Racist thugs - OzChess

**Chessic-Adventures** · 08-23-2008, 06:59 AM

A Sudanese teenager is now living in fear because the four racist thugs who assaulted him were set free.

He also was harassed after the incident and had to change his phone number, address, and school.

It seems like the Australian justice system isn't being too just. Also, the teenager arrived in Australia in 2006 so he's only been here for a bit and he's already had a bad experience.

**Iconoclast** · 08-23-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

It seems like the Australian justice system isn't being too just.

More just than the Sudanese army.

Our system is not perfect, but the chance of being killed this year by a stranger in Australia is close enough to zero - half million to 1

**Cephus** · 09-05-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

More just than the Sudanese army.

Our system is not perfect, but the chance of being killed this year by a stranger in Australia is close enough to zero - half million to 1

Well, I don't think your country should be brining in refugees if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those refugees.

**Iconoclast** · 09-05-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

Well, I don't think your country should be brining in refugees if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those refugees.

Let me demonstrate the difficulty of justifying your position. I will replace "refugees" with "babies". It reads thus:

"Well, I don't think your country should be bringing babies into the world if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those babies."

They are refugees. Like it or not they are there, they are real, they will continue to be generated by the world. Ignoring them does not make them disappear. We are wealthy and can afford to help, so we should.

**Axiom** · 09-05-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

Well, I don't think your country should be brining in refugees if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those refugees.

Oh like your country with its wide open borders ?

**Noddy** · 09-05-2008, 09:39 PM

They are not bad at all. Many refugees go to my school and when I graduate next year I am sure many of them will also go to TAFE or Uni with me and that is fine and I have no problems at all with that because some of them are good friends. Once they adjust to life in the big city then they are just fine, but they need to adjust first, that is why they have to be given that chance.

**Arrogant-One** · 09-06-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Let me demonstrate the difficulty of justifying your position. I will replace "refugees" with "babies". It reads thus:

"Well, I don't think your country should be bringing babies into the world if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those babies."

They are refugees. Like it or not they are there, they are real, they will continue to be generated by the world. Ignoring them does not make them disappear. We are wealthy and can afford to help, so we should.

Agreed, but there are more ways to help them then to simply relocate them.

Best Regards,

AO

**Noddy** · 09-07-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Agreed, but there are more ways to help them then to simply relocate them.

Best Regards,

AO

I've personally seen a friend of mine being attacked because of his race. It's one of those things that destroys a persons state of mind. But he got over it and realised that its just ignorance. Those people just cannot share the world with the likes of others who look different. I also think its due to insecurity, but thats just people I suppose.

**collieschess** · 09-08-2008, 04:12 PM

I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job.

I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc?

Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them......

**Arrogant-One** · 09-08-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by collieschess

I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job.

I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc?

Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them......

Sorry your post got caught in the moderation queue Collieschess. The term 'big job' that you used in your post was similiar enough to another term the spam filter is on the lookout for, and it was therefore placed it in the queue. I am about to adjust your post count so this won't occur again.

Best Regards,

AO

**Thomas Bishop** · 09-11-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by collieschess

I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job.

You must be kidding! We are the lucky country and have more wealth than we know what to do with. Its our place to help those who are less fortunate. That's what it means to be Australian.

**Noddy** · 09-11-2008, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by collieschess

I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job.

I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc?

Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them......

The statistics are that slightly more migrants than Australians find jobs in Australia and just half the migrants come here on skilled visas while only 12% come in on the humanitarian visa program.

The vast majority of migrants are younger than the baby boomer generation, and are helping fill the skills and labour shortage created as boomers drop out of the Australian workforce.

6250.0 - Labour Force Status and Other Characteristics of Recent Migrants, Australia, Nov 2007

**Dragon-Fly** · 09-12-2008, 06:11 AM

Such an approach would make Australia look super bad and super heartless in the eyes on the global community.

I think we could probably fix our own problems while also helping others.

Though I also am of the view that the world, as a whole, is overpopulated and Governments should not encourage families to keep having lots of kids etc. The more people there are, the more pollution, food shortages, etc. It sometimes amazes me that this issue does not generate more public discussion around the world. Seems like people just worry about global warming. If the world was not overpopulated there would not be any global warming.

Though I do also have in the back of my mind something I learned when I was back at uni and it stuck in my head until this day. We were learning about Ice Ages etc and apparently they happen every X number of years (well i forgot exactly how often) but I do remember we were supposed to be heading into the next Ice Age! And so in that respect, I prefer global warming over an Ice Age! since I really hate the cold

**Thomas Bishop** · 09-14-2008, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by collieschess

I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job.

I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc?

Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them......

Most of us come here to debate chess, not politics. The issue of foreign aid and assisting other countries to eliminate their poverty is complex and has a lot to do with helping regional and international stability. In some countries particularly the poorest a small amount of aid goes a long way. We at least have a good social security system and fine tuning that system should help with those slipping below the poverty line.

Don't forget that in this country everyone has access to health, education and sufficient support to remain adequately fed. The argument being run is a poor one as we will never lift everyone above Australias version of the poverty line as the line will shift as you raise standards.

If you simply think its fine to ignore the plight of the worlds poor and let them starve then the theme in the colliechess post is the one you need to acheive that.

**Iconoclast** · 09-14-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

Most of us come here to debate chess, not politics.

Really?

08-23-2008, 06:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 204	Racist thugs A Sudanese teenager is now living in fear because the four racist thugs who assaulted him were set free. He also was harassed after the incident and had to change his phone number, address, and school. It seems like the Australian justice system isn't being too just. Also, the teenager arrived in Australia in 2006 so he's only been here for a bit and he's already had a bad experience.

08-23-2008, 02:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures It seems like the Australian justice system isn't being too just. More just than the Sudanese army. Our system is not perfect, but the chance of being killed this year by a stranger in Australia is close enough to zero - half million to 1 __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-05-2008, 01:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Iconoclast More just than the Sudanese army. Our system is not perfect, but the chance of being killed this year by a stranger in Australia is close enough to zero - half million to 1 Well, I don't think your country should be brining in refugees if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those refugees.

09-05-2008, 06:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Cephus Well, I don't think your country should be brining in refugees if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those refugees. Let me demonstrate the difficulty of justifying your position. I will replace "refugees" with "babies". It reads thus: "Well, I don't think your country should be bringing babies into the world if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those babies." They are refugees. Like it or not they are there, they are real, they will continue to be generated by the world. Ignoring them does not make them disappear. We are wealthy and can afford to help, so we should. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-05-2008, 06:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Originally Posted by Cephus Well, I don't think your country should be brining in refugees if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those refugees. Oh like your country with its wide open borders ?

09-05-2008, 09:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 134	They are not bad at all. Many refugees go to my school and when I graduate next year I am sure many of them will also go to TAFE or Uni with me and that is fine and I have no problems at all with that because some of them are good friends. Once they adjust to life in the big city then they are just fine, but they need to adjust first, that is why they have to be given that chance.

09-06-2008, 10:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,682 ICC Handle: Just2Good FICS Handle: Advantage	Helping Refugees Originally Posted by Iconoclast Let me demonstrate the difficulty of justifying your position. I will replace "refugees" with "babies". It reads thus: "Well, I don't think your country should be bringing babies into the world if it is unable to guarantee their safety and if the general population simply doesn't want those babies." They are refugees. Like it or not they are there, they are real, they will continue to be generated by the world. Ignoring them does not make them disappear. We are wealthy and can afford to help, so we should. Agreed, but there are more ways to help them then to simply relocate them. Best Regards, AO __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

09-07-2008, 07:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 134	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Agreed, but there are more ways to help them then to simply relocate them. Best Regards, AO I've personally seen a friend of mine being attacked because of his race. It's one of those things that destroys a persons state of mind. But he got over it and realised that its just ignorance. Those people just cannot share the world with the likes of others who look different. I also think its due to insecurity, but thats just people I suppose.

09-08-2008, 04:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
collieschess Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 18	I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job. I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc? Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them......

09-08-2008, 11:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,682 ICC Handle: Just2Good FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by collieschess I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job. I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc? Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them...... Sorry your post got caught in the moderation queue Collieschess. The term 'big job' that you used in your post was similiar enough to another term the spam filter is on the lookout for, and it was therefore placed it in the queue. I am about to adjust your post count so this won't occur again. Best Regards, AO __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

09-11-2008, 02:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Thomas Bishop Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 39	Originally Posted by collieschess I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job. You must be kidding! We are the lucky country and have more wealth than we know what to do with. Its our place to help those who are less fortunate. That's what it means to be Australian.

09-11-2008, 09:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 134	Originally Posted by collieschess I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job. I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc? Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them...... The statistics are that slightly more migrants than Australians find jobs in Australia and just half the migrants come here on skilled visas while only 12% come in on the humanitarian visa program. The vast majority of migrants are younger than the baby boomer generation, and are helping fill the skills and labour shortage created as boomers drop out of the Australian workforce. 6250.0 - Labour Force Status and Other Characteristics of Recent Migrants, Australia, Nov 2007

09-12-2008, 06:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
Dragon-Fly Red Baron Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 64	Such an approach would make Australia look super bad and super heartless in the eyes on the global community. I think we could probably fix our own problems while also helping others. Though I also am of the view that the world, as a whole, is overpopulated and Governments should not encourage families to keep having lots of kids etc. The more people there are, the more pollution, food shortages, etc. It sometimes amazes me that this issue does not generate more public discussion around the world. Seems like people just worry about global warming. If the world was not overpopulated there would not be any global warming. Though I do also have in the back of my mind something I learned when I was back at uni and it stuck in my head until this day. We were learning about Ice Ages etc and apparently they happen every X number of years (well i forgot exactly how often) but I do remember we were supposed to be heading into the next Ice Age! And so in that respect, I prefer global warming over an Ice Age! since I really hate the cold

09-14-2008, 04:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
Thomas Bishop Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 39	Originally Posted by collieschess I think yes we should help them but we should help those who are in our own country first. Get rid of poverty in Aus before assisting other countries eliminating theirs. ours would be a smaller job. Lets tackle the smaller job beofre tackling the big job. I like chess for its cultural diversity. where else would you see a Muslim accross from an Israeli... A serbian sitting accross from a Bosnian? where else can you have friends with europeans, asians, etc etc etc? Its only the vast minority that i beleive do things due to peoples race.... but you hear more of them...... Most of us come here to debate chess, not politics. The issue of foreign aid and assisting other countries to eliminate their poverty is complex and has a lot to do with helping regional and international stability. In some countries particularly the poorest a small amount of aid goes a long way. We at least have a good social security system and fine tuning that system should help with those slipping below the poverty line. Don't forget that in this country everyone has access to health, education and sufficient support to remain adequately fed. The argument being run is a poor one as we will never lift everyone above Australias version of the poverty line as the line will shift as you raise standards. If you simply think its fine to ignore the plight of the worlds poor and let them starve then the theme in the colliechess post is the one you need to acheive that.

09-14-2008, 04:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop Most of us come here to debate chess, not politics. Really? __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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