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**Iconoclast** · 08-24-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

just look at the way russia has been conveyed by western media after the usa supported georgia murderous sneak attack on sth ossetia for example !

Russia was and is protecting its own ethnic minorities against a Gorgian lead genocide. GO YOU RUSKIS

**Axiom** · 08-24-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Russia was and is protecting its own ethnic minorities against a Gorgian lead genocide. GO YOU RUSKIS

quite right ,
the breath taking hypocrisy of bush and rice is as staggering as the ludicrous propaganda by the media.

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

so you accept the so called official account of 9/11 ?

I remember watching it unfold on television, when there was no official account and people were dead. I think that speaks for itself. I agree, someone was responsible and it was NOT George Bush.

He may have his faults, but his only culpability in 9/11 was indifference to the radicals for too long, a charge most Americans were guilty of. I am glad to see they are not making that mistake again.

have you visited www infowars.com ?

Yes, although not recently.

have you listened to the alex jones show ?

Yes, once, but his style put me off. In any event I didn't completely agree with what he had to say.

i would need another another library text book type post to only scratch the surface of the mountains of evidence that show usa is being run by evil criminals aided by their propaganda brainwashing whore media.

LOL

Summarise your text book, this could be interesting.

Best Regards,

AO

**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I remember watching it unfold on television, when there was no official account and people were dead. I think that speaks for itself.

it only speaks to the fact that 2 planes hit 2 buildings and 3 buildings collapsed.

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I agree, someone was responsible and it was NOT George Bush.

of course not , he is just a figure head puppet .
assuming one believes the official account,
the hijackers were mostly saudi , why not attack saudi arabia ?
is it because bin laden once resided in afghanistan , that there was justification for attacking them ?
it wouldn't have anything to do with oil pipelines , poppy industry ( which btw doubled its production after the americans arrived ! ) or geo-political control would it ?

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

He may have his faults, but his only culpability in 9/11 was indifference to the radicals for too long, a charge most Americans were guilty of. I am glad to see they are not making that mistake again.

i thought it was clinton that was supposed to be to blame for this indifference ?
AO- this war on terror is a complete and utter fraud , a front for the real agenda which is clamp down control of the masses .
it is as much a fraud as man made global warming and the "war on drugs".

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Yes, although not recently.

thats a shame .
please try to pick one story that interests you , and do your own follow up investigations,corroborative research.
see if you can show the degree of accurate content contained therein.

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Yes, once, but his style put me off. In any event I didn't completely agree with what he had to say.

yes his style is not ideal , i agree . but he has great guests including ron paul . try to concentrate on the content and again ,do your own follow up research.

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

LOL

Summarise your text book, this could be interesting.

some points:-
- the latest NIST report on wtc7 has just been released (why did it take 7 yrs?), it is laughably full of holes
- you do realise the anthrax attacks straight after 9/11 were not as was said at the time , the work of arab terrorists , but originated from usa labs ! (along with convenient suicide of suspect , now known to be innocent.
- why did pakistan's intelligence agency ISI (closely allied to CIA and MI5 )wire 100k to one of the hijackers just prior to 9/11 ?
-why was no forensics done on the wtc rubble ?
-why did cheney angrily repeat his stand down orders on 9/11 ?
-why were intercept planes sent out over the atlantic in the opposite direction of the hijacked planes ?
-how could cave dwelling operated boxcutters defeat trillion dollar defense industry ?
-why no black boxes when passport of hijacker was magically discovered intact in the street ?
-how was it so quickly reported in the media on the day of 9/11 who the perpetrators were , and in such detail ?
-why are you so happy to believe a govt's account of events , knowing the history of false flag attacks , including the plan in 1962 of operation northwoods ( which was to shoot down usa airliner and blame on the cubans )
- who stood to gain the most after 9/11 ?

look, these are just off the top of my head , there is no excuse not to hear all sides of this story , in this age of the internet .
we no longer have to swallow whole, govt propaganda and lies.

one does not need to jump on the "9/11 was an inside job" band wagon to see that the official story is riddled with inconsistency and holes.

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

the hijackers were mostly saudi , why not attack saudi arabia ?
is it because bin laden once resided in afghanistan , that there was justification for attacking them ?

No, it is because Bin Laden masterminded the whole attack, . AND . because he was known to be residing in Afghanistan at that time.

You are forgetting the Bush administration asked the Taliban leaders who governed Afghantistan to turn him over or otherwise be invaded, and they failed to turn him over. That means they were harbouring the head terrorist. I have little doubt that the Saudi government would have handed him over if he had been living in SA.

Best Regards,

AO

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

AO- this war on terror is a complete and utter fraud , a front for the real agenda which is clamp down control of the masses .
it is as much a fraud as man made global warming and the "war on drugs".

Control the Masses? First question, who is being controlled?

The war on terror has saved lives everytime trouble making wannabe terrorists have been caught. You should be thankful our government is waging this war.

Originally Posted by Axiom

why was no forensics done on the wtc rubble ?

There was. I saw a documentary where an expert took the viewers through the rubble and explained in detail why the fire proofing of the metal support beams failed, which led to the collapse of the first tower.

Best Regards,

AO

**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

No, it is because Bin Laden masterminded the whole attack, . AND . because he was known to be residing in Afghanistan at that time.

You are forgetting the Bush administration asked the Taliban leaders who governed Afghantistan to turn him over or otherwise be invaded, and they failed to turn him over. That means they were harbouring the head terrorist. I have little doubt that the Saudi government would have handed him over if he had been living in SA.

Best Regards,

AO

and what makes you so sure bin laden masterminded it ?
because of his well know FAKED videos ?
that CNN told on on the day of 9/11?
that his family was quietly ushered out of the country the day after ???
( youd think they might be worth holding for interview !)

why did bush in sept 01 say we will never stop in our search for him , then let him go in tora bora , and in march 02 say it was not a concern whether they caught him or not ! ???

**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Control the Masses? First question, who is being controlled?

everyone but the elite

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

The war on terror has saved lives everytime trouble making wannabe terrorists have been caught. You should be thankful our government is waging this war.

oh yes those terrible shampoo bombers , a loon with an exploding shoe and all those goat herders caught on a bounty ! lol

where are all these terrorist convictions ?
where are all these terrorists?
pakistan? , saudi ?

mi5 just released a report saying terrorists can be anyone ! thats you and me !
and thats the idea , the open ended term "terrorist" can be used to detain anyone now without trial on the mere say so suspicion of our trusted govt !

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

There was. I saw a documentary where an expert took the viewers through the rubble and explained in detail why the fire proofing of the metal support beams failed, which led to the collapse of the first tower.

Best Regards,

AO

sorry a documentary is not a forensic investigation ( not that would have revealed anything anyway, just like NIST it would be subverted.

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

and what makes you so sure bin laden masterminded it ?

The fact he admitted it and gloated about it in later interviews. Also, he said I didn't think the building would collapse, only the floors above where the plane struck. Bin Laden has an engineering background.

Best Regards,

AO

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

and thats the idea , the open ended erm "terrorist" can be used to detain anyone now without trial on the mere say so suspicion of our trusted govt !

The motivation for the government not to abuse their terrorist detention powers is Dr Haneef. They end up with egg all over their face (ie. they look incompetent) and Haneef walks and signs a tell all deal for big money with channel 9.

Best Regards,

AO

**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

The fact he admitted it and gloated about it in later interviews. Also, he said I didn't think the building would collapse, only the floors above where the plane struck. Bin Laden has an engineering background.

Best Regards,

AO

you do realise bin laden was a cia operative (tim osman) used to attack russia in the afghan-ussr conflict ?
and tell me why was his family secreted out of the country the day after ?

**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

The motivation for the government not to abuse their terrorist detention powers is Dr Haneef. They end up with egg all over their face (ie. they look incompetent) and Haneef walks and signs a tell all deal for big money with channel 9.

Best Regards,

AO

thats precisely the point , there simply is a dearth of real terrorists threatening the west in real terms , so they scrape the bottom of the barrel , looking for anyone air traveling with shampoo etc.
you see that most of these arrests make front page news , and when they're released with no evidence , it makes a tiny paragraph hidden somewhere in the main body of the paper !

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

thats precisely the point , there simply is a dearth of real terrorists threatening the west in real terms , so they scrape the bottom of the barrel , looking for anyone air traveling with shampoo etc.
you see that most of these arrests make front page news , and when they're released with no evidence , it makes a tiny paragraph hidden somewhere in the main body of the paper !

I agree with a lot of what you say in this post Axiom. However, while within Australia there may not be much of a terrorist threat, various other countries do contain terrorists who would readily dispose of me or you if they are given a chance.

Best Regards,

AO

**Axiom** · 08-25-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I agree with a lot of what you say in this post Axiom. However, while within Australia there may not be much of a terrorist threat, various other countries do contain terrorists who would readily dispose of me or you if they are given a chance.

Best Regards,

AO

oh well, we better have a biometric id card , national dna database and even microchips ,.....i mean its all about protecting us from the evil terrorists !

"tyranny comes always in guise of protector" plato

**Just2Good** · 08-25-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

oh well, we better have a biometric id card , national dna database and even microchips ,.....i mean its all about protecting us from the evil terrorists !

"tyranny comes always in guise of protector" plato

There is no need to over exaggerate. No one is suggesting a National DNA Database or microchips.

Best Regards,

AO

ps- Nice quote!

08-24-2008, 12:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom just look at the way russia has been conveyed by western media after the usa supported georgia murderous sneak attack on sth ossetia for example ! Russia was and is protecting its own ethnic minorities against a Gorgian lead genocide. GO YOU RUSKIS __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-24-2008, 03:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Russia was and is protecting its own ethnic minorities against a Gorgian lead genocide. GO YOU RUSKIS quite right , the breath taking hypocrisy of bush and rice is as staggering as the ludicrous propaganda by the media.

08-25-2008, 02:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	The Truth and the Myths Originally Posted by Axiom so you accept the so called official account of 9/11 ? I remember watching it unfold on television, when there was no official account and people were dead. I think that speaks for itself. I agree, someone was responsible and it was NOT George Bush. He may have his faults, but his only culpability in 9/11 was indifference to the radicals for too long, a charge most Americans were guilty of. I am glad to see they are not making that mistake again. have you visited www infowars.com ? Yes, although not recently. have you listened to the alex jones show ? Yes, once, but his style put me off. In any event I didn't completely agree with what he had to say. i would need another another library text book type post to only scratch the surface of the mountains of evidence that show usa is being run by evil criminals aided by their propaganda brainwashing whore media. LOL Summarise your text book, this could be interesting. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-25-2008, 04:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Don't Myth The Truth ! Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I remember watching it unfold on television, when there was no official account and people were dead. I think that speaks for itself. it only speaks to the fact that 2 planes hit 2 buildings and 3 buildings collapsed. Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I agree, someone was responsible and it was NOT George Bush. of course not , he is just a figure head puppet . assuming one believes the official account, the hijackers were mostly saudi , why not attack saudi arabia ? is it because bin laden once resided in afghanistan , that there was justification for attacking them ? it wouldn't have anything to do with oil pipelines , poppy industry ( which btw doubled its production after the americans arrived ! ) or geo-political control would it ? Originally Posted by Arrogant-One He may have his faults, but his only culpability in 9/11 was indifference to the radicals for too long, a charge most Americans were guilty of. I am glad to see they are not making that mistake again. i thought it was clinton that was supposed to be to blame for this indifference ? AO- this war on terror is a complete and utter fraud , a front for the real agenda which is clamp down control of the masses . it is as much a fraud as man made global warming and the "war on drugs". Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Yes, although not recently. thats a shame . please try to pick one story that interests you , and do your own follow up investigations,corroborative research. see if you can show the degree of accurate content contained therein. Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Yes, once, but his style put me off. In any event I didn't completely agree with what he had to say. yes his style is not ideal , i agree . but he has great guests including ron paul . try to concentrate on the content and again ,do your own follow up research. Originally Posted by Arrogant-One LOL Summarise your text book, this could be interesting. some points:- - the latest NIST report on wtc7 has just been released (why did it take 7 yrs?), it is laughably full of holes - you do realise the anthrax attacks straight after 9/11 were not as was said at the time , the work of arab terrorists , but originated from usa labs ! (along with convenient suicide of suspect , now known to be innocent. - why did pakistan's intelligence agency ISI (closely allied to CIA and MI5 )wire 100k to one of the hijackers just prior to 9/11 ? -why was no forensics done on the wtc rubble ? -why did cheney angrily repeat his stand down orders on 9/11 ? -why were intercept planes sent out over the atlantic in the opposite direction of the hijacked planes ? -how could cave dwelling operated boxcutters defeat trillion dollar defense industry ? -why no black boxes when passport of hijacker was magically discovered intact in the street ? -how was it so quickly reported in the media on the day of 9/11 who the perpetrators were , and in such detail ? -why are you so happy to believe a govt's account of events , knowing the history of false flag attacks , including the plan in 1962 of operation northwoods ( which was to shoot down usa airliner and blame on the cubans ) - who stood to gain the most after 9/11 ? look, these are just off the top of my head , there is no excuse not to hear all sides of this story , in this age of the internet . we no longer have to swallow whole, govt propaganda and lies. one does not need to jump on the "9/11 was an inside job" band wagon to see that the official story is riddled with inconsistency and holes.

08-25-2008, 06:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bin Laden Lived in Afghanistan Originally Posted by Axiom the hijackers were mostly saudi , why not attack saudi arabia ? is it because bin laden once resided in afghanistan , that there was justification for attacking them ? No, it is because Bin Laden masterminded the whole attack, . AND . because he was known to be residing in Afghanistan at that time. You are forgetting the Bush administration asked the Taliban leaders who governed Afghantistan to turn him over or otherwise be invaded, and they failed to turn him over. That means they were harbouring the head terrorist. I have little doubt that the Saudi government would have handed him over if he had been living in SA. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-25-2008, 06:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Who Are The Masses Originally Posted by Axiom AO- this war on terror is a complete and utter fraud , a front for the real agenda which is clamp down control of the masses . it is as much a fraud as man made global warming and the "war on drugs". Control the Masses? First question, who is being controlled? The war on terror has saved lives everytime trouble making wannabe terrorists have been caught. You should be thankful our government is waging this war. Originally Posted by Axiom why was no forensics done on the wtc rubble ? There was. I saw a documentary where an expert took the viewers through the rubble and explained in detail why the fire proofing of the metal support beams failed, which led to the collapse of the first tower. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-25-2008, 06:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One No, it is because Bin Laden masterminded the whole attack, . AND . because he was known to be residing in Afghanistan at that time. You are forgetting the Bush administration asked the Taliban leaders who governed Afghantistan to turn him over or otherwise be invaded, and they failed to turn him over. That means they were harbouring the head terrorist. I have little doubt that the Saudi government would have handed him over if he had been living in SA. Best Regards, AO and what makes you so sure bin laden masterminded it ? because of his well know FAKED videos ? that CNN told on on the day of 9/11? that his family was quietly ushered out of the country the day after ??? ( youd think they might be worth holding for interview !) why did bush in sept 01 say we will never stop in our search for him , then let him go in tora bora , and in march 02 say it was not a concern whether they caught him or not ! ???

08-25-2008, 06:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Control the Masses? First question, who is being controlled? everyone but the elite Originally Posted by Arrogant-One The war on terror has saved lives everytime trouble making wannabe terrorists have been caught. You should be thankful our government is waging this war. oh yes those terrible shampoo bombers , a loon with an exploding shoe and all those goat herders caught on a bounty ! lol where are all these terrorist convictions ? where are all these terrorists? pakistan? , saudi ? mi5 just released a report saying terrorists can be anyone ! thats you and me ! and thats the idea , the open ended term "terrorist" can be used to detain anyone now without trial on the mere say so suspicion of our trusted govt ! Originally Posted by Arrogant-One There was. I saw a documentary where an expert took the viewers through the rubble and explained in detail why the fire proofing of the metal support beams failed, which led to the collapse of the first tower. Best Regards, AO sorry a documentary is not a forensic investigation ( not that would have revealed anything anyway, just like NIST it would be subverted.

08-25-2008, 06:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bin Laden Admitted It! Originally Posted by Axiom and what makes you so sure bin laden masterminded it ? The fact he admitted it and gloated about it in later interviews. Also, he said I didn't think the building would collapse, only the floors above where the plane struck. Bin Laden has an engineering background. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-25-2008, 06:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Dr Haneef - Govt More Cautious Now Originally Posted by Axiom and thats the idea , the open ended erm "terrorist" can be used to detain anyone now without trial on the mere say so suspicion of our trusted govt ! The motivation for the government not to abuse their terrorist detention powers is Dr Haneef. They end up with egg all over their face (ie. they look incompetent) and Haneef walks and signs a tell all deal for big money with channel 9. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-25-2008, 06:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One The fact he admitted it and gloated about it in later interviews. Also, he said I didn't think the building would collapse, only the floors above where the plane struck. Bin Laden has an engineering background. Best Regards, AO you do realise bin laden was a cia operative (tim osman) used to attack russia in the afghan-ussr conflict ? and tell me why was his family secreted out of the country the day after ?

08-25-2008, 06:53 PM	#27 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One The motivation for the government not to abuse their terrorist detention powers is Dr Haneef. They end up with egg all over their face (ie. they look incompetent) and Haneef walks and signs a tell all deal for big money with channel 9. Best Regards, AO thats precisely the point , there simply is a dearth of real terrorists threatening the west in real terms , so they scrape the bottom of the barrel , looking for anyone air traveling with shampoo etc. you see that most of these arrests make front page news , and when they're released with no evidence , it makes a tiny paragraph hidden somewhere in the main body of the paper !

08-25-2008, 06:58 PM	#28 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Terrorist Threats Abroad Originally Posted by Axiom thats precisely the point , there simply is a dearth of real terrorists threatening the west in real terms , so they scrape the bottom of the barrel , looking for anyone air traveling with shampoo etc. you see that most of these arrests make front page news , and when they're released with no evidence , it makes a tiny paragraph hidden somewhere in the main body of the paper ! I agree with a lot of what you say in this post Axiom. However, while within Australia there may not be much of a terrorist threat, various other countries do contain terrorists who would readily dispose of me or you if they are given a chance. Best Regards, AO __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

08-25-2008, 07:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I agree with a lot of what you say in this post Axiom. However, while within Australia there may not be much of a terrorist threat, various other countries do contain terrorists who would readily dispose of me or you if they are given a chance. Best Regards, AO oh well, we better have a biometric id card , national dna database and even microchips ,.....i mean its all about protecting us from the evil terrorists ! "tyranny comes always in guise of protector" plato

08-25-2008, 07:16 PM	#30 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,054 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Plato Quote Originally Posted by Axiom oh well, we better have a biometric id card , national dna database and even microchips ,.....i mean its all about protecting us from the evil terrorists ! "tyranny comes always in guise of protector" plato There is no need to over exaggerate. No one is suggesting a National DNA Database or microchips. Best Regards, AO ps- Nice quote! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

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