things in life , not some half-baked stories we see on commercial stations and msm
[Yesterday 10:13 PM] - V -: armed with cold hard facts and logic , WE ARE ON THE MARCH !
[Yesterday 10:11 PM] - V -: as are thousands and thousands around the world doing the same thing ,.. we are on the exponential rise
[Yesterday 10:11 PM] - V -: we de-program them one by one ..
[Yesterday 10:10 PM] hobsonbay player: if we can help few , we are doing a good deed !
[Yesterday 10:10 PM] - V -: yes , the stubborn lack of questioning using rational argument is starkly apparent from most .
[Yesterday 10:09 PM] - V -: in a way i feel sorry for them as no doubt you do too hobs ,..i mean weve both been there
[Yesterday 10:08 PM] hobsonbay player: still have my senses about myself god its not a cancer in what u are doing . You might actually learn something ! instead excepting everything read or hear
[Yesterday 10:08 PM] - V -: just like kb and ian m ..not a peep in response to the obvious news worthiness of northwoods as espounded in thread
[Yesterday 10:06 PM] - V -: sheep like fatty get very distressed , their whole illusory edifice is under scrutiny ,..its too horrible to bear for the devout intellectual coward

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

Operation Northwoods: American Terrorism - Truth is Treason
note use of the term "plan" . In fact i challenge you to find a single source that DOESN'T refer to it as a plan !



“Episode 10: Cuba; Cuba: 1959-1968,” CNN (Cable News Network LP, LLLP). - “Appendix to Enclosure A” and “Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A” of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN’s 1998 Cold War television documentary series[8][9]—specifically, as a documentation supplement to “Episode 10: Cuba,” which aired on November 29, 1998.[10][11] “Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A” is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.
National Security Archive : COLD WAR : Documents
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/coldwa...e-10/02-01.htm
so no actual mention it appears of op northwoods in the tv documentary itself that kb cited !

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.../10/index.html - page not found
(Be interesting to see this episode 10 Cuba documentary( which i've so far been unable to find !) to prove definitively that even that documentary omitted (or disproportionately minimised ) the FACT THAT O.N WAS A HIGH LEVEL FALSE FLAG "PROPOSAL"/"PLAN" ! )

So this article U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba - ABC News remains the only known mainstream report on op northwoods and only then ONLINE !
So my point remains , op northwoods is woefully disproportionately under reported in the msm , most starkly with - TV !
Again - Where is the tv documentary that gives the apt serious attention to a JCS level plan/proposal to FALSE FLAG ATTACK ANOTHER COUNTRY !! ??

Operation Northwoods Makes It To Mainstream Media – 40 Years Late
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy’s defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

“These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing,” Bamford told ABCNEWS.com

Where are all these msm reports ??
So what were you saying again KB ? LOL

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

So you think you're well informed ?
You think your media informs better than those "nutter" internet sites do you ?
Really ?
Are you sure ?

Well , i can prove you're a brainwashed sheep.

How many of the following SIGNIFICANT and REAL news stories do you know about ?

- operation northwoods
infragard
codex ailimentarius
agenda21,
promis software
operation gladio
common purpose

Well , how did you go ?



Ok .... now go get informed at superior news sites and stop making yourself look like an uninformed idiot !

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

[Yesterday 10:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: i virtually never read the kook sites

That pretty much nails why you're so hopelessly ill informed !

You mean those "kook" sites that inform on operation northwoods
infragard
codex ailimentarius
agenda21,
promis software
operation gladio
and common purpose , as opposed to the msm sources that don't ???? LOL

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

KB-
Anyway it should be noted that in this exchange I completely demolished* - V - (Axiom) on one of his pet subjects, supposed under-reporting in the mainstream media of "Operation Northwoods". (Northwoods was the codename for a Joint Chief of Staff response to a question about what pretexts could be fabricated to sell an attack on Cuba in the 1960s should that be desired.) - V - attempted to claim this had only received mainstream coverage on ABC TV (US) but it turns out it was originally covered by CNN . - V - then answered "yes" when asked if he was sure there had only been these two items of mainstream media coverage (up from the one he would originally admit to) but he was wrong about that too. There was also extensive media coverage following the release of a book called "Body of Secrets" by James Bamford in May 2001. A Google search for "operation northwoods mainstream coverage" shows that even some of the sort of ignosheep sites that Axiom loves will admit that Northwoods had mainstream coverage. Not a four-page spread every weekend as Axiom might consider proportionate, but nonetheless more than he admits to.

Not surprisingly - V - continues to try to play down that the event was mentioned in a documentary. He uses the following quote:

Quote:
“Episode 10: Cuba; Cuba: 1959-1968,” CNN (Cable News Network LP, LLLP). - “Appendix to Enclosure A” and “Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A” of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN’s 1998 Cold War television documentary series[8][9]—specifically, as a documentation supplement to “Episode 10: Cuba,” which aired on November 29, 1998.[10][11] “Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A” is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

... to attempt to argue that there was "no actual mention it appears of op northwoods in the tv documentary itself that kb cited !" Clearly this inference is unsound since the documents were published online to supplement a released documentary. There would have been no point in publishing the documents as a supplement to a documentary if the documentary did not even mention the incident. One would also hardly publish (as opposed to mention) the documents within the body of the screened documentary itself.

It appears they cited the documents at the end of the documentary _to merely support content relating to false flags in general WITHOUT necessarily referring to op northwoods at all !
Even this documentary cannot (thus far in my search ) be seen online , i wonder where it can be seen?
As this is the only definitive way to settle this point . The content summary for the documentary did NOT mention op northwoods ! ->
Cold War (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10. Cuba (1959–1962) Fidel Castro comes to power following the Cuban Revolution. Cuba aligns itself with the Soviet Union and the government starts nationalising American interests, resulting in the United States imposing an economic boycott, and the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion. Following the detection of Soviet medium range missiles stationed in Cuba, the United States imposes a blockade on the island, and the Soviet Union mobilises for war. The Cuban Missile Crisis is eventually resolved through secret negotiations, in which the United States and the USSR agree to withdraw missiles from Cuba and Turkey respectively. Interviewees include Fidel Castro, Walter Cronkite, Pierre Salinger and Theodore Sorensen. The pre-credits scene has interviews of Fidel Castro, Robert MacNamara and Anatoly Dobrynin explaining how close they felt the world was to a nuclear holocaust.

Proportionate coverage in my view would be every time msm discusses war history ,9/11 or "terrorism", instead of blind ridicule to anyone who dares mention "false flag" they, when contextually appropriate should include the highly salient fact that THE U.S GOVT AT JCS LEVEL ONCE PROPOSED FALSE FLAG ATTACKING ANOTHER COUNTRY !
_______________Are you getting this now ?
* LOL

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

Here is KB's counter evidence item .
Here is the CNN CUBA DOCUMENTARY !
CosmoLearning History | Documentaries

Now , lets watch and see if OPERATION NORTHWOODS is mentioned ANYWHERE ?!!

I await your withdrawal and concession on this point KB .

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

[Today 12:05 AM] - V -: ...who wants to knowingly get blown out of the water in debate ?!
[Today 12:05 AM] - V -: lol and who could blame him eh ?
[Today 12:04 AM] Kevin Bonham: since you are not on CC anymore and i don't know if he even reads here
[Today 12:04 AM] Kevin Bonham: i don't know if ian has the slightest interest in further communication about the matter
[Today 12:04 AM] - V -: just as an aside could you ask ian murray to produce evidence that northwoods is not considered a "plan" as i cant find a single source that doesn't refer to it as such !
[Today 12:01 AM] - V -: that practice makes little sense to me tbh
[Today 12:00 AM] Kevin Bonham: why do you think this is done?
[Today 12:00 AM] Kevin Bonham: well the usual habit is the shouts get cut and pasted then some get deleted
[Yesterday 11:58 PM] - V -: lets hope not for the sake of truth exposition
[Yesterday 11:56 PM] Kevin Bonham: perhaps not many
[Yesterday 11:56 PM] Kevin Bonham: if my hunch is right some will be gone
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Kevin Bonham: i think a good topic might be how many of my shouts from tonight will be deleted
[Yesterday 11:41 PM] - V -:
[Yesterday 11:41 PM] - V -: youre doing well kb ,..at least you have the guts to front up to the debate ..kudos there
[Yesterday 11:39 PM] - V -: this might be a good time for a break to reflect , unless you wish to raise a query etc
[Yesterday 11:38 PM] - V -: or do you want a break ..some water ...
[Yesterday 11:37 PM] - V -: are we ready for infragard now ?
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] - V -: dont be obtuse
[Yesterday 11:36 PM] - V -: i say to anyone to produce all these cbs , nbc , ny post articles ,..they cannot ,..now move on
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] - V -: this is my jewel in the crown case
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] Kevin Bonham: well no you haven't because you haven't demonstrated a research method sufficient to assess its reporting level
[Yesterday 11:35 PM] - V -: our msm lies by omission
[Yesterday 11:34 PM] - V -: ive established that northwoods is grossly under reported given its saliency and import in the oft discussed context of wars,terror,9/11 etc
[Yesterday 11:33 PM] - V -: regardless its too far off-core to worry about
[Yesterday 11:33 PM] Kevin Bonham: but you have misunderstood my post in claiming i said it must be
[Yesterday 11:32 PM] - V -: respect on the concession
[Yesterday 11:32 PM] - V -: oh yes jesse ventura new book , saw that live , again , northwoods not mentioned
[Yesterday 11:31 PM] Kevin Bonham: now i do concede that northwoods is not explicitly mentioned in the documentary body
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] Kevin Bonham: i was not expecting to get anything, let alone a hit just 5 days old
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] - V -: well full marks for trying but you do realise youre not making even a tiny dent in my position
[Yesterday 11:30 PM] Grant Szuveges: Baron dominates MCC blitz marathon once again, but not by as much as usual! See the thread for details!
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: and that was just a hit from typing northwoods into google news
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] Kevin Bonham: a CNN blog though
[Yesterday 11:29 PM] - V -: oh we're reduced to blogs .. sheesh ..
[Yesterday 11:27 PM] Kevin Bonham: now what do you make of this? http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/201...t-you-to-read/
[Yesterday 11:26 PM] - V -: let me know when we're ready for stage 2 of the deprog process , because im quite happy to repeat this process for other grossly under reported signifcant stories
[Yesterday 11:25 PM] - V -: this all supports the thesis that alternate media is superior to msm on the basis of quality and depth and breadth of information
[Yesterday 11:24 PM] - V -: remember i argue these stories are a) real -tick b) significant - tick and c) manifestly under reported - tick
[Yesterday 11:22 PM] - V -: your cnn doco never mentioned northwoods in its body as you claimed it must ... please do the honourable thing and concede that point
[Yesterday 11:21 PM] - V -: so my position of under reporting holds and your contrary position fails dismally
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba - ABC News
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] - V -: oh so we have 2 from abc in 13 yrs ... wow
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: but what's amazing is that it's the 2001 article, somehow datestamped 2007, and you didn't even recognise it
[Yesterday 11:20 PM] Kevin Bonham: actually the one i gave you a link to did originally appear on abc
[Yesterday 11:19 PM] - V -: wow heavy cog diss exhibited right now
[Yesterday 11:19 PM] - V -: bang on about it ??? you cant find a single direct linked article !!!!!
[Yesterday 11:19 PM] - V -: you are psychotic
[Yesterday 11:18 PM] - V -: oh its old , thats the reason is it ????? you idiot lol
[Yesterday 11:18 PM] Kevin Bonham: you cannot expect the media to bang on about it every day 13 years after release
[Yesterday 11:18 PM] Kevin Bonham: no it doesn't for the reasons i already mentioned, the issue is old
[Yesterday 11:17 PM] - V -: yeah its so big on those networks like abc , cbs ,nbc that you cannot find a single direct link , which proves my point of under reporting ..checkmate
[Yesterday 11:16 PM] Kevin Bonham: maybe one of your fellow ignosheep is lying
[Yesterday 11:16 PM] Kevin Bonham: "Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures" doesn't sound too alternate to me - unless the name is deliberately deceptive!
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] - V -: not msm thats alternate media and you know it ....god youre humiliating yourself now
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] Kevin Bonham: so that's checkmate in the opposite direction!
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] Kevin Bonham: now it is another abc news item (apparently) but it is not the 2001 one
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] - V -: checkmate approaches , viewers .
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] Kevin Bonham: and what's this then: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=5782
[Yesterday 11:15 PM] - V -: Take your time .... when you find one let me know !
[Yesterday 11:14 PM] - V -: CBS , NBC , NY POST , WASH POST .. WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES ??????
[Yesterday 11:14 PM] - V -: I SAID MSM !
[Yesterday 11:13 PM] - V -: oh so we're so desperate we resort to citing BOOKS ! LOL
[Yesterday 11:13 PM] - V -: wheres the cbs , nbc , msnbc , wash post ny post articles cmon , why is it so difficult
[Yesterday 11:12 PM] Kevin Bonham: "The mainstream press gave the book, in particular its Operation Northwoods revelations, lots of publicity. For example, ABCNews.com [..]"
[Yesterday 11:12 PM] Kevin Bonham: for instance Operation Northwoods: The Counterfeit refers to the ABC piece you mention but clearly states it was just one example
[Yesterday 11:12 PM] - V -: ive done that and there are no other msm pieces on northwoods
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] - V -: you still cannot provide a single piece of evidence
[Yesterday 11:11 PM] - V -: not in the context when media discuss terror, war, and 9/11 !!!! get that do you ?
[Yesterday 11:10 PM] Kevin Bonham: i already told you what term to google to find numerous references, wazzup, are you too paranoid to use google?
[Yesterday 11:10 PM] - V -: i thought you said there were many other msm pieces on northwoods lol
[Yesterday 11:10 PM] Kevin Bonham: it actually is pretty humdrum stuff compared to most of the contents of that doco
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] - V -: look youre struggling so much , give me your best reference to an msm article lol
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] Kevin Bonham: i realise that ignosheep sites are extremely unreliable, but not that bad surely
[Yesterday 11:09 PM] - V -: yeah us govt at jcs level proposing to false flag attack ships and planes is pretty humdrum stuff sorry lol
[Yesterday 11:08 PM] Kevin Bonham: so you don't accept references to mainstream coverage by ignosheep sites as convincing evidence?
[Yesterday 11:08 PM] Kevin Bonham: 9:58 shout here today
[Yesterday 11:08 PM] - V -: that link before 9:58 of what ? where ?
[Yesterday 11:07 PM] - V -: yeah theres so many of these msm pieces folks kb cant find one
[Yesterday 11:07 PM] Kevin Bonham: i don't know, here it would probably be princess mary
[Yesterday 11:07 PM] - V -: lol
[Yesterday 11:06 PM] - V -: lol you mean better space for what exactly ? american idol ? lady gaga ?
[Yesterday 11:05 PM] Kevin Bonham: i have made some minor edits to my post on ignowars thread over there anyway
[Yesterday 11:05 PM] Kevin Bonham: looking for old MSM stuff there are broken links all the time
[Yesterday 11:04 PM] Kevin Bonham: you just can't figure that something would go offline simply because it was old and the site had better use of the webspace - or the link simply no longer worked because of changed URLs
[Yesterday 11:04 PM] Kevin Bonham: typical ignosheep response
[Yesterday 11:02 PM] - V -: if it did its been censored ...why would that be ? hmm?
[Yesterday 11:02 PM] Kevin Bonham: addressed @9:58
[Yesterday 11:02 PM] Kevin Bonham: front page of relevant CNN website as at 2003 FYI: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200.../10/index.html
[Yesterday 11:02 PM] - V -: im still waiting on that cnn article ........ lol .. it doesnt exist does it ?
[Yesterday 11:01 PM] Kevin Bonham: then if it was unrelated to media why the "joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series"?
[Yesterday 11:01 PM] - V -: you know all those cbs ,nbc , cnn , fox , msnbc , huffington post , new york post , washington post , you know .... cmon ! lol
[Yesterday 11:00 PM] - V -: we're talking msm , not govt bodies(unrelated primarily to media) you clown
[Yesterday 10:59 PM] - V -: oh well done kb , that was my primary source bravo ! lol
[Yesterday 10:58 PM] Kevin Bonham: actually it was the national security archive site where the material was actually hosted when released
[Yesterday 10:58 PM] - V -: we could soon be reaching what we de-programmers refer to as first base ...thats when the subject sheep finally has to concede ground ...this is about to be a true test of kb's intellectual honesty coming up .
[Yesterday 10:54 PM] - V -: dont you love kb how he's going to defend the status quo with its shamelessly mal informing msm no matter what ...i really honestly dont know whether to laugh or cry
[Yesterday 10:54 PM] hobsonbay player: hi V ,KB ..I'am beginning to see a clear winner tonight . It might be V for Victory
[Yesterday 10:52 PM] - V -: you probably find theyve been censored , um i mean deleted lol
[Yesterday 10:51 PM] - V -: try the wayback machine lol
[Yesterday 10:51 PM] Kevin Bonham: might be findable on wayback though
[Yesterday 10:51 PM] - V -: im waiting still for one single msm piece on northwoods other than abc.com on may1st 2001 ......
[Yesterday 10:51 PM] Kevin Bonham: material on many MSM sites is heavily biased towards the recent
[Yesterday 10:50 PM] Kevin Bonham: well the issue broke 13 years ago, then again 10 years ago
[Yesterday 10:50 PM] - V -: lol oh stop it you clown lol
[Yesterday 10:50 PM] - V -: yet theres so many you cannot link a single one
[Yesterday 10:50 PM] Kevin Bonham: no longer online but there is abundant secondary evidence of its existence
[Yesterday 10:49 PM] - V -: ok please link me the cnn article mentioning northwoods
[Yesterday 10:49 PM] Kevin Bonham: not to mention the other MSM pieces evidenced by the google search i pointed you to that you seem too lazy to perform
[Yesterday 10:49 PM] - V -: so where are all this msm pieces since de-classification in 1998 ?
[Yesterday 10:48 PM] Kevin Bonham: the CNN website is MSM whether you like it or not
[Yesterday 10:48 PM] - V -: no my inference was spot on , ie. no mention in the msm other than the abc article
[Yesterday 10:48 PM] Kevin Bonham: you do understand what "your inference is unsound" means, don't you? it means your argument doesn't follow. it doesn't necessarily mean your conclusion is false, just that your argument, on the available evidence, was not convincing
[Yesterday 10:47 PM] - V -: nothing even close to op northwoods mentioned in the entire doco
[Yesterday 10:47 PM] Kevin Bonham: ah yes, but all i am doing there is pointing out why your inference was unsound
[Yesterday 10:47 PM] - V -: so admit youre wrong
[Yesterday 10:46 PM] - V -: your words - to attempt to argue that there was "no actual mention it appears of op northwoods in the tv documentary itself that kb cited !" Clearly this inference is unsound since the documents were published online to supplement a released documentary. There would have been no point in publishing the documents as a supplement to a documentary if the documentary did not even mention the incident. One would also hardly publish (as opposed to mention) the documents within the body of the screened documentary itself.
[Yesterday 10:45 PM] Kevin Bonham: it is "The pre-credits scene has interviews of Fidel Castro, Robert MacNamara and Anatoly Dobrynin explaining how close they felt the world was to a nuclear holocaust."
[Yesterday 10:45 PM] Kevin Bonham: and that is in one of your recent posts on this issue but the context does not help you
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: the word "credits" occurred only once in a thread on this site in the past 3 years
[Yesterday 10:44 PM] Kevin Bonham: what you're saying here is just not true
[Yesterday 10:43 PM] Kevin Bonham: no, you tell me where any reference to the credits occurred. cite the quote and cite where i howled it down
[Yesterday 10:43 PM] - V -: this is hilarious
[Yesterday 10:42 PM] - V -: you said it had to be in the body of the work ! you clown
[Yesterday 10:42 PM] - V -: youve forgotten ? lol
[Yesterday 10:42 PM] - V -: its on record in thread
[Yesterday 10:42 PM] Kevin Bonham: and how did i howl it down?
[Yesterday 10:41 PM] - V -: you produce one other msm article other than the abc.com one lol
[Yesterday 10:41 PM] Kevin Bonham: when did you say that?
[Yesterday 10:41 PM] - V -: and remember i said it may have been put in the credits but you howled that down ,..keep shuffling the deckchairs sunshine
[Yesterday 10:40 PM] Kevin Bonham: and your inference from the wikipedia text is still unsound
[Yesterday 10:40 PM] Kevin Bonham: it is very common for docos to be followed by an announcement regarding further details available elsewhere (etc)
[Yesterday 10:40 PM] - V -: oh there is is there , well produce it you shameless liar
[Yesterday 10:40 PM] Kevin Bonham: you missed what i was saying there, feel free to continue strawmanning
[Yesterday 10:39 PM] - V -: lol its 45 mins and in its entirety , try again buster
[Yesterday 10:39 PM] Kevin Bonham: in any case, it is clear there was mainstream media coverage alongside the program
[Yesterday 10:38 PM] Kevin Bonham: i'd wipe it off your face if i was you since this cut-up version hardly tells you how the program was originally broadcast and what announcements may or may not have been made alongside it
[Yesterday 10:38 PM] - V -: i can't stop grinning with that slightly smug yet very self satisfied kind of smile
[Yesterday 10:37 PM] Kevin Bonham: actually i am watching the program to assess your claim
[Yesterday 10:36 PM] - V -: fatty and kb awfully quiet lol....i guess cold hard facts can do that lol
[Yesterday 10:35 PM] - V -: I think we all like a good knight mate don't we ?
[Yesterday 10:28 PM] Just2Good: Good night to you too Axiom
[Yesterday 10:20 PM] - V -: V
[Yesterday 10:19 PM] - V -:
[Yesterday 09:14 PM] - V -: Cheers !
[Yesterday 09:13 PM] - V -: But its sheep we're up against !
[Yesterday 09:03 PM] - V -: He ran away j2g
[Yesterday 09:01 PM] Just2Good: He flew away
[Yesterday 09:01 PM] Just2Good: I don't know
[Yesterday 08:37 PM] hobsonbay player: where is that drunken sailor in fatty
[Yesterday 08:32 PM] - V -: V
[Yesterday 08:31 PM] hobsonbay player: lol V , V is on fire last couple of nights you've rattle sheeps cage !
[Yesterday 08:27 PM] - V -: Watch their cognitive dissonance go into hyper-drive now ! hehehehe
[Yesterday 08:23 PM] - V -: Checkmate ! Damn sheep-clowns ! hahahahahaha
[Yesterday 07:02 PM] - V -: KAPOW ! WHAMMO ! LOL
[Yesterday 07:01 PM] - V -: Here's KB 's documentary http://www.cosmolearning.com/documen...rspectives/46/ and not a single mention of op northwoods ! ..how's the debate going do you think ?
[Yesterday 06:59 PM] Just2Good: Yes, owl, that's half the problem!
[Yesterday 05:53 PM] - V -: Proportionate coverage in my view would be every time msm discusses war history ,9/11 or "terrorism", instead of blind ridicule to anyone who dares mention "false flag" they, when contextually appropriate should include the highly salient fact that THE U.S GOVT AT JCS LEVEL ONCE PROPOSED FALSE FLAG ATTACKING ANOTHER COUNTRY ! _______________Are you getting this now ?
[Yesterday 05:50 PM] fatty owls: you must really enjoy talking to yourself.

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

Firstly ive never ever called it a MILITARY Plan . Only a plan , like every other media source i've ever read on the topic !
A PLAN BEFORE IT WAS A MILITARY PLAN ! GOT IT ?


If you want go edit wikipedia(no-one has yet !) and stop lurching hopelessly in the sophistic mire of your own feeble argument !



Next......?

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

- V -

So we are at the point of the deprogramming sessions where the subject for the first time by sheer weight of fact based logical argument is forced to concede a centrally related point lest they cop the charge of intellectual cowardice .

Remember , the aim is to convince the subject that not only does their msm not inform them properly ( which they all roll their eyes and say "oh of course ,everyone knows that !) but it is the very type of sites they blindly ridicule that in fact ironicly for them inform them far better of all sorts of real and significant stories/issues they would otherwise have never heard about !

Thus proving/demonstrating that a greater breadth and depth of information is gained from the sites they would hitherto refer to as "kook" sites like Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! Jeff Rense Program etc

Why is de-programming people this way so vitally important ?
Because the more informed a population the more informed is their decision making especially in understanding the real world and real politik . Making them more resistant to being exploited by those "in the know". 'A greater transparency' as julian assange opined. Also without an informing media you cannot have a healthy democracy .

The media is absolutely essential to the functioning of a democracy. It's not our job to cosy up to power: We're supposed to be the check and balance on government.
- Amy Goodman

A basic tenet of a healthy democracy is open dialogue and transparency.
- Peter Fenn

“People shouldn't expect the mass media to do investigative stories. That job belongs to the 'fringe' media.”
-Ted Koppel

Finding Order in the Orwellian Chaos
"Recognizing the game that is being played for our minds allows us to filter out previously unknown message units as trash so that they never bring about an overload. It allows you to live a life of your own accord. And that is the key to transforming the prevailing system. In other words, we can’t defeat this powerful negative force by playing into their reality. ...... Don’t worry, the others will break their trance eventually"


You may need a few iterations at phase1 level , by just repeating the above process for several un/under-reported real/signif. stories[Refer:Blueprint] until the penny drops . You will have observed above the extraordinary lengths and contortions the subject will attempt in order to prevent the acceptance of what really is obvious ..once of course one can see , that is . Patience is important , just stick to the central rationale , they will attempt all sorts of tricks to knock you off balance ,stay firm . It is not unlike an exorcism i'd imagine .
I think with fatty , youd get the whole head spinning linda blair vomit thing ! LOL

If for instance you find the subject refuses to engage in basic rational debate and simply ad hom hyperboles abuse at you repeatedly( eg FATTY OWLS) simply let them go , your time is better spent with someone who is prepared to attempt to engage and understand.

I will talk about the further levels if and when we have subjects who progress that far . My hope is that Kevin Bonham remains for further sessions as it could prove an extremely valuable lesson for ALL concerned .

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

fatty owls

it must be hard being a complete retard ax.

i only wish your narcissistic clouded head a speedy recovery.

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fatty owls

your still viewing this thread because youve finally seen the light.

good for you clownshoes !!

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- V -

Students , please note the mind numbing predictibility of the repetition of ad hom hyperbole abuse .
It's like a manifestion of the programming in some of the most fearful . A mantra they repeat over and over again ,like children sticking fingers in their ears singing loudly la lala la lala . It i think helps them block out the fear . These individuals should be pitied . I sometimes refer to them as the cohones-less sheep ( simply too fearful to engage even in debate). You cant call them intellectual cowards , because they refuse to even engage at the very first moment , so never getting anything to be intellectually cowardly about . No this type are mostly driven by pure fear , so much so they cant bring them selves to even take one peek behind the curtain . ( of course they have no idea about this !)
As you can see there is nothing you can do when they present to you like this . You can only hope some time down the track , something twigs in the recesses there .

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"Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V

"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "

fatty owls

so where exactly did you receive your iq of 153 numbnuts ?

out of thin air i imagine !!

why dont you answer my question simpleton.

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Iconoclast

A brief glance at this thread makes me think Fatty is Bonham is on bonham juice.

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The group is hopeless without its individuals.

Just2Good

No, I suspect he is an average guy who gets annoyed when one after another of Axiom's silly conspiracy theories falls over, and instead of then defending the failings of the theory, he moves on to a brand new theory setting the ball in motion all over again.

Eventually people want off the merry go round.

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