Axiom

The enemy of liberty is collectivism;
and its likewise shady cousins, socialism,communism and communitarianism.

As a hardcore individualist libertarian i would happily endorse the following site and book, as to a large degree they represent well my political philosophical views.

About Cato

Realizing Freedom: Libertarian Theory, History, and Practice

Are you more a libertarian or a collectivist ?

I am aware of an arch collectivist who is a member of this forum

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Firegoat7

1.Individuality is way over rated.
2.The idea that you have a right to be an individual is untenable without being enforced by a collective.
3.People have more similarities then difference
4. Collective biological rights should be derived before liberal individuality.

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Axiom

The problem with collectivists is that they unwittingly serve the bidding of the criminal elite .(ref: history of the formation of communism in ussr , and the bankers that financed mao and stalin)
Like brainwashed patsies they stubbornly gatekeep their own oppression.
Brainwashed , conditioned , programmed , mind control, call it what you will , these people seemingly blind to history and in their self hating species kind of a way( often the same ppl that believe humans are the enemy of the earth and should die !), act as the hive mentality enforcers of their slave prison hive.
Collectivists , are fear driven . Fear conditioned in them over years of being brainwashed with the message that you are weak , have no power ,are irresponsible and that big govt is there to look after you . That big socialist govt will be responsible for you as you are not able to be responsible yourself.

With freedom comes responsibility , so it is said .
The responsibility to own firearms , to drive without a seatbelt , to ingest whatever substance into your own body , to deal with truth.

And this is where the collectivist jumps in and says "no, you cant do that , it is irresponsible to the hive,you are not responsible enough to handle that freedom " ie. you are not well informed enough

Ideally you would have a society that respected human beings and their differences , keeping them well informed , so that they can then make informed decisions , and that they take responsibility for the informed decisions they make. eg. i own a firearm , i am informed about the potential dangers hazards etc , i drive without a seat belt , i crash , i injure myself , i take responsibility for my decision , i ingest too much cocaine up my nose ,i lose my septum, i take responsibility for my informed choice.

This is freedom , its not all beer and skittles .
But with this type of freedom , you breed a strong ,creative , intelligent , aware ,rich , diverse and vibrant society , as was best exhibited by the USA during its heyday .

Libertarians are about freedom AND responsibility , small but strong govt dealing only with matters of violence ,theft and fraud ( especially fraud and highest level corruption) , not invasive and stifling micro managing laws.
Collectivists are about homogenising, pigeon holing , conforming,nanny stating ,big govt , social engineering , owning our very bodies , dehumanising us , fear, individual irresponsibility.

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hobsonbay player

l think your tin hat has had overload be careful your chip doesnt blow
a circuit lol

Axiom

Which is collectivist code for humans are to be devalued , controlled , mass organised, dehumanised, diminished, stifled.
Because their individual rights and freedoms are secondary and subservient to the hive , though little realising they serve the queen not themselves !

see above

Yes people want to live in a free ,just, and secure society , not a quasi slave plantation.

are you talking eugenics here ?

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Firegoat7

Sounds like nonsense. Give the people ........
Solves most of these type of problems.

More meaningless dribble.

All history is a collective human story passed on through language which is a learned social pattern shared with others. By definition an individual would have their own language completely independent of shared culture. They would therefore be anti-history in nature. Of course such an individual never exists because they are derived genetically from a collective of two human beings, who have genetic characteristics passed on through generations and multiple beings.

Furthermore, these so called individual beings are brought up within a shared collective culture that gives them language to think with. There is no such thing as an independent thought derived without the stimulas of culture. Children reared in black boxes without cultural stimulas become vegetables.

Government, no government. This a polar rhetoric devoid of meaning because you do not need to believe in any of the concepts of government to be a collectivist or a libertarian. For example, Anarchism is a political ideology that is devoid of belief in government but includes collectivist and libertarian viewpoints. The same examples can be cited for many religous organisations.

Where on earth do you get the idea that socialism requires people not to be responsible for their own actions?

Freedom does not exist. Who you are is culturally determined.
This idea that you have freedom to do as you please simply because you are informed is a myth. Much like individuality it never really existed in real life.


Idealism is not realism. You want a collective (society) to respect human beings and their differences. You claim information will produce individual responsibility. But collective societies are always in conflict, which is a necessary revolutionary/evolutionary condition. Plural difference means that conflict will always occur as a normal condition of the human species. Difference means different rationalities which includes information.

Libertarians are all about self.

Please....give us a break!

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Axiom

so was saying the earth was a sphere ,until the people became informed.

you mean those horrible humans destroying the planet ?


translated - means collectivists unwittingly short sell humans and humanity. by limiting ,stifling , constraining and enslaving them.
all very true .
naturally we are talking about a progression, a spectrum , a trend ,a relative scale here, not absolutes.


What im saying is that collectivists are, in effect, bred like a certain breed of cattle , to be most importantly of all, subservient,obedient,helpless,productive and unquestioning.
I believe in ,as i said, small but strong govt , ideally paying the CEOs of the country's govt about 20-50 million dollars a year , in line with major corps !
But no , most ppl would cry out in horror at that , whilst the real power , simply laughs at us and their collectivist cronies. How horrific to actually have a truly representative and RESPONSIBLE govt of,for and by the ppl, instead of the low paid maleable puppets of the criminal elite.


its a relative scale , a trend.


again, not absolute freedom, but the relative determination of such.

where did i say that ? i was saying you have more chance at increased levels of relative freedom the more informed you are ie ,freedom is directly proportional to level of informed.


? we are talking the spectrum of human individuality here .




yes, idealism is not realism , but a guiding light directing the way forward . I used the example of the usa in its heyday , ie.before the heavy erosion of its libertarian principles . But i notice unsurprisingly , a certain glee in the eye of socialists and collectivists at the USA's demise.
Aha ! the BIG LIE ! - the big programmed uninformed rebuttal of libertarians.
In fact quite the opposite, we are probably the only true supporters of humanity and its freedom . Unlike the human self haters of the collectivists.

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Agenda 21: The Death Knell of Liberty



Jim O’Neill
Canada Free Press
October 19, 2009

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. …The real enemy then is humanity itself.
Democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead.” —From the Club of Rome’s “The First Global Revolution” p. 71,75 1993

“Therefore, send not to know for whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.”—John Donne (1572-1631)




The death knell for freedom has been tolling for some time, and only now are people starting to hear it. It started tolling faintly, decades back, and has slowly progressed in volume, until today its tolling is impossible to ignore.

The United States of America—that “shining city on a hill”—had a good run of it, and made a gallant effort at establishing liberty for all. But as the old saw would have it, all good things must come to an end.

Liberty, after all, is an aberration in mankind’s history—a light that has flared here and there over the centuries, only to dissolve back into the darkness.

America is barreling towards becoming a bit player on the world’s stage, and its vaunted middle class—once the envy of the world—is on the verge of being eliminated.

For the good of the planet, for the good of Gaia, for the good of the collective.

Freedom is being replaced by servitude, capitalism by socialism, and property rights by “sustainable development.”

I’m not talking about something we need to be on guard against. It’s all already in place. It has been going on for quite some time, and it will continue to go on, at a greatly accelerated pace. We are at the “end game” point.

And the Globalists know it. Why do you think the Democratic (and many Republican) political hacks on Capitol Hill are so dismissive of the American people?

They are essentially putting on a “dog and pony show” for public consumption, while the final pieces for America’s defeat are slid into place. No, they are not worried about upcoming free elections.

To a great extent the Globalists own the mass media, the entertainment industry, our schools, and the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches of government.
Why should they worry?

Already, several generations have been indoctrinated, via our school systems, to value globalization and “social justice,” over personal responsibility and free enterprise.

They have been repeatedly sold the idea that they should, “Think globally, act locally.”

God has been demeaned, marginalized, and eradicated, at every turn. Our religions are, in many cases, a watered down and diluted mimicry of true spirituality.

The Globalists have come out from the closets, the woodwork, and from under rocks. They know that their time of hiding is at long last over. They are brazen about, and proud of, their anti-American/pro-global stance. Their arrogance and hubris is palpable.

Call them Communists, Marxists, Fascists, or Globalists—call them what you will, they are collectivists who despise America’s middle class, capitalism, and free enterprise.

They have been duplicitous, Machavellian, clever, and patient. And it has paid off; the trap has been sprung.

How did this happen?

America got hit high, and America got hit low. We suffered sudden catastrophic sneak attacks from without, and insidious long-term betrayal from within.

We were hit low by Alinskyesque “community organizers” in our streets, and propagandists in our schools. We were hit high by “think tanks” like the Trilateral Commission, the CoR (Club of Rome), and the CFR (Council for Foreign Relations).

They have divided us with special interest groups, vociferous “talking point” attacks, and identity politics. They have infiltrated our schools, and indoctrinated our children.

They have opened floodgates using the Cloward-Priven Strategy—overwhelming our judicial system, banking establishment, and border security.

They have encouraged corruption and greed at the lowest, to the highest, levels of government.

They have twisted and perverted the U.S. Constitution.

They have promoted and encouraged anything and everything that would help bring America down.

They intend on taking over the planet, but first they needed to destabilize, and then destroy, the United States of America. Because we were a powerful bulwark of freedom, we had to go first.

And to a large extent, go we have.

In this article, I will focus on the contributions made by the CoR and Agenda 21, to America’s defeat.

The Club of Rome (CoR) was founded 1968, in Italy, by Aurelio Peccei, an Italian scholar and industrialist, and Alexander King, a Scottish scientist.

Over the years the list of its members has included ex-presidents, prime ministers, kings, queens, diplomats, and billionaires. Its membership roster reads like a “who’s who” of the world’s “movers and shakers.” It includes U.N. bureaucrats, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe


After its inception, it split into two more branches: The CoB (Club of Budapest), and the CoM (Club of Madrid). The CoB focuses on social and philosophical issues, while the CoM concentrates on political issues. In addition, there are over thirty affiliated organizations in other countries—such as the USACoR in America.

The CoR first garnered public attention with its 1972 report “The Limits to Growth,” which went on to become the best selling environmentalist book of all time. Simply stated, its main thesis is that economic growth cannot continue indefinitely, because of the limited availability of natural resources, particularly oil. It’s sort of an industrialized version of a Malthusian nightmare.

Twenty years later, the CoR published “The First Global Revolution”—a quote from the book appears at the start of this article. This book also made a big splash, and helped to re-energize and expand the whole environmentalist movement.

Another quote from the book worth keeping in mind is, “It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary…such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose….”

“One invented for the purpose.” Enter global warming and greenhouse gases.

But something even more important happened the year before “The First Global Revolution ” came out.

At the instigation of the CoR, and their ilk, in 1992 the United Nations held the Conference on Environment and Development—informally known as the Earth Summit—in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
. At the Earth Summit, 178 nations signed an agreement called Agenda 21—so called because it dealt with the United Nation’s agenda for the 21st century.

It consists of numerous chapters detailing the role that different parts of society should play in implementing “sustainable development.” There are chapters for central governments, local governments, businesses, and community organizations.


George Bush senior, then President of the United States, flew down and committed the United States to the U.N. FCCC (Framework Convention on Climate Change) agenda.

Ever since then, the Executive Branch—Republican and Democrat—has been bypassing Congress, and passing “soft laws” foisting Agenda 21 on the American public.

Check out the U.S. Department of Energy website.

Check out the U.S. Department of Agriculture website.

Check out the U.S. Department of the Interior website.

No matter where you go, environmentalism permeates the U.S. Government bureaucracy. Sometimes it’s blatant and out front; other times you may need to dig a little—but it’s always there.

The Agenda 21 Globalists wine and dine each other, and hold conventions and conferences around the world. They give each other praise, pats on the back, and prestigious awards.

The Norwegian Globalists just gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize, and for the same reason that they gave one to Al Gore—heavily pushing Agenda 21.

Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” also received an Oscar from the Hollywood elite. These honors have been bestowed on Gore, not for exposing the truth—for “An Inconvenient Truth” is merely a slickly packaged lie—but because the film spreads the falsehoods of Agenda 21 so well.

It can only be shown to school children in the U.K. if accompanied by a disclaimer. The U.K.‘s “The Daily Mail” reports that “...teachers will have to warn pupils that there are other opinions on global warming, and they should not necessarily accept the views of the film.”

The Daily Mail also noted that the lawyer who successfully sued to have the disclaimer attached, said it did not go far enough. “He said ‘no amount of turgid guidance’ could change the fact that the film is unfit for consumption in the classroom.”

Yet American students see it over, and over. With no disclaimer.

This past June, NASA said that global warming is caused by solar cycles—i.e. the sun. Unsaid was the fact that the greenhouse gas theory is full of holes. Actually it’s a fairy tale, a convenient lie to force the world to bend to the will of the globalists.

Al Gore, the CoR, the U.N., and all of the environmental organizations and their adherents, don’t care what the truth is. They could care less about what causes global warming. They have their “outside enemy…invented for the purpose,” and they are not about to let go of it.

The Globalists actually tried Global Cooling first, but for various reasons it didn’t fly. Look at page 22 in the 1974 Annual Rockefeller Report, and you’ll find the mention of a conference called to investigate “...the future implications of the global cooling trend now underway….” Things sure warmed up in a hurry.


So what is the “purpose?” What’s really behind all the global warming hoopla?

Power. It’s the same old Marxist/Communist/Fascist collectivist schtick, dressed up in new clothes.

Global warming is all about a power grab by a wealthy elite and their collectivist sycophants—using the U.N. as a cover and tool.

As always, there are numerous “useful idiots” who swallow the party line whole. Some of them are simply misguided idealists, and some of them are nuts—dangerously nuts.

Behind it all, is a relatively small group of people who are manipulating the world for their own sick, narcissistic ends.

It’s a perfect cover. Think about it—who doesn’t feel that fresh air, clean water, and healthy environments are admirable ends to work towards? Any sane person supports such ideals.

But hidden in back of the admirable goals are some diabolical designs.

Don’t take my word for it, and don’t dismiss me without research. We all need to know what’s headed our way shortly.

If you aren’t aware of these facts already, then educate yourself on the internet. At least check out The Green Agenda, and check out Freedom Advocates.

What I’ve been discussing in this article is not “conspiracy theory” nonsense—look at those two websites I just mentioned (maybe watch a Michael Shaw video or two), and decide for yourself.

What have we seen since the Obama Administration took over?

The brainiacs in charge of America’s finances have been ignoring our debts, and eagerly proposing ways to sink us deeper into the quagmire. A lot deeper.

At first I thought that they were simply corrupt, venal, self-serving idiots—all of which is undoubtedly true, but they’re also destroying America’s financial foundation, cleverly and intentionally.

They want the American dollar replaced by a new global currency. They want America’s middle class to hang in the wind, and die on the vine. They’re Globalists, and they want America to fail. It’s so easy to see, once you realize what’s going on.

Why else would they add trillions to an already staggering debt? Why else would they try to rush through a Cap and Trade bill that will, in Obama’s words, make electricity prices “skyrocket.” Why else would they try to jam government-run ObamaCare down America’s throat? Why else would Obama say he’d bankrupt anybody who built a new coal plant?

Once you grasp Agenda 21, and the sly machinations of the United Nations, and globalizing NGOs like the CoR, it all makes sense.

It’s “The Plan.” Ruin America’s economy, destroy her middle class, and put a stranglehold on her energy grid.

At the U.N. Summit at Rio in 1992, the Conference Secretary-General, Maurice Strong, said “Isn’t the only hope for this planet that the industrialized civilization collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

He also said, “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class—involving high meat intake, the use of fossil fuels, electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing—are not sustainable.”

Club of Rome member, multi-billionaire George Soros, echoed Strong’s statement last fall, when he told an Australian newspaper, “America, as the center of the globalized financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,’ he said, adding that the time has come for ‘a very serious adjustment’ in American’s consumption habits.”

We will be forced to do their will. Count on it.

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Forced to cut back on fossil fuel consumption. Forced to cut back on water usage. Forced to give up our property. Forced to eat less. Forced to warm or cool our homes less. Forced to give up driving. Forced to give up these, and many other things that we currently take for granted. It’s “The Plan”—you had better believe it.

Look at what’s happening to California’s Central Valley—once “the world’s breadbasket,” and now a dust bowl. All due to Agenda 21.

I assure you that the globalists will not help the farmers. As the saying goes, “You can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.” The globalists want the land unplowed. They want it to go “back to nature.” They want to increase the price of food. They want to ruin the middle class farming community. It’s all part of “The Plan.”

It is not just America this is happening to, of course. Australia, Great Britain, Japan, Canada, Germany… Every country is on the verge of being converted into a vassal state—part of a global hegemony run by the U.N and a power elite.

All this will be more easily accomplished with a greatly reduced population. Did I mention population reduction and control?

Behind all the warm and fuzzy terminology about “smart growth,” “sustainable development,” and “think green,” lies a very chilling fact. The Agenda 21 folks want to reduce the earth’s population—substantially.

In 1996, Club of Rome member and CNN founder, Ted Turner, told Audubon magazine, “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” A 95% reduction.

Recently he has said that getting rid of a mere two thirds of the world’s population would suffice. Getting mellow in his old age no doubt.

The hard-core environmentalists are all bio-centrists. That is, they believe that humanity is no more important than any other species on this planet. In fact, to hear them tell it, the world would be much better off without any people at all.

Anthropologist and anarchist David Graber put it like this in an L.A. Times book review, “Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. ... We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth. ...Until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.”


Talk about joie de vivre, huh? Speaking of virus, don’t you find it a little odd that the U.N’s WHO (World Health Organization) is making such a big deal out of what is essentially a run-of-the-mill flu? And the lame stream media goes right along with them.

Given the Globalist penchant for population reduction, I’m much more leery of the U.N.‘s vaccines, than the flu. But that’s just me.

At any rate, because these Globalists are bio-centrists, most of them don’t believe in a divine spark in man, or unalienable rights, or God for that matter. In short, they don’t have many qualms about killing people. Something else to keep in mind.

You know the sardonic comment “Well excuse me for breathing?” These people will take that statement literally—and probably won’t excuse you. After all, you’re adding to the earth’s carbon dioxide level every time you breath out.

ICLEI (Local Governments for Sustainability—I know, don’t ask) even has a personal Co2 calculator you can use. ICLEI (pronounced “ick-lee”) believes you should know, and of course want to know, the amount of “your yearly direct personal carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions.” To which I say, directly and personally, “Get lost,” or words to that effect.

My favorite eco-friendly slogan is “Save the Planet—Kill Yourself.”

There’s something deeply disturbed, and disturbing, about too many of these folks, if you ask me. For example, Yale professor and eco-nut, Lamont Cole, is of the opinion that “To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem.”

Jesus wept.

You should do yourself a favor and peruse the quotes on Free Republic’s “So you’re an environmentalist…” web-page. If you don’t come away convinced that most of these folks are nuttier than a “Payday” candy bar, then I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe—“Get a life?”

Many of these “useful idiots” may be crazy and harmless, but they can also be crazy and deadly.

Behind them, pulling the strings, and waiting to take over, are the Global Elite and their one world government.

Do you honestly think that America will last as a free republic until the 2012 presidential elections? I don’t think it will last until the 2010 elections.

Iran’s leadership is aching to nuke Israel, and Israel’s only going to wait so long before taking preemptive measures. And there goes a large chunk of America’s oil supply.

Long lines for gas—if you can get any at all. America’s power grid will flicker, and intermittently fail. Time for the Globalists to make their final moves.

The curtain falls.

So America goes down the drain on our watch. It’s nothing to be proud of, that’s for sure.

Is there no hope then?

If there are still enough patriotic Americans who value personal integrity and freedom —there’s a chance we can still turn this thing around, but it won’t be easy. Far from it.

Make no mistake, if we lose this one, America and the world will sink into an abyss of tyranny for a very, very long time.



Jim O'Neill

Born in June of 1951 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Jim O’Neill proudly served in the U.S. Navy from 1970-1974 in both UDT-21 (Underwater Demolition Team) and SEAL Team Two. A member of MENSA, he worked as a commercial diver in the waters off Scotland, India, and the United States. In 1998 while attending the University of South Florida as a journalism student, O’Neill won “First Place” in the “Carol Burnett/University of Hawaii AEJMC Research in Journalism Ethics Award. The annual contest was set up by Carol Burnett with the money she won from successfully suing the National Enquirer for libel.

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antichrist

aX, sorry to break our strangle hold on this thread but Jura books in Sydney, the anarchist sydn??? whatever really have their backs against the wall about trying to save their building in petersham chrystal st. They are having a monster raffle if you want to support them. When they are not fighting amongst themselves they are half decent. They have done me favours before.

Just2Good

What kind of favours?

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antichrist

they let me use their rear dunny

Firegoat7

Let me guess Ted Turner is a well known unpatriotic, socialist, globalist, collectivist, rat! C'mon this O'Neill clown really does make some fanciful leaps in connection.

cheers,

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Axiom

well done , you managed to find the achilles heal of o'neill , neatly avoiding everything else , nice work.

"only as strong as it's weakest link" you say ?

well, lets investigate this link further ..... please tell us what you know of the club of rome , history of eugenics , the phenomenon of the human self hating brainwashed zombie greenazis , and agenda 21......and also maybe a rebuttal in the form of "the problem with libertarians" .

..i'm pumped , and ready to take on the co-opted controlled cultist collectivists ! ..bring it on !

Jono - where are you ?

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justaknight

hm is that a nice acknowledgement for using their printing facilities also? BTW I remember the nice typical Sydney slum backyard, I was there for a couple of BBQs followed by a backyard cricket game!