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**Chessic-Adventures** · 09-15-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop

Most of us come here to debate chess, not politics. The issue of foreign aid and assisting other countries to eliminate their poverty is complex and has a lot to do with helping regional and international stability. In some countries particularly the poorest a small amount of aid goes a long way. We at least have a good social security system and fine tuning that system should help with those slipping below the poverty line.

Don't forget that in this country everyone has access to health, education and sufficient support to remain adequately fed. The argument being run is a poor one as we will never lift everyone above Australias version of the poverty line as the line will shift as you raise standards.

If you simply think its fine to ignore the plight of the worlds poor and let them starve then the theme in the colliechess post is the one you need to acheive that.

Foreign Aid

Remember when we "gave" 3 billion after the boxing day tsunami? Many people don't realise that wasn't a gift. It was a loan, with interest.

The other really great example of isolationism is Afghanastan. When the Taliban finally won control of the country (or most of it) the West disengaged. Not only did we stand by while the Taliban built up a base there but we watched as they destroyed the country, it's history and it's people. Good job! Rwanda anyone? Sudan? Cambodia?

Immigration

The correct number is parity. Regardles of race issues Australia is overpopulated. We have known for decades we were over taxing our natural sources of fresh water. The only ways to "make" fresh water that I know of are energy intensive in a world where energy is becoming increasingly expensive. The simple fact is higher population is driving up the cost of living and down the quality of life. I don't care really where they come from nor on what basis they come, we need to downsize our population to about 13 million.

No one seems to have notice that Kevin Rudd has upped immigration to 300,000 form the 110,000 of the Howard gov, who in turn had upped it from 70,000 Hawke/Keeting. It should be about 30,000.

They love immigration because bringing in labour makes a few smart ass's rich while the rest of us pay for it. If you want to live in an overpopulated country then emigrate. You have plenty of options.

**Iconoclast** · 09-15-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

Foreign Aid

Remember when we "gave" 3 billion after the boxing day tsunami? Many people don't realise that wasn't a gift. It was a loan, with interest.

The other really great example of isolationism is Afghanastan. When the Taliban finally won control of the country (or most of it) the West disengaged. Not only did we stand by while the Taliban built up a base there but we watched as they destroyed the country, it's history and it's people. Good job! Rwanda anyone? Sudan? Cambodia?

Immigration

The correct number is parity. Regardles of race issues Australia is overpopulated. We have known for decades we were over taxing our natural sources of fresh water. The only ways to "make" fresh water that I know of are energy intensive in a world where energy is becoming increasingly expensive. The simple fact is higher population is driving up the cost of living and down the quality of life. I don't care really where they come from nor on what basis they come, we need to downsize our population to about 13 million.

No one seems to have notice that Kevin Rudd has upped immigration to 300,000 form the 110,000 of the Howard gov, who in turn had upped it from 70,000 Hawke/Keeting. It should be about 30,000.

They love immigration because bringing in labour makes a few smart ass's rich while the rest of us pay for it. If you want to live in an overpopulated country then emigrate. You have plenty of options.

Great post

**Just2Good** · 09-15-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Great post

I beg to differ. After the Tsunami some Asian countries were basket cases. Even if the money Australia sent was 'technically' a loan, there was no real expectation that such money would ever be repaid. Hence, it was really a gift or charity.

Best Regards,

AO

**Counterplay** · 09-17-2008, 03:36 AM

1. As I am currently living in a country where Australia invests foreign aid reasonably heavily...
... I see clear examples of how it is a good thing for both Australia and the country involved.
To shut it down would have dramatic and negative consequences for Australia.

2. As I am currently living in a country where 'average daily earnings' are somewhere between US$1 and US$2 per day, and 30% of the children are malnourished, and 10% of children suffer from organ damage from malnutrition because of the low wage levels ...
..... I can tell you that there is no poverty in Australia, although I recognise that some may be unhappy with their current income level and living standards.

3. As I am currently living in a country that is desperately trying to educate their population in vocational training, and achieve an educational level that will allow them to come to Australia and work under a 'seasonal vacancy and skills shortage" program (basically 9 month work visa's)...
...I can tell you that there are thousands of jobs going unfilled in Australia that migrants (permanant or temporary) can fill, which would assist our economy, which is the whole bloody point.

4. As someone that has some small experience and interest in the process and workings of Government, I can tell you that regardless what side of the political fence a party is, the most important responsibility of the Government is to generate the conditions for a growing domestic economy...
.... and foreign aid and migration is a part of that, and is only done when it either assists in the growth of the donor country's domestic economy, or when it is needed to "win the next election".

**Iconoclast** · 09-17-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Karpov Killer

As I am currently living in a country where 'average daily earnings' are somewhere between US$1 and US$2 per day, and 30% of the children are malnourished, and 10% of children suffer from organ damage from malnutrition because of the low wage levels

Are you living in England or the Mississippi Delta?

**vagrantnomad** · 09-19-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

A Sudanese teenager is now living in fear because the four racist thugs who assaulted him were set free.

He also was harassed after the incident and had to change his phone number, address, and school.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE AUSTRALIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM ISN'T BEING TOO JUST. Also, the teenager arrived in Australia in 2006 so he's only been here for a bit and he's already had a bad experience.

REALY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Axiom give this good hearted younster a wake up call!!

i could give you my personal 'xp' but im not gona.

09-15-2008, 12:44 AM	#16 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 221	Originally Posted by Thomas Bishop Most of us come here to debate chess, not politics. The issue of foreign aid and assisting other countries to eliminate their poverty is complex and has a lot to do with helping regional and international stability. In some countries particularly the poorest a small amount of aid goes a long way. We at least have a good social security system and fine tuning that system should help with those slipping below the poverty line. Don't forget that in this country everyone has access to health, education and sufficient support to remain adequately fed. The argument being run is a poor one as we will never lift everyone above Australias version of the poverty line as the line will shift as you raise standards. If you simply think its fine to ignore the plight of the worlds poor and let them starve then the theme in the colliechess post is the one you need to acheive that. Foreign Aid Remember when we "gave" 3 billion after the boxing day tsunami? Many people don't realise that wasn't a gift. It was a loan, with interest. The other really great example of isolationism is Afghanastan. When the Taliban finally won control of the country (or most of it) the West disengaged. Not only did we stand by while the Taliban built up a base there but we watched as they destroyed the country, it's history and it's people. Good job! Rwanda anyone? Sudan? Cambodia? Immigration The correct number is parity. Regardles of race issues Australia is overpopulated. We have known for decades we were over taxing our natural sources of fresh water. The only ways to "make" fresh water that I know of are energy intensive in a world where energy is becoming increasingly expensive. The simple fact is higher population is driving up the cost of living and down the quality of life. I don't care really where they come from nor on what basis they come, we need to downsize our population to about 13 million. No one seems to have notice that Kevin Rudd has upped immigration to 300,000 form the 110,000 of the Howard gov, who in turn had upped it from 70,000 Hawke/Keeting. It should be about 30,000. They love immigration because bringing in labour makes a few smart ass's rich while the rest of us pay for it. If you want to live in an overpopulated country then emigrate. You have plenty of options.

09-15-2008, 10:02 PM	#17 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures Foreign Aid Remember when we "gave" 3 billion after the boxing day tsunami? Many people don't realise that wasn't a gift. It was a loan, with interest. The other really great example of isolationism is Afghanastan. When the Taliban finally won control of the country (or most of it) the West disengaged. Not only did we stand by while the Taliban built up a base there but we watched as they destroyed the country, it's history and it's people. Good job! Rwanda anyone? Sudan? Cambodia? Immigration The correct number is parity. Regardles of race issues Australia is overpopulated. We have known for decades we were over taxing our natural sources of fresh water. The only ways to "make" fresh water that I know of are energy intensive in a world where energy is becoming increasingly expensive. The simple fact is higher population is driving up the cost of living and down the quality of life. I don't care really where they come from nor on what basis they come, we need to downsize our population to about 13 million. No one seems to have notice that Kevin Rudd has upped immigration to 300,000 form the 110,000 of the Howard gov, who in turn had upped it from 70,000 Hawke/Keeting. It should be about 30,000. They love immigration because bringing in labour makes a few smart ass's rich while the rest of us pay for it. If you want to live in an overpopulated country then emigrate. You have plenty of options. Great post __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-15-2008, 11:16 PM	#18 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Great post I beg to differ. After the Tsunami some Asian countries were basket cases. Even if the money Australia sent was 'technically' a loan, there was no real expectation that such money would ever be repaid. Hence, it was really a gift or charity. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-17-2008, 05:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Karpov Killer As I am currently living in a country where 'average daily earnings' are somewhere between US$1 and US$2 per day, and 30% of the children are malnourished, and 10% of children suffer from organ damage from malnutrition because of the low wage levels Are you living in England or the Mississippi Delta? __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-19-2008, 08:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 272	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures A Sudanese teenager is now living in fear because the four racist thugs who assaulted him were set free. He also was harassed after the incident and had to change his phone number, address, and school. IT SEEMS LIKE THE AUSTRALIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM ISN'T BEING TOO JUST. Also, the teenager arrived in Australia in 2006 so he's only been here for a bit and he's already had a bad experience. REALY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Axiom give this good hearted younster a wake up call!! i could give you my personal 'xp' but im not gona.

09-17-2008, 03:36 AM	#19 (permalink)
Counterplay Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 76	1. As I am currently living in a country where Australia invests foreign aid reasonably heavily... ... I see clear examples of how it is a good thing for both Australia and the country involved. To shut it down would have dramatic and negative consequences for Australia. 2. As I am currently living in a country where 'average daily earnings' are somewhere between US$1 and US$2 per day, and 30% of the children are malnourished, and 10% of children suffer from organ damage from malnutrition because of the low wage levels ... ..... I can tell you that there is no poverty in Australia, although I recognise that some may be unhappy with their current income level and living standards. 3. As I am currently living in a country that is desperately trying to educate their population in vocational training, and achieve an educational level that will allow them to come to Australia and work under a 'seasonal vacancy and skills shortage" program (basically 9 month work visa's)... ...I can tell you that there are thousands of jobs going unfilled in Australia that migrants (permanant or temporary) can fill, which would assist our economy, which is the whole bloody point. 4. As someone that has some small experience and interest in the process and workings of Government, I can tell you that regardless what side of the political fence a party is, the most important responsibility of the Government is to generate the conditions for a growing domestic economy... .... and foreign aid and migration is a part of that, and is only done when it either assists in the growth of the donor country's domestic economy, or when it is needed to "win the next election".

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