Australian Government To Pass Fluoride Bill - OzChess

**Axiom** · 01-31-2008, 02:12 AM

Would be interesing to drink unfluoridated water to see if it makes any difference !

Second Thoughts About Fluoride - Scientific American, January 2008 !!
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...ts-on-fluoride

**Arrogant-One** · 01-31-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Would be interesing to drink unfluoridated water to see if it makes any difference !

I already do. I distill my water, basically to make it taste better as opposed to improving my health. Brisbane water gives me nausea. Every time I taste it I want to hurl.

**Iconoclast** · 01-31-2008, 08:15 PM

That fluoride compounds have a level of toxicity is NOT news. Every think has a level at which it becomes a toxic problem. And that is moot point - at what level does the toxicity becomes a "problem."

In this case:
1. the problem, the cost is tiny.
2. fluoridation has a huge benefit.
3. A cost-benefit analysis shows the anti-fluoridation lobby are wrong to continue their quest.

**vagrantnomad** · 02-04-2008, 10:23 PM

3. A cost-benefit analysis shows the anti-fluoridation lobby are wrong to continue their quest.

that comment is asking for a fight.

but i fully agree with iconoclast !

im from geelong and when i went to melbs the water was horrible to the point
where i just would not drink it.

ill put it this way - its cheaper for the tax payer to give junkys free needles
and shoot up rooms than to help them properly ,so thats what we do.

in the same way its cheaper to give people fluoride and cut back on
tax payers money for free dental because people wont brush,floss, and use
mouth wash .

sad but true!

**Arrogant-One** · 02-05-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by vagrantnomad

ill put it this way - its cheaper for the tax payer to give junkys free needles and shoot up rooms than to help them properly ,so thats what we do.

Few politicians have had the courage to try this solution so I am not sure this is really the case. I have been to various train stations in Brisbane to witness some idiot injecting a substance into his arm in broad daylight! These addicted fools break and enter places, rob law abiding citizens, and partake in other criminal activities. This is the reality. In my view it would be much better just to give them the narcotics in a shoot up centre and thereby put drug dealers out of business and decrease the addicts need to commit crimes to fund their drug habits. In terms of strategy it would seem to be better than hoping the police can root out the problem and would at least be worth a shot.

**Axiom** · 11-30-2008, 08:24 PM

Sodium fluoride put in water supply by the nazis to pacify prisoners , but the uk govt won't tell you where they use it !
Water company refuse to give details of areas affected (From Daily Echo)

a lot of informed readers , read the comments section .

**Axiom** · 11-30-2008, 08:30 PM

http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...dation.asp?bhc

Note this pacifying release from Melbourne Water , never once referring to the real additive SODIUM FLUORIDE but only to FLUORIDE.
.......hmmm , how curious.

**Simon** · 11-30-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...dation.asp?bhc

Note this pacifying release from Melbourne Water , never once referring to the real additive SODIUM FLUORIDE but only to FLUORIDE.
.......hmmm , how curious.

This really angers me, I guess I'll have to find other bottled waters without fluoride if that still exists in the not too distant future.

**Axiom** · 11-30-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Simon Frederick

This really angers me, I guess I'll have to find other bottled waters without fluoride if that still exists in the not too distant future.

or buy a reverse osmosis filtration device , and spread the word !

**Arrogant-One** · 11-30-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

or buy a reverse osmosis filtration device , and spread the word !

I think I mentioned this before, but I drink distilled water to improve the taste. It happens to get rid of the toxins such as Fluoride and Chlorine as well. I grew up drinking fluoridated tap water and it didn't really make a difference. I still needed some fillings.

Axiom, if the politicans aren't putting the fluoride in for dental benefits, what other possible reason could they want fluoride added? Is that the correct question to ask Axiom?

Alex

**Axiom** · 11-30-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I think I mentioned this before, but I drink distilled water to improve the taste. It happens to get rid of the toxins such as Fluoride and Chlorine as well. I grew up drinking fluoridated tap water and it didn't really make a difference. I still needed some fillings.

Axiom, if the politicans aren't putting the fluoride in for dental benefits, what other possible reason could they want fluoride added? Is that the correct question to ask Axiom?

Alex

To answer a question with a couple of questions:
Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ?
Why isn't the uk govt telling ppl the locations were sodium fluoride is added ?

**Simon** · 12-01-2008, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ?

The politicians wanting to put fluoride into our water supply are not Nazi's, so the answer is that your question is completely unrelated to the discussion at hand.

**Axiom** · 12-01-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Simon Frederick

The politicians wanting to put fluoride into our water supply are not Nazi's, so the answer is that your question is completely unrelated to the discussion at hand.

Regardless of who puts the sodium fluoride in the water , or the motives for doing so ,the consequences are the same.
So i repeat my questions :

Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ?
Why isn't the uk govt telling ppl the locations were sodium fluoride is added ?

**Arrogant-One** · 12-01-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ?

Act of war during WWII, a.k.a warfare. But I agree with Simon, I don't see how it is related.

**Axiom** · 12-01-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

Act of war during WWII, a.k.a warfare. But I agree with Simon, I don't see how it is related.

It's related because the CONSEQUENCES are the same !

01-31-2008, 02:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Australian Government To Pass Fluoride Bill Would be interesing to drink unfluoridated water to see if it makes any difference ! Second Thoughts About Fluoride - Scientific American, January 2008 !! http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...ts-on-fluoride Last edited by Axiom : 01-31-2008 at 02:26 AM

01-31-2008, 08:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,682 ICC Handle: Just2Good FICS Handle: Advantage	Brisbane Water Needs Improvement! Originally Posted by Axiom Would be interesing to drink unfluoridated water to see if it makes any difference ! I already do. I distill my water, basically to make it taste better as opposed to improving my health. Brisbane water gives me nausea. Every time I taste it I want to hurl. __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

01-31-2008, 08:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	That fluoride compounds have a level of toxicity is NOT news. Every think has a level at which it becomes a toxic problem. And that is moot point - at what level does the toxicity becomes a "problem." In this case: 1. the problem, the cost is tiny. 2. fluoridation has a huge benefit. 3. A cost-benefit analysis shows the anti-fluoridation lobby are wrong to continue their quest. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

02-05-2008, 10:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,682 ICC Handle: Just2Good FICS Handle: Advantage	Drug Scourage Originally Posted by vagrantnomad ill put it this way - its cheaper for the tax payer to give junkys free needles and shoot up rooms than to help them properly ,so thats what we do. Few politicians have had the courage to try this solution so I am not sure this is really the case. I have been to various train stations in Brisbane to witness some idiot injecting a substance into his arm in broad daylight! These addicted fools break and enter places, rob law abiding citizens, and partake in other criminal activities. This is the reality. In my view it would be much better just to give them the narcotics in a shoot up centre and thereby put drug dealers out of business and decrease the addicts need to commit crimes to fund their drug habits. In terms of strategy it would seem to be better than hoping the police can root out the problem and would at least be worth a shot. __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

11-30-2008, 08:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Simon Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 50	Originally Posted by Axiom http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...dation.asp?bhc Note this pacifying release from Melbourne Water , never once referring to the real additive SODIUM FLUORIDE but only to FLUORIDE. .......hmmm , how curious. This really angers me, I guess I'll have to find other bottled waters without fluoride if that still exists in the not too distant future.

02-04-2008, 10:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
vagrantnomad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: qld at the moment Posts: 270	3. A cost-benefit analysis shows the anti-fluoridation lobby are wrong to continue their quest. that comment is asking for a fight. but i fully agree with iconoclast ! im from geelong and when i went to melbs the water was horrible to the point where i just would not drink it. ill put it this way - its cheaper for the tax payer to give junkys free needles and shoot up rooms than to help them properly ,so thats what we do. in the same way its cheaper to give people fluoride and cut back on tax payers money for free dental because people wont brush,floss, and use mouth wash . sad but true!

11-30-2008, 08:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Sodium fluoride put in water supply by the nazis to pacify prisoners , but the uk govt won't tell you where they use it ! Water company refuse to give details of areas affected (From Daily Echo) a lot of informed readers , read the comments section .

11-30-2008, 08:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...dation.asp?bhc Note this pacifying release from Melbourne Water , never once referring to the real additive SODIUM FLUORIDE but only to FLUORIDE. .......hmmm , how curious.

11-30-2008, 10:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Originally Posted by Simon Frederick This really angers me, I guess I'll have to find other bottled waters without fluoride if that still exists in the not too distant future. or buy a reverse osmosis filtration device , and spread the word !

11-30-2008, 10:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,682 ICC Handle: Just2Good FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom or buy a reverse osmosis filtration device , and spread the word ! I think I mentioned this before, but I drink distilled water to improve the taste. It happens to get rid of the toxins such as Fluoride and Chlorine as well. I grew up drinking fluoridated tap water and it didn't really make a difference. I still needed some fillings. Axiom, if the politicans aren't putting the fluoride in for dental benefits, what other possible reason could they want fluoride added? Is that the correct question to ask Axiom? Alex __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

11-30-2008, 11:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I think I mentioned this before, but I drink distilled water to improve the taste. It happens to get rid of the toxins such as Fluoride and Chlorine as well. I grew up drinking fluoridated tap water and it didn't really make a difference. I still needed some fillings. Axiom, if the politicans aren't putting the fluoride in for dental benefits, what other possible reason could they want fluoride added? Is that the correct question to ask Axiom? Alex To answer a question with a couple of questions: Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ? Why isn't the uk govt telling ppl the locations were sodium fluoride is added ?

12-01-2008, 01:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
Simon Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 50	Originally Posted by Axiom Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ? The politicians wanting to put fluoride into our water supply are not Nazi's, so the answer is that your question is completely unrelated to the discussion at hand.

12-01-2008, 02:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Originally Posted by Simon Frederick The politicians wanting to put fluoride into our water supply are not Nazi's, so the answer is that your question is completely unrelated to the discussion at hand. Regardless of who puts the sodium fluoride in the water , or the motives for doing so ,the consequences are the same. So i repeat my questions : Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ? Why isn't the uk govt telling ppl the locations were sodium fluoride is added ?

12-01-2008, 05:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
Arrogant-One Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,682 ICC Handle: Just2Good FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom Why did the nazis put it in the water supply of prisoners ? Act of war during WWII, a.k.a warfare. But I agree with Simon, I don't see how it is related. __________________ . ... for it is always the person not in the predicament who knows what ought to have been done in it, and would unquestionably have done it too . . . ~ Charles Dickens novel ~

12-01-2008, 08:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
Axiom Siberian Chess Tiger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 323	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One Act of war during WWII, a.k.a warfare. But I agree with Simon, I don't see how it is related. It's related because the CONSEQUENCES are the same !

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