Climate Change - Page 16 - OzChess

**antichrist** · 09-20-2011, 11:31 PM

I thought Igor was often over here - he is a realist

**Firegoat7** · 09-21-2011, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by - V -

Wow !

Please tell me your favoured sources , so i know where to obtain more accurate information !

How about I make it simpler for you. Why don't you assert ten points that are factually relevant to the climate change debate and then we cut them to pieces.

Of course you can choose ten of Alex Jones' points if you like, but please stick to an actual factual claim that is relevant to the debate.

**- V -** · 09-21-2011, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

How about I make it simpler for you. Why don't you assert ten points that are factually relevant to the climate change debate and then we cut them to pieces.

Of course you can choose ten of Alex Jones' points if you like, but please stick to an actual factual claim that is relevant to the debate.

I'll make it EVEN simpler for you

You can start on 2 points raised by me in the last few posts !

1) CERN
2) Hidden Heat

**Firegoat7** · 09-21-2011, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by - V -

I'll make it EVEN simpler for you

You can start on 2 points raised by me in the last few posts !

1) CERN
2) Hidden Heat

To be honest this is a very poor place to start the conversation. I would rather begin at the source of the disagreement.

Question 1? Is climate change a real phenomena?

After, you answer this one withe a simple yes,no or maybe/possibly then we can investigate how we form different opinions!

**akrenzaL** · 10-14-2011, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by AzzX

I would place population density and lack of resources as a reason why Conservation of the planet is damn near impossible.

The current climate change crisis is a direct result on our expansive populous yet the underlining political nature of these climate change policies do not address this issue at all.

We cannot expand in a fixed environment.

I think I will agree with you.

**- V -** · 02-01-2012, 05:29 PM

Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again) | Mail Online

'The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.'

**Hayek** · 02-18-2012, 06:20 AM

A few points that I think need to be cleared up here:

-Atmospheric pCO2 levels have gone up notably and continue to rise. that is undeniable. It is also undeniable that we burn a lot of stuff that increases atmospheric CO2.

-The Greenhouse Effect is a real thing. Undeniable.

-If pCO2 continues to rise, it will likely make the atmosphere warmer. That does not mean, however, that net temperature change will always be warmer given all the other things that impact temperature too. That is why the whole "temperatures have been cooling for x years" point is not very strong.

-Should pCO2 continue to rise, eventually it will likely warm the atmopshere enough that we not only see net warming, but notable warming.

-Whether or not the warming will be good or bad is more subjective than is often led to believe by politicians. Some areas would likely benefit from greater warmth to grow crops, etc. while others that are already hot might get hurt because of it. The melting of the ice caps could pose a problem too.

09-21-2011, 01:02 AM	#227 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by - V - Wow ! Please tell me your favoured sources , so i know where to obtain more accurate information ! How about I make it simpler for you. Why don't you assert ten points that are factually relevant to the climate change debate and then we cut them to pieces. Of course you can choose ten of Alex Jones' points if you like, but please stick to an actual factual claim that is relevant to the debate. __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

09-21-2011, 01:58 AM	#228 (permalink)
- V - De-Programmer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 492	The Fire Outta Control ! Originally Posted by Firegoat7 How about I make it simpler for you. Why don't you assert ten points that are factually relevant to the climate change debate and then we cut them to pieces. Of course you can choose ten of Alex Jones' points if you like, but please stick to an actual factual claim that is relevant to the debate. I'll make it EVEN simpler for you You can start on 2 points raised by me in the last few posts ! 1) CERN 2) Hidden Heat __________________ "Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V *"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "*

09-21-2011, 01:43 PM	#229 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by - V - I'll make it EVEN simpler for you You can start on 2 points raised by me in the last few posts ! 1) CERN 2) Hidden Heat To be honest this is a very poor place to start the conversation. I would rather begin at the source of the disagreement. Question 1? Is climate change a real phenomena? After, you answer this one withe a simple yes,no or maybe/possibly then we can investigate how we form different opinions! __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

10-14-2011, 05:03 PM	#230 (permalink)
akrenzaL Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 5	Originally Posted by AzzX I would place population density and lack of resources as a reason why Conservation of the planet is damn near impossible. The current climate change crisis is a direct result on our expansive populous yet the underlining political nature of these climate change policies do not address this issue at all. We cannot expand in a fixed environment. I think I will agree with you.

02-01-2012, 05:29 PM	#231 (permalink)
- V - De-Programmer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 492	Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again) \| Mail Online 'The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years. The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century. Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.' __________________ "Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V *"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "*

09-20-2011, 11:31 PM	#226 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	I thought Igor was often over here - he is a realist

02-18-2012, 06:20 AM	#232 (permalink)
Hayek Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 93	A few points that I think need to be cleared up here: -Atmospheric pCO2 levels have gone up notably and continue to rise. that is undeniable. It is also undeniable that we burn a lot of stuff that increases atmospheric CO2. -The Greenhouse Effect is a real thing. Undeniable. -If pCO2 continues to rise, it will likely make the atmosphere warmer. That does not mean, however, that net temperature change will always be warmer given all the other things that impact temperature too. That is why the whole "temperatures have been cooling for x years" point is not very strong. -Should pCO2 continue to rise, eventually it will likely warm the atmopshere enough that we not only see net warming, but notable warming. -Whether or not the warming will be good or bad is more subjective than is often led to believe by politicians. Some areas would likely benefit from greater warmth to grow crops, etc. while others that are already hot might get hurt because of it. The melting of the ice caps could pose a problem too.

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