Axiom

"It is not popular speech we should protect , but unpopular speech"

Dr Fredrick Töben's disclaimer:

"I am operating under a Federal Court of Australia Gag Order that prohibits me from questioning/denying the three pillars on which the >Holocaust-Shoah< story/legend/myth rests: 1. During World War II, Germany had an extermination policy against European Jewry;

2. of which they killed six million;

3. using as a murder weapon homicidal gas chambers. It is impossible to discuss the >Holocaust< with such an imposed constraint. I therefore am merely reporting on matters that I am not permitted to state.

For example, if I state the >Holocaust< is:

1. a lie;

2. six million Jews never died, or

3. the gas chambers did not exist, then I would claim that I am merely reporting on what expert Revisionists such as Professors Butz/Faurisson, et al, are stating in public.

Anyone who refuses to believe in these three pillars of orthodoxy will face a world-wide group of enforcers who will use any means to destroy dissenting voices. The problem is that these pillars are not set in concrete, though attempts at setting them in legal concrete have been under way for decades - without success.

The latest victims imprisoned for refusing to BELIEVE in the >Holocaust-Shoah< narrative are Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zündel & Sylvia Stolz in Germany; Siegfried Verbeke in Belgium, and Wolfgang Fröhlich & Gerd Honsik in Austria.

If you wish to begin to doubt the >Holocaust-Shoah< narrative, you must be prepared for personal sacrifice, must be prepared for marriage and family break-up, loss of career, and go to prison. This is because Revisionists are, among other things, dismantling a massive multi-billion dollar industry that the >Holocaust-Shoah< enforcers are defending, as well as the survival of Zionist-racist Israel. So, do not cry when the knock on the door takes you away from family and friends. Such experiences can be character-building. Revisionists are not foolish or naive but realistic as befitting someone who still cherishes such life-affirming ideals as Love, Truth, Honour, Justice, Beauty!

Some definitions:

a. An antisemite is someone who condemns Jews because they are Jews, something I reject in my maxim: >Don't blame the Jews, blame those that bend to their pressure<.

b. The term >antisemitic< is itself a problem because it refers to language-type and refers to the Arabic-speaking peoples, not just the Hebrew-speaking peoples; both peoples use a Semitic language.

c. An antisemite is someone the Jews hate.

d. Antisemitism is a disease. You catch it from Jewish behaviour.

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Australia's Democracy put to the test

Noddy

Anyone who claims the holocaust never happened is either a hater or just foolish because there is heaps of evidence that it did happen, and the Germans even admitted it!

Axiom

where did toben say the holocaust never happened ?
even if he did , the point is, why should questioning history be a jailable offence ?
if its so foolish why criminalise the speaking of it ?

Chessic-Adventures

Because the hostory is so recent, and so undeniable, that to deny it simply causes offence and hurt to others. On that basis I think it is completely acceptable to make a law prohibiting people from talking their hurtful nonsense.

Axiom

What Toben & Holocaust
'Deniers' Really Believe
By Rev. Ted Pike
10-14-8


While incarcerated in ancient Rome, the apostle Paul was informed about Christianity that, "Everywhere it is spoken against." (Acts 28:22) Much of this bad press was the result of Jewish anti-Christianity. The Book of Acts indicates that wherever many Christian -persecuting Jews lived and traveled, they created a counterfeit, contemptible image of Christ and Christianity. As a result, any decent person could not help but despise the followers of Christ. Yet, the history of Christianity shows that systems of thought which are initially rejected because they are misrepresented can astonish the world with their growth and success.

"Holocaust denial" today is held in contempt by most media and mankind. Yet, as with early Christianity, this disdain is the result of public acceptance of a distortion-largely attributable to Jewish media. These are descendents of those ancient tale-bearers who attempted to also destroy the infant church.

This misrepresentation begins with Zionist definition of the Holocaust as the systematic extermination of six million Jews -- a genocide that will admit of numbers no less. To publicly lessen that sacred figure is now a thought crime which, under Zionist-inspired German hate laws, can land you in jail for at least five years. Dr. Fredrick Toben doubted the six-million figure on his Australian website and is now under arrest in Britain, facing deportation and almost certain imprisonment in Germany.

I specialize in free speech issues, not the Holocaust. Yet, seeing sincere inquirers like Germar Rudolph, Ernst Zundel, and now Dr. Toben pilloried and even possibly imprisoned for questioning "Holocaust reality," I am goaded to clear the air on their much misrepresented beliefs.

What They Really Say


Actually, Holocaust reductionists agree that a holocaust of 72 million dead worldwide did occur during World War II and Jews were a part of it; but not six million.

Reductionists don't deny that Hitler and Nazis hated Jews. The Nazis had experienced an abortive Jewish Bolshevik German coup in 1918-19 under Rosa Luxemburg; they knew Jewish activists and financiers had been behind world revolutionary attempts to overthrow Russia and western Christian civilization. They also knew this spirit of revolution emanated from Talmudic Judaism. As anti-Communists, the Nazis violently opposed Jewish left-wing activism. Toward that end, without Christian perspective and restraint, they persecuted and murdered countless Jews.

Yet, Holocaust reductionists contend that most Jewish victims died as a result of war's devastation, not a systematic program of extermination. It is historical fact that in the last months of the war extreme food shortages caused near starvation in Germany. Massive typhus epidemics ravaged Axis detention camps. Reductionists say these influences, not just Nazi cruelty, were the largest causes of the horrific spectacle of emaciated prisoners and heaped-up bodies viewed by Allied deliverers.

Especially in World Wars I and II, tales of unspeakable atrocities were circulated by governments, media and military on both sides. This was to incite such rage in combatants that they could remorselessly machine gun or bayonet opponents who shared their own Christian, European heritage. Yet, during World War II Zionist-dominated media conditioned the Allies to believe Jews were being decimated. It is not surprising then that Europe's liberators, arriving at Dachau, Auschwitz, etc. and viewing such scenes of horror, reflexively blamed a systematic Nazi murder campaign.

Reductionists say gas chambers existed in the camps to fumigate the lice-bearing typhus-infested clothing of thousands of prisoners and staff, not to murder living Jews. They also point to an interview by Jewish researcher David Cole with the archives director of Auschwitz. He casually admits that the present "gas chambers" in Auschwitz I, which helped make Holocaust "believers" out of hundreds of millions until the 21st century, were actually built by the post-WWII occupying Russians in 1948. (Powered by: Doteasy - Bannerless Free Web Hosting and Email for Small Business and Individual
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Download David Cole video here [66MB]) Similarly, reductionists say crematoria were used to dispose mainly of typhus-diseased bodies, not to exterminate Jews. They point out that in the last years of the war Germany carefully guarded every ounce of fuel to energize the war effort; they would not waste it just for the fiendish pleasure of burning millions of Jewish bodies.

I have briefly stated the major reductionists' arguments, not necessarily to maintain them, a task which would require much greater documentation. Rather, I want to simply represent their position accurately-something Zionist-dominated and Christian media is not honest enough to do.

Only Liars Need Straw Men


If we have to misrepresent an ideological enemy's point of view and create a vulnerable "straw man" to defeat it, we have already admitted that our opponent's real premises are true and too formidable to engage. If we have the truth, we don't need to distort an opponent's premises. Instead, we vanquish them on the level field of truthful debate.

Reductionists, at the very least, raise questions that are not preposterous. If their viewpoint is false, it should be defeated by honest, public, scientific inquiry. If the Holocaust's six-million figure were true beyond all doubt, reductionist arguments would quickly evaporate once confronted. The fact that Holocaust defenders must misrepresent, ridicule and even imprison questioners powerfully suggests that the "fact" of six million Jewish dead rests on a very shaky foundation.

More than 60 years have passed since the alleged murder of six million Jews is alleged to have occurred. Enormous research of World War II has transpired. Much is the result of independent, scientific study and historical inquiry by curious researchers and academics. Rather than being further misrepresented and even criminalized, they should be free to engage with establishment counterparts in a truly scientific investigation of what really happened in the German camps during World War II. Only this can finally establish truth.

All oppressive systems-from Roman Catholicism during the Inquisition to Communism and Nazism-have suppressed free inquiry and expression of ideas that contradicted the official view. Offenders were punished by the same gestapo tactics now imposed on Dr. Toben and an increasing number of independent reductionist thinkers.

The true facts about the Holocaust may be debated for centuries. But right now we must allow free speech for Dr. Toben and this well-researched movement. It is tragic that though Christians/conservatives increasingly oppose loss of free speech from "hate laws" created by the Jewish activist Anti-Defamation League, they hypocritically join these very Jewish supremacists in misrepresenting and denying free speech for those who want to re-evaluate the Holocaust.

Those who actually possess truth do not oppose free expression, even of evil ideas; they know those ideas must first be expressed in order for them to be confronted and defeated. If free expression is not allowed, true ideas cannot destroy false ones.

Anyone who claims that false ideas should be destroyed through misrepresentation, censorship or imprisonment speaks not for God and reason but for dictators and the devil.


HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO!


Call the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) which arrested Toben: 011 44 20 7796 8500

Call the three largest parties in Parliament:

Labour Party: 011 44 87 0590 0200

Conservative Party: 011 44 20 7222 9000

Liberal Democrat Party: 011 44 20 7222 7999


Tell them: "Please free Dr. Frederic Toben from arrest and extradition for the 'thought crime' of questioning the methods and numbers of the Holocaust."

Or, come here at truthtellers.org and email or fax our longer message to political leaders in England.

(All phone numbers listed as for USA callers, if calling from another country use your country's international calling prefix instead of "011".)

Brutus

This is vile and contemptible and speaks volumes about you! Welcome to my ignore list.

Axiom

IT MATTERS NOT HOW VILE AND CONTEMPTIBLE YOU CONSIDER IT , JUST THAT THE SPEAKING OF IT SHOULD NOT RESULT IN IMPRISONMENT.

Brutus

Stop trying to frame this as an issue of free speech because it isn't. Yes, if you say stupid things that you know to be untrue and that have been proven to be untrue, then your only purpose in bringing it up is to cause unrest. First maybe you should get a warning, but if you do it again then maybe imprisonment is a fitting result.

Cephus

You mean the image of a man-- demigod or not-- who bade sons and daughters forsake their families and railed against lawful religious authority? I hold great respect for Jesus Nazarene, but I can easily understand why the Jews of his era sought to crush him.

Like Islam or the Church of Latter-Day Saints? Or does this only apply to system of thought that the Good Reverend himself agrees with?

Rightfully so, as denying the evidence in front of one's own face is the behavior of lunatics and imbeciles. A faith that requires lunacy or feeblemindedness is a poor faith, indeed.

And it is on the principle of free speech that I believe that Doctor Toben should be merely ridiculed and humiliated, not imprisoned-- as ridicule is always the proper reply to the ridiculous.

Axiom

Glad to see you come to this conclusion .
You agree that imprisonment is inappropriate.

Axiom

it most certainly is .

your assumption is false. The imprisoned men reported from a position of integrity , accurate or not.

or you could simply stick to ridicule as per Cephus's suggestion ?

YumYum

Exactly. I think that right there shows you the person has no idea what they are talking about.

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Brutus

Cephus agrees with me and didn't make any suggestions anyway.

Arrogant-One

I don't know if I agree with that Axiom. I think there do in fact need to be limits on freedom of expression.

Best Regards,

AO

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... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . .

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Axiom

Incorrect , Cephus agrees with me that imprisonment is not called for.
His implicit suggestion was to simply ridicule such speech rather than imprison the speaker.