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This thread is set up for our very special new member Anti-Christ.
Go for it !

I'll kick it off with

True Torah Jews Against Zionism

and LONG LIVE FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND SPEECH !

Just2Good

Wasn't he banned on CC for discussing this very topic?

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...AND ??

antichrist

I just found this thread now, thanks for making me feel at home. I have just posted on this topic in Gaza thread - gave them heaps. Must go now as time running out - for us all. Hi KB and Bill - after the divorce I am still happy

Just2Good

That is one issue among many.

They have done more than looked on. Several nations have tried to broker peace deals to no avail.

??? What are you talking about?

See above.

There were many reasons.

Well, maybe someone should wake him up from his grave sleep and admonish him.

Perhaps he simply didn't think the offer was being made in good faith.

Apartheid is an entirely different kettle of fish. Israel has a right to exist and to be free from terrorism. The sooner you accept this the better.

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The sooner you understand the real history of israel's formation and the fact that israel is the most apartheid "nation" on earth the better !

Sorry AO , but i contend that your , all too common view, is based on disinformation , religious clap trap( by definition) , and pure propaganda.

I refer you to the role that the Rothschilds played in selling out jews as the apocryphal "sacrifice" (as inspired by religious texts ) in order to foment the nation state.

Just2Good

Well, if you want to refer me to something, it would help if you provide a link.

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True Torah Jews Against Zionism

Rabbi Mordechai Gifter, Dean of Telshe Yeshiva, Cleveland Ohio

We know the truth. The truth is that Zionism is a curse, and that's the way it is. Zionism is murder! And that's what it really is, because it is true! Who threw the Jews into the ocean when they wanted to travel to Eretz Yisroel in 1941? Who sank the boat (called the 'Patria') with about 1000 Jews on it? Who? The Nazis? Zionists did it! Yes, the Zionists! What is that? Is it not murder? Murderers!! Because of Zionism, one is allowed to kill Jews? Didn't these murderers say that the Jews of Europe are the "sacrifices" which we have to bring to have a Jewish "state" in Eretz Yisroel (G-d forbid)? Didn't they say this? Don't they have printed black and white statements which everybody can read? Didn't this man with the name, "Yitzchok Greenbaum" say in Warsaw that all religious Jews should be thrown into the ocean? And all this because of Zionism! And he wasn't ashamed of these words! I ask you: Is this right? Is this being nice? Is this grace? This is MURDER! Without any excuse, it is murder! G-d comes and punishes us, and He says to us that if we brought up in our midst such and Esau - one who is against Torah, against religion, against everything a Jew is - then we suggest a hint to the world, and it calls us Racists, Murderers, Terrorists! We are called murderers, who kill women and children. The Gentiles say this and it makes an impression on us, and we scream. How terrible! How can they speak this way about the Jewish people?

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antichrist

Thanks Ax for recusitating this thread. I have read other accounts on this same issue. Even an Aust Anglican bishop a few years ago came out and said that his church during WW2 offered Jews a safehaven in Aust but was rejected by Jew hierachy - no they must go to Palestine(where here were not particularly welcome and did not have clearly defined or accepted rights).

And as stated over there a few years ago in CC that after WW2 Zionists may have bombed Jews in Iraq to force them to go to Israel - pretending it was Arabs bombing them. It had the right effect however and Arabs got a bad name out of it. This story came out because a London newspaper reported it or a member of the British came out with it, there was a court case about it and the story was verified.

Also there fantastic Jews in Australia (Antony Lownstein) who are doing their best to achieve justice for Palestinians - he even visited the area recently. Disgustingly some Zionists refer to these justice-seeking Jews as (self-hating Jews). One cant help but love the Jews who fight against the injustice of Palestine. There are many such groups of liberals.

I was not barred in CC for my views only I used them as an analogy to get away in Chess what ever you can just like Israel does in Israel.

Thomas Bishop

Well, if you heard this on Today Tonight, surely it must be true!

Its not like they have ever misrepresented anything before, right?

antichrist

It was not ABC at all. It was in the feature section of SMH Saturday Good
Weekend magazine, they interviewed the Anglican bishop or archbishop, may have even been Hollingworth. Approx 2 years ago. I think I reported it in rival chess site at the time.

Don't take my word for it. Just do a web search and you will find dozens of authenic Jewish groups opposed to Israel's actions in Palestine. One leader of such a Israeli group came to Aust approx 3 or 4 months ago. But some Jewish newspapers blackmailed him. I know I reported this on rival site at the time.


What is shocking how extremist Jews denigrate justice-seeking Jews. The extremists give Israel and Jews a bad image.

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UNHRC endorses Goldstone report, angers Israel
Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:02:02 GMT

The UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) has adopted a resolution, endorsing the Goldstone report on the Gaza war, despite efforts by Israeli leaders to block the motion.

On Friday, 25 member-states of the council voted for the resolution, six voted against and 11 abstained. The "draft resolution ... is therefore adopted," UNHRC President Alex Van Meeuwen said in Geneva.

The sweeping approval came amid a call by Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu on the world body's High Commissioner for Human Rights to drop support for the report, which highlights Israel's atrocities during its massive offensive on the Gaza Strip.

The resolution urges the endorsement of the recommendations mentioned in Goldstone's Gaza report, and "calls upon all concerned parties including United Nations bodies, to ensure their implementation."

The 575-page report, written by South African war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone and three other international experts, accuses the Israeli army of deliberate killing of Palestinian civilians among other instance of war crimes.

The reports recommends referring its conclusions to the International Criminal Court prosecutor in The Hague, if the Israeli and Palestinian sides of the conflict fail to conduct credible investigations within six months.

Tel Aviv worries that the resolution would open the door to lodging war crime charges in international courts against its senior politicians and army officials involved in the weeks-long onslaught against the blockaded Palestinian territory.

Top officials who would be in the judicial cross-hairs could include former prime minister Ehud Olmert, former foreign minister Tzipi Livni as well as incumbent Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

Far more than 1,400 Palestinians were killed during three weeks of Israel's land, sea and air assault in the impoverished coastal sliver, which remains under a crippling Israeli siege, in place since June 2007.


“By way of deception thou shalt do war” The Mossad motto

Gilad Atzmon - Writings - Deception, Spin and Lies written by Gilad*Atzmon

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antichrist

I heard recently that Albert Einstein was against the idea of a Jewish State. I am not against such at all only that it should not be stolen (or receiving stolen property) from other people.

MIddleEastNews.com - United Nations Resolutions Against Israel "1955-1992"

A List of UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS against Israel
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A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.