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**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

There is no need to over exaggerate. No one is suggesting a National DNA Database or microchips.

google : National DNA Database

see where rich mexicans are now getting implanted chips to protect from kidnappers (terrorists?) ?

i implore you again to visit www infowars.com

for a very different style ,you might like alan watt more , listen to his many audio shows at wwwcuttingthroughthematrix.com

**Axiom** · 08-26-2008, 12:05 AM

**Cephus** · 08-27-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

The "War on Terror" has no useful meaning when its said as a statement of general intent. Presenting it as specific plan is like saying "we're going to do discovery". Terrorist groups are desperate, with different charters and operative goals. A plan against one would be inappropriate for another.

The biggest threat to the West is from Al Qaeda which is an intangible entity, nothing to grab by the throat. Their anti-West philosophy is more definable than its structure. So what exactly are our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq going to attack?

We can find and bomb out training camps, many of which are in Pakistan. But how effective is that? Invading Afghanistan hasn't at all reduced the threat from Jihadists. Camps can be set up anywhere. There might even be some in the USA.

Can we attack nations that are willing or unwilling hosts, or nations that clearly support terrorist groups? Is that effective? It seems to me that rather than decreasing the threat it would increase it, especially the home-grown threat.

It is frightening to see how little material it takes to bring down a number of planes. Training for that can be done over the internet. Planning can be done anywhere. I can't see a military solution to it. It will only make it worse.

70 years ago Europe and Russia found itself at war with Adolf Hitler, one of the most sinister figures in modern history. When the last bullet of World War II was fired over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated.

Hitler's bloody struggle sought to forge a new world order in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face for so long before standing forcefully against it?

Today we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy with the same aspiration to violently transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes this new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening with sinister means at its disposal to land a heavy blow to civilization under the prescriptive values of the Koran. That enemy is radical Islamic fundamentalism.

**Axiom** · 08-27-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

70 years ago Europe and Russia found itself at war with Adolf Hitler, one of the most sinister figures in modern history. When the last bullet of World War II was fired over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated.

Hitler's bloody struggle sought to forge a new world order in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face for so long before standing forcefully against it?

Today we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy with the same aspiration to violently transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes this new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening with sinister means at its disposal to land a heavy blow to civilization under the prescriptive values of the Koran. That enemy is radical Islamic fundamentalism.

that is complete and utter garbage .
pure mindless brainwashed propaganda.
read my posts above
read at www infowars.com

do you know anything about the formation of Al-CIAda ?

the real terrorists are the american govt , killing a million iraqis under false pretext , and backing georgia's sneak murderous attack on sth ossetia.

this type of ignorant brainwashed bootlicking nonsense makes me absolutely livid !

**Dragon-Fly** · 08-28-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

70 years ago Europe and Russia found itself at war with Adolf Hitler, one of the most sinister figures in modern history. When the last bullet of World War II was fired over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated.

Hitler's bloody struggle sought to forge a new world order in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face for so long before standing forcefully against it?

Today we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy with the same aspiration to violently transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes this new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening with sinister means at its disposal to land a heavy blow to civilization under the prescriptive values of the Koran. That enemy is radical Islamic fundamentalism.

If a person desires to kill himself in the name of God, treating others the same way he himself wants to be treated would necessitate him killing them.

He is Okay with them killing him for God as well because his goal is to die for God. Therefore he transfers this ultimate sacrifice to everyone else. Any person who dies for God has a more honourable death than the one who does not.

But most of the extremists seem to be okay with being killed by others (the extremists love martyrdom) while fighting for God. This is what I think of when I think about radical islam.

**Just2Good** · 08-28-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

that is complete and utter garbage .
pure mindless brainwashed propaganda.

How? Isn't he just reciting basic history?

Best Regards,

AO

ps- Fine, I will listen to infowars again to see if anything interesting is being discussed there
_______________

**Axiom** · 09-02-2008, 08:58 PM

Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. .

**Cephus** · 09-03-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. .

I find it amusing that the media is condemned to be left wing biased when I've met so few people with a good understanding of left wing political philosophy. They don't know what they are talking about!

**Axiom** · 09-03-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

I find it amusing that the media is condemned to be left wing biased when I've met so few people with a good understanding of left wing political philosophy. They don't know what they are talking about!

i don't know what you're talking about !

**Cephus** · 09-03-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. .

What irony coming from someone whom I think might really be the sheer definition of a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective, unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheep.

The only thing more profound than believing this nonsensical rubbish are those who do believe suggesting that it is everyone else who is mind controlled.

But you go right ahead and live in your alternate universe where up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right, winning is losing and losing is winning.

**Iconoclast** · 09-03-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

What irony coming from someone whom I think might really be the sheer definition of a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective, unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheep.

LOL. Cephus, the Ax is our resident conspiracy theorist and nonetheless, a good bloke.

In his defence, however, there is much to be said about how insidious giant corporate owed media has become. Far from our government being evil, it is the banks and the media who have become true evil empires.

**Axiom** · 09-03-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cephus

What irony coming from someone whom I think might really be the sheer definition of a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective, unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheep.

The only thing more profound than believing this nonsensical rubbish are those who do believe suggesting that it is everyone else who is mind controlled.

But you go right ahead and live in your alternate universe where up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right, winning is losing and losing is winning.

Perhaps try watching the film first , before coming on with the usual ad hominem hack attack .

**Dragon-Fly** · 09-03-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. .

Since this disaster I have seen so many various conspiracy claims and stories I could not recall them all if I tried. Does this mean none of them have any merit? I do not believe so, but I also do not believe any one of them to be completely truthfull or accurate either.

There seems to be one serious issue is that most people can not accept the idea of anyone in government being able to do such a thing, and the only ones who seem to warm up to these ideas easily are those who have similar perspectives on other subjects and are pinned down with various conspiracy beliefs. This makes this a subject one which is very difficult to discuss.

One thing I know for sure that is true is the part discussed in the opening part of this video about losing several rights or freedoms, and we have not seen the end of this trend unless we all stand up and be strong in taking some responsibility for the fight against terror at home, and not accept any scaling back of our freedoms in the disguise of national safety or the war on terror tag.

I have seen this subject discussed before and the one thing everyone has seemed to accept is that the only way to understand this all is not to watch a video or read an article but rather to follow the money.

It seems obvious that if you look to those who would gain the most financially and are able to trace the money trail you would then find those truly responsible. Of course this would not pin point who knew what, but it would provide plenty of information nevertheless.

Most people want to turn away from 9/11 just like some horrific accident, but sadly no matter what our belief on this matter is, some are waiting for closure and the truth of knowing what really happened. A point that seems to be missed often is what would happen or what would you propose happen if all of this seen in the video was completely true?

**Just2Good** · 09-04-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dragon-Fly

Since this disaster I have seen so many various conspiracy claims and stories I could not recall them all if I tried. Does this mean none of them have any merit? I do not believe so, but I also do not believe any one of them to be completely truthfull or accurate either.

You can't have your cake and eat it too mate. Its either a big government cover up or it was the work of demented religious extremists. Common sense suggests the latter.

Best Regards,

AO

**Cephus** · 09-04-2008, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Perhaps try watching the film first , before coming on with the usual ad hominem hack attack .

I've got a crazy idea Axiom, why don't you educate yourself regarding all of the debunking there is out there about this particular so called "debunking" of 9/11 conspiracy theories?

You were able to find this trashy video, so one assumes you possess the same ability to avail yourself of the reams of material that argue against this insipid and now thoroughly debunked hackery.

Maybe along the way you'll accumulate enough information to understand how utterly stupid it looks spouting this idiocy and dragging it into the discussion.

I mean exactly what is your major malfunction?

08-25-2008, 07:29 PM	#31 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One There is no need to over exaggerate. No one is suggesting a National DNA Database or microchips. google : National DNA Database see where rich mexicans are now getting implanted chips to protect from kidnappers (terrorists?) ? i implore you again to visit www infowars.com for a very different style ,you might like alan watt more , listen to his many audio shows at wwwcuttingthroughthematrix.com Last edited by Axiom : 08-25-2008 at 07:58 PM

08-26-2008, 12:05 AM	#32 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	The "War On Terror" Is A Fraud

08-27-2008, 09:17 PM	#33 (permalink)
Cephus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Caprica Posts: 102	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures The "War on Terror" has no useful meaning when its said as a statement of general intent. Presenting it as specific plan is like saying "we're going to do discovery". Terrorist groups are desperate, with different charters and operative goals. A plan against one would be inappropriate for another. The biggest threat to the West is from Al Qaeda which is an intangible entity, nothing to grab by the throat. Their anti-West philosophy is more definable than its structure. So what exactly are our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq going to attack? We can find and bomb out training camps, many of which are in Pakistan. But how effective is that? Invading Afghanistan hasn't at all reduced the threat from Jihadists. Camps can be set up anywhere. There might even be some in the USA. Can we attack nations that are willing or unwilling hosts, or nations that clearly support terrorist groups? Is that effective? It seems to me that rather than decreasing the threat it would increase it, especially the home-grown threat. It is frightening to see how little material it takes to bring down a number of planes. Training for that can be done over the internet. Planning can be done anywhere. I can't see a military solution to it. It will only make it worse. 70 years ago Europe and Russia found itself at war with Adolf Hitler, one of the most sinister figures in modern history. When the last bullet of World War II was fired over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated. Hitler's bloody struggle sought to forge a new world order in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face for so long before standing forcefully against it? Today we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy with the same aspiration to violently transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes this new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening with sinister means at its disposal to land a heavy blow to civilization under the prescriptive values of the Koran. That enemy is radical Islamic fundamentalism.

08-27-2008, 09:31 PM	#34 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Cephus - Try Reading Or Research , Stop Listening To Faux News Originally Posted by Cephus 70 years ago Europe and Russia found itself at war with Adolf Hitler, one of the most sinister figures in modern history. When the last bullet of World War II was fired over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated. Hitler's bloody struggle sought to forge a new world order in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face for so long before standing forcefully against it? Today we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy with the same aspiration to violently transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes this new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening with sinister means at its disposal to land a heavy blow to civilization under the prescriptive values of the Koran. That enemy is radical Islamic fundamentalism. that is complete and utter garbage . pure mindless brainwashed propaganda. read my posts above read at www infowars.com do you know anything about the formation of Al-CIAda ? the real terrorists are the american govt , killing a million iraqis under false pretext , and backing georgia's sneak murderous attack on sth ossetia. this type of ignorant brainwashed bootlicking nonsense makes me absolutely livid !

08-28-2008, 03:30 PM	#35 (permalink)
Dragon-Fly Red Baron Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	Originally Posted by Cephus 70 years ago Europe and Russia found itself at war with Adolf Hitler, one of the most sinister figures in modern history. When the last bullet of World War II was fired over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated. Hitler's bloody struggle sought to forge a new world order in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face for so long before standing forcefully against it? Today we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy with the same aspiration to violently transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes this new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening with sinister means at its disposal to land a heavy blow to civilization under the prescriptive values of the Koran. That enemy is radical Islamic fundamentalism. If a person desires to kill himself in the name of God, treating others the same way he himself wants to be treated would necessitate him killing them. He is Okay with them killing him for God as well because his goal is to die for God. Therefore he transfers this ultimate sacrifice to everyone else. Any person who dies for God has a more honourable death than the one who does not. But most of the extremists seem to be okay with being killed by others (the extremists love martyrdom) while fighting for God. This is what I think of when I think about radical islam.

08-28-2008, 05:13 PM	#36 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Reciting History Originally Posted by Axiom that is complete and utter garbage . pure mindless brainwashed propaganda. How? Isn't he just reciting basic history? Best Regards, AO ps- Fine, I will listen to infowars again to see if anything interesting is being discussed there _______________ __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

09-02-2008, 08:58 PM	#37 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Fabled Enemies Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. .

09-03-2008, 12:17 PM	#38 (permalink)
Cephus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Caprica Posts: 102	Originally Posted by Axiom Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. . I find it amusing that the media is condemned to be left wing biased when I've met so few people with a good understanding of left wing political philosophy. They don't know what they are talking about!

09-03-2008, 02:07 PM	#39 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Cephus I find it amusing that the media is condemned to be left wing biased when I've met so few people with a good understanding of left wing political philosophy. They don't know what they are talking about! i don't know what you're talking about !

09-03-2008, 04:31 PM	#40 (permalink)
Cephus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Caprica Posts: 102	Originally Posted by Axiom Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. . What irony coming from someone whom I think might really be the sheer definition of a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective, unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheep. The only thing more profound than believing this nonsensical rubbish are those who do believe suggesting that it is everyone else who is mind controlled. But you go right ahead and live in your alternate universe where up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right, winning is losing and losing is winning.

09-03-2008, 06:04 PM	#41 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Cephus What irony coming from someone whom I think might really be the sheer definition of a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective, unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheep. LOL. Cephus, the Ax is our resident conspiracy theorist and nonetheless, a good bloke. In his defence, however, there is much to be said about how insidious giant corporate owed media has become. Far from our government being evil, it is the banks and the media who have become true evil empires. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

09-03-2008, 06:30 PM	#42 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Cephus What irony coming from someone whom I think might really be the sheer definition of a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective, unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheep. The only thing more profound than believing this nonsensical rubbish are those who do believe suggesting that it is everyone else who is mind controlled. But you go right ahead and live in your alternate universe where up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right, winning is losing and losing is winning. Perhaps try watching the film first , before coming on with the usual ad hominem hack attack .

09-03-2008, 07:33 PM	#43 (permalink)
Dragon-Fly Red Baron Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	Originally Posted by Axiom Anyone who does not at least question the events of 9/11 after watching this docu-video , is i'm afraid to say , by sheer definition , a mind controlled uncritically thinking unobjective , unclear thinking brainwashed zombie sheeple. . Since this disaster I have seen so many various conspiracy claims and stories I could not recall them all if I tried. Does this mean none of them have any merit? I do not believe so, but I also do not believe any one of them to be completely truthfull or accurate either. There seems to be one serious issue is that most people can not accept the idea of anyone in government being able to do such a thing, and the only ones who seem to warm up to these ideas easily are those who have similar perspectives on other subjects and are pinned down with various conspiracy beliefs. This makes this a subject one which is very difficult to discuss. One thing I know for sure that is true is the part discussed in the opening part of this video about losing several rights or freedoms, and we have not seen the end of this trend unless we all stand up and be strong in taking some responsibility for the fight against terror at home, and not accept any scaling back of our freedoms in the disguise of national safety or the war on terror tag. I have seen this subject discussed before and the one thing everyone has seemed to accept is that the only way to understand this all is not to watch a video or read an article but rather to follow the money. It seems obvious that if you look to those who would gain the most financially and are able to trace the money trail you would then find those truly responsible. Of course this would not pin point who knew what, but it would provide plenty of information nevertheless. Most people want to turn away from 9/11 just like some horrific accident, but sadly no matter what our belief on this matter is, some are waiting for closure and the truth of knowing what really happened. A point that seems to be missed often is what would happen or what would you propose happen if all of this seen in the video was completely true?

09-04-2008, 01:04 PM	#44 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Dragon-Fly Since this disaster I have seen so many various conspiracy claims and stories I could not recall them all if I tried. Does this mean none of them have any merit? I do not believe so, but I also do not believe any one of them to be completely truthfull or accurate either. You can't have your cake and eat it too mate. Its either a big government cover up or it was the work of demented religious extremists. Common sense suggests the latter. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

09-04-2008, 03:46 PM	#45 (permalink)
Cephus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Caprica Posts: 102	Originally Posted by Axiom Perhaps try watching the film first , before coming on with the usual ad hominem hack attack . I've got a crazy idea Axiom, why don't you educate yourself regarding all of the debunking there is out there about this particular so called "debunking" of 9/11 conspiracy theories? You were able to find this trashy video, so one assumes you possess the same ability to avail yourself of the reams of material that argue against this insipid and now thoroughly debunked hackery. Maybe along the way you'll accumulate enough information to understand how utterly stupid it looks spouting this idiocy and dragging it into the discussion. I mean exactly what is your major malfunction?

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