Who Supports The " Drug War " ? - OzChess

**Axiom** · 11-24-2010, 10:47 PM

Anyone see Nadelmann on " 7:30 Report " ABC ?

He so effortlessly nailed the truth .

In fact , debating drug war proponents is like shooting fish in a barrel , such is the paucity of their grasp of the facts,history ,logic or reality of the issue .

No doubt there lurks a warrior out there who fancies their chances . Someone who thinks , "yeah i know a bit about this terrain , i've argued /debated this before , i reckon i can take on the Ax on this one" .

Well here's your chance ,......but anyone NOT familiar with
a) the relative pharmacological toxicity of the major drugs
or
b) the dynamics of 1920s Prohibition

need not apply .

Thank you ,

Ax
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**antichrist** · 11-25-2010, 12:12 AM

are 60's hippies with brains zapped by drugs allowed to enter debate, like...yeah man, where can I score da next joint?

**Axiom** · 11-25-2010, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

are 60's hippies with brains zapped by drugs allowed to enter debate?

Yes , you can enter the debate .

..provided you satisfy the aforementioned base-level entry criteria .

**Iconoclast** · 11-25-2010, 11:13 PM

Ax, you won't get an argument from me. There is no doubt that recreational drugs generally are "bad" for you. However, making them illegal makes them uncontrolled. It is better to have a tiger by the tail than letting it roaming around the village.

**Just2Good** · 11-26-2010, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Ax, you won't get an argument from me. There is no doubt that recreational drugs generally are "bad" for you. However, making them illegal makes them uncontrolled. It is better to have a tiger by the tail than letting it roaming around the village.

The laws against drug use are quite harsh. If law enforcement catches someone using drugs, they are tried and prosecuted. I don't see how that is akin to letting a tiger roam about a village uncontrolled.

**Ehm TO** · 11-26-2010, 02:46 PM

Oh this must be regarding the US. This about the 2nd or 3rd biggest waste of money our government has engaged in. Pot needs to be legalized so the Mexican drug cartels stop killing people along our borders as they fight to control the smuggling. Our borders need to be beefed up like those of Canada. the US by far has the easiest immigration policies.

**antichrist** · 11-27-2010, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by jdsingle

Oh this must be regarding the US. This about the 2nd or 3rd biggest waste of money our government has engaged in. Pot needs to be legalized so the Mexican drug cartels stop killing people along our borders as they fight to control the smuggling. Our borders need to be beefed up like those of Canada. the US by far has the easiest immigration policies.

Some people become addicted to pot, a mate's brother was only supposed to have smoked pot, heavily, and he shot himself. His brother attributes it to the pot.

**Axiom** · 11-27-2010, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Some people become addicted to pot, a mate's brother was only supposed to have smoked pot, heavily, and he shot himself. His brother attributes it to the pot.

His brother is an uninformed idiot .

**Axiom** · 11-27-2010, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Ax, you won't get an argument from me. There is no doubt that recreational drugs generally are "bad" for you. However, making them illegal makes them uncontrolled. It is better to have a tiger by the tail than letting it roaming around the village.

Exactly .
It's better out in the light , than in the dark .

**Axiom** · 11-27-2010, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

The laws against drug use are quite harsh. If law enforcement catches someone using drugs, they are tried and prosecuted. I don't see how that is akin to letting a tiger roam about a village uncontrolled.

Because ignorance and it's ill-effects breed in the dark .

**antichrist** · 11-27-2010, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

His brother is an uninformed idiot .

Would you like me to pass that message on? The guy is a Vietnam vet war hero he may not take kindly to you. As well he is a country bumpkin Country Party supporter and you know how they are.

You should set up a Schapple Corby and Bali Nine fan club - entry fee 6 joints and 3 syringes

**Axiom** · 11-27-2010, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Would you like me to pass that message on?

yes pass this onto him :- Fighting in the vietnam war and being a country party supporter only reinforces his status as an uninformed idiot .

Originally Posted by antichrist

The guy is a Vietnam vet war hero he may not take kindly to you. As well he is a country bumpkin Country Party supporter and you know how they are.

Originally Posted by antichrist

You should set up a Schapple Corby and Bali Nine fan club - entry fee 6 joints and 3 syringes

Wouldn't it be better for everyone to simply de-criminalise drugs , instead of driving up black profits fuelling a booming industry under the cover of darkness ?

It is the drug laws themselves that cause the misery , far far more than the actual drug itself .
When uninformed idiotic brainwashed imbecilic sheep read about the consequential effects of 1920s prohibition , is there any electrical activity going on in their brains at all ?

**Iconoclast** · 11-27-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Would you like me to pass that message on? The guy is a Vietnam vet war hero he may not take kindly to [Axiom]. As well he is a country bumpkin Country Party supporter and you know how they are.

Tell the vet from me too, that he is an idiot.

**Iconoclast** · 11-27-2010, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Wouldn't it be better for everyone to simply de-criminilise drugs , instead of driving up black profits fuelling a booming industry under the cover of darkness ?

Exactly.

Just like prostitution. When it is illegal, the (unfortunate) girls are utterly used abused and destroyed. At least when legal, bashings and theft can be reported without the risk of being done for prostitution.

It is the drug laws themselves that cause the misery , far far more than the actual drug itself. When uninformed idiotic brainwashed imbecilic sheep read about the consequential effects of 1920s prohibition , is there any electrical activity going on in their brains at all ?

"uniformed" is the only word you need for the "uninformed." If, after having seen the evidence they still do not modify their position, then they proven to be stupid.

**Axiom** · 11-27-2010, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

"uniformed" is the only word you need for the "uninformed." If, after having seen the evidence they still do not modify their position, then they proven to be stupid.

Quite correct .
Bur because they are idiots , i need to spell it out !

11-24-2010, 10:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Who Supports The " Drug War " ? Anyone see Nadelmann on " 7:30 Report " ABC ? He so effortlessly nailed the truth . In fact , debating drug war proponents is like shooting fish in a barrel , such is the paucity of their grasp of the facts,history ,logic or reality of the issue . No doubt there lurks a warrior out there who fancies their chances . Someone who thinks , "yeah i know a bit about this terrain , i've argued /debated this before , i reckon i can take on the Ax on this one" . Well here's your chance ,......but anyone NOT familiar with a) the relative pharmacological toxicity of the major drugs or b) the dynamics of 1920s Prohibition need not apply . Thank you , Ax (< __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 11-24-2010 at 11:00 PM

11-25-2010, 01:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by antichrist are 60's hippies with brains zapped by drugs allowed to enter debate? Yes , you can enter the debate . ..provided you satisfy the aforementioned base-level entry criteria . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 11-25-2010 at 02:27 AM

11-25-2010, 11:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Ax, you won't get an argument from me. There is no doubt that recreational drugs generally are "bad" for you. However, making them illegal makes them uncontrolled. It is better to have a tiger by the tail than letting it roaming around the village. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

11-26-2010, 12:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Ax, you won't get an argument from me. There is no doubt that recreational drugs generally are "bad" for you. However, making them illegal makes them uncontrolled. It is better to have a tiger by the tail than letting it roaming around the village. The laws against drug use are quite harsh. If law enforcement catches someone using drugs, they are tried and prosecuted. I don't see how that is akin to letting a tiger roam about a village uncontrolled. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

11-26-2010, 02:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	Oh this must be regarding the US. This about the 2nd or 3rd biggest waste of money our government has engaged in. Pot needs to be legalized so the Mexican drug cartels stop killing people along our borders as they fight to control the smuggling. Our borders need to be beefed up like those of Canada. the US by far has the easiest immigration policies. __________________ Camel - Welcome to flavour country!

11-25-2010, 12:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	are 60's hippies with brains zapped by drugs allowed to enter debate, like...yeah man, where can I score da next joint?

11-27-2010, 12:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by jdsingle Oh this must be regarding the US. This about the 2nd or 3rd biggest waste of money our government has engaged in. Pot needs to be legalized so the Mexican drug cartels stop killing people along our borders as they fight to control the smuggling. Our borders need to be beefed up like those of Canada. the US by far has the easiest immigration policies. Some people become addicted to pot, a mate's brother was only supposed to have smoked pot, heavily, and he shot himself. His brother attributes it to the pot.

11-27-2010, 01:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by antichrist Some people become addicted to pot, a mate's brother was only supposed to have smoked pot, heavily, and he shot himself. His brother attributes it to the pot. His brother is an uninformed idiot . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

11-27-2010, 01:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Ax, you won't get an argument from me. There is no doubt that recreational drugs generally are "bad" for you. However, making them illegal makes them uncontrolled. It is better to have a tiger by the tail than letting it roaming around the village. Exactly . It's better out in the light , than in the dark . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

11-27-2010, 01:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Just2Good The laws against drug use are quite harsh. If law enforcement catches someone using drugs, they are tried and prosecuted. I don't see how that is akin to letting a tiger roam about a village uncontrolled. Because ignorance and it's ill-effects breed in the dark . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

11-27-2010, 06:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Axiom His brother is an uninformed idiot . Would you like me to pass that message on? The guy is a Vietnam vet war hero he may not take kindly to you. As well he is a country bumpkin Country Party supporter and you know how they are. You should set up a Schapple Corby and Bali Nine fan club - entry fee 6 joints and 3 syringes

11-27-2010, 11:44 AM	#12 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Uninformed Idiot Originally Posted by antichrist Would you like me to pass that message on? yes pass this onto him :- Fighting in the vietnam war and being a country party supporter only reinforces his status as an uninformed idiot . Originally Posted by antichrist The guy is a Vietnam vet war hero he may not take kindly to you. As well he is a country bumpkin Country Party supporter and you know how they are. Originally Posted by antichrist You should set up a Schapple Corby and Bali Nine fan club - entry fee 6 joints and 3 syringes Wouldn't it be better for everyone to simply de-criminalise drugs , instead of driving up black profits fuelling a booming industry under the cover of darkness ? It is the drug laws themselves that cause the misery , far far more than the actual drug itself . When uninformed idiotic brainwashed imbecilic sheep read about the consequential effects of 1920s prohibition , is there any electrical activity going on in their brains at all ? __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 11-27-2010 at 05:28 PM

11-27-2010, 04:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by antichrist Would you like me to pass that message on? The guy is a Vietnam vet war hero he may not take kindly to [Axiom]. As well he is a country bumpkin Country Party supporter and you know how they are. Tell the vet from me too, that he is an idiot. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

11-27-2010, 05:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom Wouldn't it be better for everyone to simply de-criminilise drugs , instead of driving up black profits fuelling a booming industry under the cover of darkness ? Exactly. Just like prostitution. When it is illegal, the (unfortunate) girls are utterly used abused and destroyed. At least when legal, bashings and theft can be reported without the risk of being done for prostitution. It is the drug laws themselves that cause the misery , far far more than the actual drug itself. When uninformed idiotic brainwashed imbecilic sheep read about the consequential effects of 1920s prohibition , is there any electrical activity going on in their brains at all ? "uniformed" is the only word you need for the "uninformed." If, after having seen the evidence they still do not modify their position, then they proven to be stupid. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

11-27-2010, 05:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast "uniformed" is the only word you need for the "uninformed." If, after having seen the evidence they still do not modify their position, then they proven to be stupid. Quite correct . Bur because they are idiots , i need to spell it out ! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 11-27-2010 at 07:52 PM

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