Left Wing Bias - OzChess

**Noddy** · 08-27-2008, 06:51 PM

Okay, we constantly hear that the media has a left wing bias.

Now my question is can anyone show me where some of the main media companies reveal a left wing bias?

And no I do not believe that criticising Bush or Rudd or any other politician counts. What I am looking for is clear cut left wing bias or promoting out right lies or twisting facts for political bias.

So does anyone have any examples of left wing media bias?

**Axiom** · 08-27-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

Okay, we constantly hear that the media has a left wing bias.

Now my question is can anyone show me where some of the main media companies reveal a left wing bias?

And no I do not believe that criticising Bush or Rudd or any other politician counts. What I am looking for is clear cut left wing bias or promoting out right lies or twisting facts for political bias.

So does anyone have any examples of left wing media bias?

the left-right paradigm traps us all.

far more accurate to look at media bias of the ruling elite/establishment ie. the globalist bankers,major corporations which in effect own our political leaders and the mass media.
go to www infowars.com to get a much more real picture of the world.
but you will have to break through all the 'biased' conditioning that has formed your world view through out your entire life !

**Iconoclast** · 08-28-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

far more accurate to look at media bias of the ruling elite/establishment ie. the globalist bankers,major corporations

That's bang on the money!

**Noddy** · 08-29-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

the left-right paradigm traps us all.

far more accurate to look at media bias of the ruling elite/establishment ie. the globalist bankers,major corporations which in effect own our political leaders and the mass media.
go to www infowars.com to get a much more real picture of the world.
but you will have to break through all the 'biased' conditioning that has formed your world view through out your entire life !

We are all a product of our past and our surroundings. It is difficult to see clearly when you have chosen a side and are blinded by the thinking or beliefs of it.

If you really think about it we are all seeing things based on what we have heard, seen, been taught, or just experienced in the past. This would apply to things like what actions and beliefs are associated with which political party, but also goes as deep as some basic things like just believing what you see on the tube is real and not just some computer generated trick.

Could it be that unless we agree to completely remove everything we have learned and what makes up our beliefs and what we believe to be true we can not truly see any of the this issue on bias for what it really is?

It seems way too many people have either already made up their minds, are only repeating what they have been told previous, are protecting what they believe or a combination of all.

I have made a point of viewing or listening to all the news outlets mentioned as well as some not to be able to better understand where all the confusion is coming from. What I have learned is that though there was not too much available to prove or disprove anything, but also that there are very specific differences in the way the various outlets present the news, and even what they include or completely leave out.

When viewing all the ones that are tagged to be biased to the left I see much the same in the topic, manner of reporting, questioning, professional opinion or experts, and even the video footage.

On the other hand while many not listed show the same basics they also tend to show additional information and repeat themselves less on certain claims etc.

Many appear to do pretty much the same except for the fact that they offer slightly different presentation, and question the things that the first group accepts as or reports as fact much more often.

These things above could include cutting out of a video before the speaker stumbles, replaying a clip that includes an attack over and over, showing smiling faces or even showing smirks and rolling eyes, producing expert discussion that appears to follow a trend, and a host of similar little omissions or other simple things.

What I found interesting is that though I have only paid this close attention for a short time it was obvious that certain outlets were attempting to show different things in a positive way, and others just the same but in the opposite direction.

I guess you have to make your own decision if this is bias or just how these places work, but I can only estimate that so many accuse the media of being biased because they are certainly showing more perspectives, discussing and proofing the information more than the others, and without a doubt are not selling the same products as some of the others.

Honestly except for the different faces many of the more popular networks and media outlets, they all seem to be more the same than different. I still found very useful and interesting reporting from outside the norm or major outlets, but for the most part all the others were pretty much the same.

Could it be that we have become so used to one thing that we find something different threatening? Sometimes the cause of something is just too simple to find.

**Cephus** · 08-30-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

We are all a product of our past and our surroundings. It is difficult to see clearly when you have chosen a side and are blinded by the thinking or beliefs of it.

If you really think about it we are all seeing things based on what we have heard, seen, been taught, or just experienced in the past. This would apply to things like what actions and beliefs are associated with which political party, but also goes as deep as some basic things like just believing what you see on the tube is real and not just some computer generated trick.

Could it be that unless we agree to completely remove everything we have learned and what makes up our beliefs and what we believe to be true we can not truly see any of the this issue on bias for what it really is?

It seems way too many people have either already made up their minds, are only repeating what they have been told previous, are protecting what they believe or a combination of all.

I have made a point of viewing or listening to all the news outlets mentioned as well as some not to be able to better understand where all the confusion is coming from. What I have learned is that though there was not too much available to prove or disprove anything, but also that there are very specific differences in the way the various outlets present the news, and even what they include or completely leave out.

When viewing all the ones that are tagged to be biased to the left I see much the same in the topic, manner of reporting, questioning, professional opinion or experts, and even the video footage.

On the other hand while many not listed show the same basics they also tend to show additional information and repeat themselves less on certain claims etc.

Many appear to do pretty much the same except for the fact that they offer slightly different presentation, and question the things that the first group accepts as or reports as fact much more often.

These things above could include cutting out of a video before the speaker stumbles, replaying a clip that includes an attack over and over, showing smiling faces or even showing smirks and rolling eyes, producing expert discussion that appears to follow a trend, and a host of similar little omissions or other simple things.

What I found interesting is that though I have only paid this close attention for a short time it was obvious that certain outlets were attempting to show different things in a positive way, and others just the same but in the opposite direction.

I guess you have to make your own decision if this is bias or just how these places work, but I can only estimate that so many accuse the media of being biased because they are certainly showing more perspectives, discussing and proofing the information more than the others, and without a doubt are not selling the same products as some of the others.

Honestly except for the different faces many of the more popular networks and media outlets, they all seem to be more the same than different. I still found very useful and interesting reporting from outside the norm or major outlets, but for the most part all the others were pretty much the same.

Could it be that we have become so used to one thing that we find something different threatening? Sometimes the cause of something is just too simple to find.

Although many believe that politics are one sided, this would be incorrect. I believe Government cannot be the answer to all our social ills and that only WE as citizens can make things better for ourselves free from outside interference and repressive Government regulations.

I do not believe the silver bullet to the problems associated with living is solved by a nanny socialist state. I do not believe that creating a dependent citizen body will lead to freedom, instead it will lead to the opposite and perhaps even enslavement.

I believe that Government is only intended to defend the nation from outside interests and conduct and enforce the laws of the land. It was NEVER meant to make our lives easier or manage the economy (which it cannot do anyway by the way).

**Iconoclast** · 08-30-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

[Government] was NEVER meant to make our lives easier or manage the economy (which it cannot do anyway by the way).

That is 100% wrong. If people vote for government to run the economy and a welfare safety net, then that is exactly what their government is for.

**Dragon-Fly** · 09-01-2008, 10:24 PM

The important thing is the background noise of the media. It is not direct advocacy, but rather a drumbeat of stories. There is no questioning among the media because that is their bread and butter.

The media are socialists because they do what socialists always do. They sit in their offices imagining a perfect world. They sit on their college campuses, deathly afraid of the real world, and imagine everything perfect. Yet everything they propose is nonsense. Ethanol is nonsense. Wind energy does not work. Solar panels are phony. If they worked, everyone would have them.

You cannot trust the media in any way. These people are angry idealists. That sounds counter intuitive, but idealists are always angry. Because the ideal is not possible even though they suggest it every day.

**Noddy** · 09-02-2008, 02:48 PM

This is an interesting topic.

It seems just like in real life most people here can see the spin put on things from some places (those reflecting bias to the left etc, and the lack of it from others, or even the limited times in the other direction), and only a small few actually attempt to debate this.

What I need to ask is why so few effectively debate the whole left wing bias in the media issue from the left?

Sure we see all kinds of accusations towards the media, but little to none really provide an explanation to back the idea that this really exists.

My question now is that can this be because just like with many issues where someone is caught with their hand in the cookie jar it is better to remain silent? Better yet can it just be that there is no way to debate something as obvious as the sky being blue.

Then maybe this is totally in left field and all the media outlets are practicing totally fair and balanced unbiased reporting and it really is only one or two media outlets that are biased and we all should avoid them.

In the end it would apear obvious that it is up to each and everyone of us to review the evidence and make the decision, and hopefully without our own bias clouding the truth.

**Cephus** · 09-02-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

That is 100% wrong. If people vote for government to run the economy and a welfare safety net, then that is exactly what their government is for.

Read the American Constitution and get back to me where it says the Government shall ensure the economic welfare of its citizens.

Governments cannot do it. Every attempt by Governments to do so is called Communism or Socialism which is its little brother. Both have failed miserably.

Yes the citizens can CHOOSE to elect Socialists who will fail miserably trying to make their promises to the citizens a reality. The FACT is that it will bankrupt the State and the people will be worse off. These are just the FACTS and only those who willingly suspend disbelief or wallow in denial can argue the contrary.

Socialist politicians say anything he can to get elected by making promises that cannot be kept and only the willing lemmings wallowing in denial of the nation, or partisan hacks who don’t care if they have to lie to the people, can believe those politicans will do what they promise.

I am sorry, but I can't wallow in enough denial to believe in Socialism or anything remotely connected to it. The historic facts are just too evident to believe in it.

**Cephus** · 09-24-2008, 04:02 PM

I know this may be a little off topic, but have you ever considered the many reasons politicians do not generally discuss the real issues and honest solutions?

I have and have also been involved with some discussions (people who know a lot more about this than I do, and some who are actually directly involved) and there really are several reasons.

Sure there is the obvious reason that if you don't have anything of any real substance to offer but still want to win (usually it is the party who is more guilty of that) you cloud things up with dirty politics and everything from attack adds to outright changing discussions to these antics.

There are also some that are even more concerning like the use of repeated lies. It is not the act that is so much the point but more the fact that there seems to be a acceptance that there is a extremely large amount of voters who do not understand the issues, problems, solutions, politics, government, the constitution, and the systems that surround them.

I found that many believe that the foundation of what really separates the political beliefs of political parties is not something everyone understands and find so boring that they are turned off to voting entirely.

So many just continue to preach the empty promises that have been getting people elected for years as this is the most effective way.

Are there any of us who are intelligent enough to vote based on the issues and politics of the candidates?

I get sick every time I think of this, and maybe am ignoring it just a little as it would drive me nuts to think that anyone makes a voting decision based on lip stick, free everythings for everyone, or any other non issues.

To apply this to the thread media bias topic, just consider how the different networks report on these non issue issues and just what is continually shoved down the viewers throats.

**Firegoat7** · 10-03-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Cephus

Read the American Constitution and get back to me where it says the Government shall ensure the economic welfare of its citizens.

Mate we are mainly Australians here. Why should we read the American constitution?

Originally Posted by Cephus

Governments cannot do it. Every attempt by Governments to do so is called Communism or Socialism which is its little brother. Both have failed miserably.

Cephus, with due respect you can't really make such a broad statement and expect us to believe it.

cheers,

**Cephus** · 10-07-2008, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Mate we are mainly Australians here. Why should we read the American constitution?

Cephus, with due respect you can't really make such a broad statement and expect us to believe it.

cheers,

Firegoat7

Please take a moment and try to think without prejudice and with as much empathy to the original purpose of the document as you can.

I do not expect us all to think the same (hey I know I don't agree with lots of stuff) but it really does seem that the more we get away from the countries original design the more liberties we give up and the worse things seem to get for the typical working class American.

I am not claiming who is right or wrong etc, but just that I believe all would gain from better understanding the real ideas of others who we may not always agree with.

This also goes for you all who immediately discard all of my discussion on possible scenario's for events leading up to 9/11 as well. If we can entertain all the potential people who would really benefit from this bailout and how this is not the same as the story we have been hearing from our legislators attempts to get us to accept it etc then why can we not consider that there are other things that have been not 100% factual in the past as well.

I am not backing every conspiracy theory etc, but since I do "question everything" lol and know many things are not what they seem as face value etc it only makes sense to explore all the possible and even probable things that could make up the truth.

Before anyone jumps on me or throws me into the conspiracy theorist pile please understand that no matter if we believe something or not there is still a need (especially for some of us) to review or questions the various possibilities.

Lets face it there are people all over the world who would lie to your face to be able to rip you off of a few dollars (there is a list of contractors alone in this area who make a living that way lol) and when the stakes are as high as 700bil or even control of an entire country you can not discount anything.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 10-11-2008, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Mate we are mainly Australians here. Why should we read the American constitution?

A better question would be how many of us have ever read the Australian Constitution. I am wagering that not to many of us have, probably less than 15% of the general population.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 10-19-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dragon-Fly

The important thing is the background noise of the media. It is not direct advocacy, but rather a drumbeat of stories. There is no questioning among the media because that is their bread and butter.

The media are socialists because they do what socialists always do. They sit in their offices imagining a perfect world. They sit on their college campuses, deathly afraid of the real world, and imagine everything perfect. Yet everything they propose is nonsense. Ethanol is nonsense. Wind energy does not work. Solar panels are phony. If they worked, everyone would have them.

You cannot trust the media in any way. These people are angry idealists. That sounds counter intuitive, but idealists are always angry. Because the ideal is not possible even though they suggest it every day.

They have forced conservatives out of the media and also forced conservatives out of teaching.

Now the media decides our politicians and our kids are all stupid ignoramuses.

Obama was selected, not elected!!!

Where will this madness end?

**Cephus** · 10-20-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

They have forced conservatives out of the media and also forced conservatives out of teaching.

Now the media decides our politicians and our kids are all stupid ignoramuses.

Obama was selected, not elected!!!

Where will this madness end?

What on earth does Obama have to do with anything, even if your ridiculous theory that he was 'selected' would be shown to have any substance at all, it would still not belong in this thread? This is a discussion on the media's left wing bias.

08-27-2008, 06:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 134	Left Wing Bias Okay, we constantly hear that the media has a left wing bias. Now my question is can anyone show me where some of the main media companies reveal a left wing bias? And no I do not believe that criticising Bush or Rudd or any other politician counts. What I am looking for is clear cut left wing bias or promoting out right lies or twisting facts for political bias. So does anyone have any examples of left wing media bias?

08-27-2008, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	The Real Bias Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop Okay, we constantly hear that the media has a left wing bias. Now my question is can anyone show me where some of the main media companies reveal a left wing bias? And no I do not believe that criticising Bush or Rudd or any other politician counts. What I am looking for is clear cut left wing bias or promoting out right lies or twisting facts for political bias. So does anyone have any examples of left wing media bias? the left-right paradigm traps us all. far more accurate to look at media bias of the ruling elite/establishment ie. the globalist bankers,major corporations which in effect own our political leaders and the mass media. go to www infowars.com to get a much more real picture of the world. but you will have to break through all the 'biased' conditioning that has formed your world view through out your entire life !

08-28-2008, 11:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Axiom far more accurate to look at media bias of the ruling elite/establishment ie. the globalist bankers,major corporations That's bang on the money! __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-29-2008, 01:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 134	Originally Posted by Axiom the left-right paradigm traps us all. far more accurate to look at media bias of the ruling elite/establishment ie. the globalist bankers,major corporations which in effect own our political leaders and the mass media. go to www infowars.com to get a much more real picture of the world. but you will have to break through all the 'biased' conditioning that has formed your world view through out your entire life ! We are all a product of our past and our surroundings. It is difficult to see clearly when you have chosen a side and are blinded by the thinking or beliefs of it. If you really think about it we are all seeing things based on what we have heard, seen, been taught, or just experienced in the past. This would apply to things like what actions and beliefs are associated with which political party, but also goes as deep as some basic things like just believing what you see on the tube is real and not just some computer generated trick. Could it be that unless we agree to completely remove everything we have learned and what makes up our beliefs and what we believe to be true we can not truly see any of the this issue on bias for what it really is? It seems way too many people have either already made up their minds, are only repeating what they have been told previous, are protecting what they believe or a combination of all. I have made a point of viewing or listening to all the news outlets mentioned as well as some not to be able to better understand where all the confusion is coming from. What I have learned is that though there was not too much available to prove or disprove anything, but also that there are very specific differences in the way the various outlets present the news, and even what they include or completely leave out. When viewing all the ones that are tagged to be biased to the left I see much the same in the topic, manner of reporting, questioning, professional opinion or experts, and even the video footage. On the other hand while many not listed show the same basics they also tend to show additional information and repeat themselves less on certain claims etc. Many appear to do pretty much the same except for the fact that they offer slightly different presentation, and question the things that the first group accepts as or reports as fact much more often. These things above could include cutting out of a video before the speaker stumbles, replaying a clip that includes an attack over and over, showing smiling faces or even showing smirks and rolling eyes, producing expert discussion that appears to follow a trend, and a host of similar little omissions or other simple things. What I found interesting is that though I have only paid this close attention for a short time it was obvious that certain outlets were attempting to show different things in a positive way, and others just the same but in the opposite direction. I guess you have to make your own decision if this is bias or just how these places work, but I can only estimate that so many accuse the media of being biased because they are certainly showing more perspectives, discussing and proofing the information more than the others, and without a doubt are not selling the same products as some of the others. Honestly except for the different faces many of the more popular networks and media outlets, they all seem to be more the same than different. I still found very useful and interesting reporting from outside the norm or major outlets, but for the most part all the others were pretty much the same. Could it be that we have become so used to one thing that we find something different threatening? Sometimes the cause of something is just too simple to find.

08-30-2008, 07:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop We are all a product of our past and our surroundings. It is difficult to see clearly when you have chosen a side and are blinded by the thinking or beliefs of it. If you really think about it we are all seeing things based on what we have heard, seen, been taught, or just experienced in the past. This would apply to things like what actions and beliefs are associated with which political party, but also goes as deep as some basic things like just believing what you see on the tube is real and not just some computer generated trick. Could it be that unless we agree to completely remove everything we have learned and what makes up our beliefs and what we believe to be true we can not truly see any of the this issue on bias for what it really is? It seems way too many people have either already made up their minds, are only repeating what they have been told previous, are protecting what they believe or a combination of all. I have made a point of viewing or listening to all the news outlets mentioned as well as some not to be able to better understand where all the confusion is coming from. What I have learned is that though there was not too much available to prove or disprove anything, but also that there are very specific differences in the way the various outlets present the news, and even what they include or completely leave out. When viewing all the ones that are tagged to be biased to the left I see much the same in the topic, manner of reporting, questioning, professional opinion or experts, and even the video footage. On the other hand while many not listed show the same basics they also tend to show additional information and repeat themselves less on certain claims etc. Many appear to do pretty much the same except for the fact that they offer slightly different presentation, and question the things that the first group accepts as or reports as fact much more often. These things above could include cutting out of a video before the speaker stumbles, replaying a clip that includes an attack over and over, showing smiling faces or even showing smirks and rolling eyes, producing expert discussion that appears to follow a trend, and a host of similar little omissions or other simple things. What I found interesting is that though I have only paid this close attention for a short time it was obvious that certain outlets were attempting to show different things in a positive way, and others just the same but in the opposite direction. I guess you have to make your own decision if this is bias or just how these places work, but I can only estimate that so many accuse the media of being biased because they are certainly showing more perspectives, discussing and proofing the information more than the others, and without a doubt are not selling the same products as some of the others. Honestly except for the different faces many of the more popular networks and media outlets, they all seem to be more the same than different. I still found very useful and interesting reporting from outside the norm or major outlets, but for the most part all the others were pretty much the same. Could it be that we have become so used to one thing that we find something different threatening? Sometimes the cause of something is just too simple to find. Although many believe that politics are one sided, this would be incorrect. I believe Government cannot be the answer to all our social ills and that only WE as citizens can make things better for ourselves free from outside interference and repressive Government regulations. I do not believe the silver bullet to the problems associated with living is solved by a nanny socialist state. I do not believe that creating a dependent citizen body will lead to freedom, instead it will lead to the opposite and perhaps even enslavement. I believe that Government is only intended to defend the nation from outside interests and conduct and enforce the laws of the land. It was NEVER meant to make our lives easier or manage the economy (which it cannot do anyway by the way).

08-30-2008, 10:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Cephus [Government] was NEVER meant to make our lives easier or manage the economy (which it cannot do anyway by the way). That is 100% wrong. If people vote for government to run the economy and a welfare safety net, then that is exactly what their government is for. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-01-2008, 10:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dragon-Fly Red Baron Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 64	The important thing is the background noise of the media. It is not direct advocacy, but rather a drumbeat of stories. There is no questioning among the media because that is their bread and butter. The media are socialists because they do what socialists always do. They sit in their offices imagining a perfect world. They sit on their college campuses, deathly afraid of the real world, and imagine everything perfect. Yet everything they propose is nonsense. Ethanol is nonsense. Wind energy does not work. Solar panels are phony. If they worked, everyone would have them. You cannot trust the media in any way. These people are angry idealists. That sounds counter intuitive, but idealists are always angry. Because the ideal is not possible even though they suggest it every day.

09-02-2008, 02:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 134	This is an interesting topic. It seems just like in real life most people here can see the spin put on things from some places (those reflecting bias to the left etc, and the lack of it from others, or even the limited times in the other direction), and only a small few actually attempt to debate this. What I need to ask is why so few effectively debate the whole left wing bias in the media issue from the left? Sure we see all kinds of accusations towards the media, but little to none really provide an explanation to back the idea that this really exists. My question now is that can this be because just like with many issues where someone is caught with their hand in the cookie jar it is better to remain silent? Better yet can it just be that there is no way to debate something as obvious as the sky being blue. Then maybe this is totally in left field and all the media outlets are practicing totally fair and balanced unbiased reporting and it really is only one or two media outlets that are biased and we all should avoid them. In the end it would apear obvious that it is up to each and everyone of us to review the evidence and make the decision, and hopefully without our own bias clouding the truth.

09-02-2008, 03:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Iconoclast That is 100% wrong. If people vote for government to run the economy and a welfare safety net, then that is exactly what their government is for. Read the American Constitution and get back to me where it says the Government shall ensure the economic welfare of its citizens. Governments cannot do it. Every attempt by Governments to do so is called Communism or Socialism which is its little brother. Both have failed miserably. Yes the citizens can CHOOSE to elect Socialists who will fail miserably trying to make their promises to the citizens a reality. The FACT is that it will bankrupt the State and the people will be worse off. These are just the FACTS and only those who willingly suspend disbelief or wallow in denial can argue the contrary. Socialist politicians say anything he can to get elected by making promises that cannot be kept and only the willing lemmings wallowing in denial of the nation, or partisan hacks who don’t care if they have to lie to the people, can believe those politicans will do what they promise. I am sorry, but I can't wallow in enough denial to believe in Socialism or anything remotely connected to it. The historic facts are just too evident to believe in it.

09-24-2008, 04:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	I know this may be a little off topic, but have you ever considered the many reasons politicians do not generally discuss the real issues and honest solutions? I have and have also been involved with some discussions (people who know a lot more about this than I do, and some who are actually directly involved) and there really are several reasons. Sure there is the obvious reason that if you don't have anything of any real substance to offer but still want to win (usually it is the party who is more guilty of that) you cloud things up with dirty politics and everything from attack adds to outright changing discussions to these antics. There are also some that are even more concerning like the use of repeated lies. It is not the act that is so much the point but more the fact that there seems to be a acceptance that there is a extremely large amount of voters who do not understand the issues, problems, solutions, politics, government, the constitution, and the systems that surround them. I found that many believe that the foundation of what really separates the political beliefs of political parties is not something everyone understands and find so boring that they are turned off to voting entirely. So many just continue to preach the empty promises that have been getting people elected for years as this is the most effective way. Are there any of us who are intelligent enough to vote based on the issues and politics of the candidates? I get sick every time I think of this, and maybe am ignoring it just a little as it would drive me nuts to think that anyone makes a voting decision based on lip stick, free everythings for everyone, or any other non issues. To apply this to the thread media bias topic, just consider how the different networks report on these non issue issues and just what is continually shoved down the viewers throats.

10-03-2008, 01:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Playing backyard cricket Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: somewhere in virtual reality Posts: 605	Originally Posted by Cephus Read the American Constitution and get back to me where it says the Government shall ensure the economic welfare of its citizens. Mate we are mainly Australians here. Why should we read the American constitution? Originally Posted by Cephus Governments cannot do it. Every attempt by Governments to do so is called Communism or Socialism which is its little brother. Both have failed miserably. Cephus, with due respect you can't really make such a broad statement and expect us to believe it. cheers, __________________ "...A thorough knowledge of the elements takes us more than half the road to mastership" - Aron Nimzowitsch

10-07-2008, 02:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Mate we are mainly Australians here. Why should we read the American constitution? Cephus, with due respect you can't really make such a broad statement and expect us to believe it. cheers, Firegoat7 Please take a moment and try to think without prejudice and with as much empathy to the original purpose of the document as you can. I do not expect us all to think the same (hey I know I don't agree with lots of stuff) but it really does seem that the more we get away from the countries original design the more liberties we give up and the worse things seem to get for the typical working class American. I am not claiming who is right or wrong etc, but just that I believe all would gain from better understanding the real ideas of others who we may not always agree with. This also goes for you all who immediately discard all of my discussion on possible scenario's for events leading up to 9/11 as well. If we can entertain all the potential people who would really benefit from this bailout and how this is not the same as the story we have been hearing from our legislators attempts to get us to accept it etc then why can we not consider that there are other things that have been not 100% factual in the past as well. I am not backing every conspiracy theory etc, but since I do "question everything" lol and know many things are not what they seem as face value etc it only makes sense to explore all the possible and even probable things that could make up the truth. Before anyone jumps on me or throws me into the conspiracy theorist pile please understand that no matter if we believe something or not there is still a need (especially for some of us) to review or questions the various possibilities. Lets face it there are people all over the world who would lie to your face to be able to rip you off of a few dollars (there is a list of contractors alone in this area who make a living that way lol) and when the stakes are as high as 700bil or even control of an entire country you can not discount anything.

10-11-2008, 07:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 204	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Mate we are mainly Australians here. Why should we read the American constitution? A better question would be how many of us have ever read the Australian Constitution. I am wagering that not to many of us have, probably less than 15% of the general population.

10-19-2008, 06:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 204	Originally Posted by Dragon-Fly The important thing is the background noise of the media. It is not direct advocacy, but rather a drumbeat of stories. There is no questioning among the media because that is their bread and butter. The media are socialists because they do what socialists always do. They sit in their offices imagining a perfect world. They sit on their college campuses, deathly afraid of the real world, and imagine everything perfect. Yet everything they propose is nonsense. Ethanol is nonsense. Wind energy does not work. Solar panels are phony. If they worked, everyone would have them. You cannot trust the media in any way. These people are angry idealists. That sounds counter intuitive, but idealists are always angry. Because the ideal is not possible even though they suggest it every day. They have forced conservatives out of the media and also forced conservatives out of teaching. Now the media decides our politicians and our kids are all stupid ignoramuses. Obama was selected, not elected!!! Where will this madness end?

10-20-2008, 04:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures They have forced conservatives out of the media and also forced conservatives out of teaching. Now the media decides our politicians and our kids are all stupid ignoramuses. Obama was selected, not elected!!! Where will this madness end? What on earth does Obama have to do with anything, even if your ridiculous theory that he was 'selected' would be shown to have any substance at all, it would still not belong in this thread? This is a discussion on the media's left wing bias.

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