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Tony Abbott calls for welfare crackdown | News.com.au < Click Here
But what if Garvin doesn't want to be pushed back into a job?

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Arcimboldo

The link does not work for me.
Is there any mention of a cut-back in middle-class welfare for those over say $100,000?
Any mention of a scale-back in negative gearing rort?
Any mention of a cap on CEO salaries?
Any mention of a fairer share for us on the resource boom windfall?
Probably not.
Just forget I asked.
Tony already has.

Firegoat7

Yeah good points.
Am posting before the usual kick the poor people crowd get in.
There was a time when government provided real work for the disadvantaged.
Now all it does is POLICE the poor.
Wasting millions on middle income management systems
Rorting the welfare system through privatised compulsory job providers.

How about a novel approach.
Why not just dump the organised policing of the poor and instead....

provide some paid employment!

OMG I said it and I feel better.

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Post of the month. Succinct, moral, true.

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Just2Good

Originally Posted by Arcimboldo

The link does not work for me.

I just clicked it and it works for me. Go to news dot com dot au and then click the Money tab, and then money matters. Type Abbott into the search window and the 'Abbott's tough love welfare push' article will come up.

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Yeah good points.
Am posting before the usual kick the poor people crowd get in.
There was a time when government provided real work for the disadvantaged.
Now all it does is POLICE the poor.
Wasting millions on middle income management systems
Rorting the welfare system through privatised compulsory job providers.

How about a novel approach.
Why not just dump the organised policing of the poor and instead....

provide some paid employment!

OMG I said it and I feel better.

In many cases people are too happy to collect the dole and not look for work, and have no heart to find employment - full or part time. It becomes a cycle. The current system is pretty good at busting up that cycle though, thanks to privatised compulsory job providers.

In any event, the central question of this thread is:

An Abbott government also would push more people with lower-level disabilities into jobs

But what if Garvin doesn't want to be pushed back into a job?

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Igor Goldenberg

Get one

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Firegoat7

Goldenberg, your anti human views are extreme and need toning down. Furthermore, in my opinion, I always ask myself, does Igor have a realistic viewpoint about Liberal capitalism?

I say this because anyone with the most basic of knowledge ,who has been brought up within this culture, knows that their will ALWAYS be at least 5% of a countries population unemployed. Therefore blaming individuals for their plight is misguided. Not only is it a misguided viewpoint, but its also a pointless and dishonest viewpoint. Your viewpoint is misguided because within liberal capitalism, unemployment is systemic, the historical trend is unavoidable. It is pointless to blame individuals for being unemployed under a system that requires unemployment to function correctly. It is dishonest to blame individuals, when unemployment exists because liberal democratic systems of government need it to function.

The reality is there is ALWAYS unemployment under Capitalist liberal democracy. Instead of blaming individuals for systemic failure the correct approach ought to be one of solving serious problems. The worst paying jobs in our societies offer work that is no solution to unemployment. This must be fact, because unemployment remains a historical trend in the Western world.
Therefore low skilled,poorly paid jobs at the bottom end of a capitalist market will most certainly not solve unemployment.

The only real way to address these issues is to provide more opportunities for people to create careers within industries that are economically sustainable. Mcjobs and similar work may not be sustainable for people working at the bottom of the Capitalist system. Furthermore, it is highly contentious as to whether this sort of industry is sustainable or even desirable for the population in the long term.

In my opinion, government should eradicate the current system of policing the poor. To much money is spent on career Centrelink staff and private job providing companies that do nothing except manage people. This management of people is simply policing the poor. It is a self serving cultrure that does not create real work for the people.

Start from the basic premise that everyone needs to DO some work in some capacity. The obvious solution is to at least, at the very minimum, create part time government work for people that focus on skills and career opportunities. Working 2 days a week for government is a better solution then policing people. And lets face it, nobody is earning a fortune on unemployment benefits, so lets keep the debate in perspective!

It is anti human to to not help each other enjoy a meaningful life.

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Same old story . Can't deal with the Boss so kick the dog .

Tax payers are shafted by bailing out the banks , suffering govt blundering ,with the wasting of billions on insulation,school halls, and other mismanaged disasters.
The govt can't address basic housing and water needs for the population , introducing new taxes like the carbon one , even though promised it would not .
Because the govt DOES NOT represent the people , they are simply lackeys for international banks, globalist 'think-tanks' and corporations . That is why they have no power to actually tackle any major issues of the people, only you'll note the issues assigned to them by their bosses .
So what can they do ? Attack the weakest and most vulnerable in society is all they can do , because thats basically all the power they have at their disposal.

As people are becoming more informed around the world , this old game doesn't work so well .
Revolution is stirring in the hearts of the people .

WE ARE ON THE MARCH !

When we do revolt, will the U.N come to our aid ?

"The world is governed by personalities very different to what people that cannot see further than their eyes, believe." Benjamin Disraeli

"It doesn't matter who the people voted for, they alway vote for us." Joseph Stalin

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Just2Good

Telling a dole bludger to get a job is kicking the dog? Paying these lazy mongrills month after month tens of thousands of dollars is kicking the dog?

Son, you have obviously not lived through war years or lived in a country which was in any way impoverished.

For the record I have no problem with people receiving the dole, so long as it is only for a temporary period, (ie.) 6 months at the most, with the time in between being used to find gainful employment.

Singapore has no dole. There, families take care of their own. But the Singoporeans also have a better work ethic than many long term recipients of Centrelink funding.

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Yes , it's much easier looking downwards for the problems rather than upwards isn't it ?

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Good posts from arcimboldo and firegoat

Thomas Bishop

You know Australians are fed up with all politicians. Tony Windsor sold out his electorate and their some very angry people in and around Tamworth. His problem is he hates the Nationals to his core, its never been about what is good for the country.

Iconoclast

The voters get what they vote for. They vote for short sighted policy and they get it.

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antichrist

I dont look down on the unemployed but it is very busy at the moment

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Can't deal with the boss , kick the dog .

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