Payment for Victims! - OzChess

**Gumshoe Mystery** · 08-15-2008, 04:40 PM

Someone I know recently had his house burgled and over $10,000 in cash was taken along with other valuable and jewellery. The idiot who did it was caught and eventually sent to gaol. One of my other mates said that since this thug could not possably repay the stolen money, his body should be harvested out and his organs sold to the highest bidder in order to pay restitution. One kidney, one retna, one lung, blood and bone marrow, anything that he could survive without. I had never thought of that before and will throw it open for other opinions? I think maybe this is exactly what the system needs to get the message across that stealing is wrong.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 08-20-2008, 12:14 PM

Well what did the guy use the money for?

If he wasted it, they could probably return the goods he bought and at least get a portion of it back. As for selling his organs it's rather brutal but yet it works. I actually never thought of that, I guess it could work. But the public would be outraged for the most part so I doubt they would pass such a regulation.

**Iconoclast** · 08-20-2008, 10:43 PM

Fellows. Get it right. Sell his heart.

**Cephus** · 08-27-2008, 09:59 PM

Changing the penal system to require work-for-restitution in property crimes and in some violent crimes (to pay for medical expenses incurred by the victims) just might have some seriously good consequences. For one, rehabilitable criminals would be able to learn job skills and work ethic while incarcerated instead of networking exclusively with other criminals. They could be used to do some state jobs thus reducing the number of government employees. This could be extended to the private sector as well. With so many jobs being able to be done via telecommuting, even maximum security prisoners should be able to help repay victims.

Second, it would soon become apparent which criminals could not be expected to ever become productive citizens (those unable to forgo violence in interpersonal relationships and unable to adapt to societal norms like honesty in dealing with others, etc.) Being forced to demonstrate reform in the workplace and in the prison population over a substantial period as a condition of being paroled would be a serious incentive to seriously change one's life.

**Iconoclast** · 08-29-2008, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cephus

... rehabilitable criminals would be able to learn job skills and work ethic while incarcerated instead of networking exclusively with other criminals.

They cannot network into crime when they are in gaol either.

They could be used to do some state jobs thus reducing the number of government employees.

I am sure the current government employees will be glad to here that.

This could be extended to the private sector as well.

98% of employers would rather drown in a bucket of dogs' vomit than employ an ex crim.

With so many jobs being able to be done via telecommuting, even maximum security prisoners should be able to help repay victims.

We call that slave labour. Kept under lock and key and expected to work for peanuts. And if you paid the inmates a commercial rate, then a sizeable number of unemployed people could be expected to try to get gaoled.

So, I do not hold much hope for your good hearted ideas.

Second, it would soon become apparent which criminals could not be expected to ever become productive citizens (those unable to forgo violence in interpersonal relationships and unable to adapt to societal norms like honesty in dealing with others, etc.)

We already know which ones they are. They are called the recidivists. Three cheers for three strikes.
[quote]Being forced to demonstrate reform in the workplace and in the prison population over a substantial period as a condition of being paroled would be a serious incentive to seriously change one's life.[quote]Would it really be a "serious incentive?" The stats show that the same filth keep revolving through the system crime-trial-gaol-parole-crime. This pattern remains firm regardless of the "serious incentives." The most common way the cycle is broken is by death related to their career and life style choices.

While I am a bleeding heart left winger, when it comes to humans who hurt humans, I say get rid of them forever - life without parole on a prison island.

08-15-2008, 04:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gumshoe Mystery Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 141	Payment for Victims! Someone I know recently had his house burgled and over $10,000 in cash was taken along with other valuable and jewellery. The idiot who did it was caught and eventually sent to gaol. One of my other mates said that since this thug could not possably repay the stolen money, his body should be harvested out and his organs sold to the highest bidder in order to pay restitution. One kidney, one retna, one lung, blood and bone marrow, anything that he could survive without. I had never thought of that before and will throw it open for other opinions? I think maybe this is exactly what the system needs to get the message across that stealing is wrong. __________________ Student Retreat \| Web Hosting from £1.95 a Month

08-20-2008, 10:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Fellows. Get it right. Sell his heart. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-29-2008, 12:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Cephus ... rehabilitable criminals would be able to learn job skills and work ethic while incarcerated instead of networking exclusively with other criminals. They cannot network into crime when they are in gaol either. They could be used to do some state jobs thus reducing the number of government employees. I am sure the current government employees will be glad to here that. This could be extended to the private sector as well. 98% of employers would rather drown in a bucket of dogs' vomit than employ an ex crim. With so many jobs being able to be done via telecommuting, even maximum security prisoners should be able to help repay victims. We call that slave labour. Kept under lock and key and expected to work for peanuts. And if you paid the inmates a commercial rate, then a sizeable number of unemployed people could be expected to try to get gaoled. So, I do not hold much hope for your good hearted ideas. Second, it would soon become apparent which criminals could not be expected to ever become productive citizens (those unable to forgo violence in interpersonal relationships and unable to adapt to societal norms like honesty in dealing with others, etc.) We already know which ones they are. They are called the recidivists. Three cheers for three strikes. [quote]Being forced to demonstrate reform in the workplace and in the prison population over a substantial period as a condition of being paroled would be a serious incentive to seriously change one's life.[quote]Would it really be a "serious incentive?" The stats show that the same filth keep revolving through the system crime-trial-gaol-parole-crime. This pattern remains firm regardless of the "serious incentives." The most common way the cycle is broken is by death related to their career and life style choices. While I am a bleeding heart left winger, when it comes to humans who hurt humans, I say get rid of them forever - life without parole on a prison island. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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08-20-2008, 12:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 204	Well what did the guy use the money for? If he wasted it, they could probably return the goods he bought and at least get a portion of it back. As for selling his organs it's rather brutal but yet it works. I actually never thought of that, I guess it could work. But the public would be outraged for the most part so I doubt they would pass such a regulation.

08-27-2008, 09:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cephus Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 80	Changing the penal system to require work-for-restitution in property crimes and in some violent crimes (to pay for medical expenses incurred by the victims) just might have some seriously good consequences. For one, rehabilitable criminals would be able to learn job skills and work ethic while incarcerated instead of networking exclusively with other criminals. They could be used to do some state jobs thus reducing the number of government employees. This could be extended to the private sector as well. With so many jobs being able to be done via telecommuting, even maximum security prisoners should be able to help repay victims. Second, it would soon become apparent which criminals could not be expected to ever become productive citizens (those unable to forgo violence in interpersonal relationships and unable to adapt to societal norms like honesty in dealing with others, etc.) Being forced to demonstrate reform in the workplace and in the prison population over a substantial period as a condition of being paroled would be a serious incentive to seriously change one's life.