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Taxes are already too high as is Matt. Moreover, Telstra's CEO is doing a great job and sticking up the the company when the government attacks him.
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I tend to agree more with Icon here AO. Ratio difference of earnings between Japanese corporation executives and workers is dramatically less then Westernised models. Corporations are normally public floated companies, so it does make some sense to limit how much the entrusted bosses can get. Jeez if only workers could set their own pays, I'm sure they would get pay rises every year too! Telstra bosses currently want 20%,what a rort
![]() At some point Matt must be right about personal tax. I view this as a coca cola argument. One can a day is nice, ten a day is obsessive, 1,000 a day is just wrong. cheers Fg7 |
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What interested me was the argument the chairman made. To a certain extent he's right about requiring those huge remuneration packages to attract quality management - such is the competitive nature of the capitalist market.
A guy I know is doing a Ph.D on the pay structures of large companies. On average in a smaller business, a boss will earn 4 times that of the average wage of employees, whereas in large corporations, a CEO will command on average 40 times the average employee salary! It's kind of a catch-22 but the key is probably in making slightly higher-scale tax for the big income earners - perhaps step it up to 65% over the next 10-15 years for those earning over 300k (if you do it slowly enough maybe they won't notice - kind of how people are happy with petrol prices if they're around 100c/l now, whereas it was outrageous a couple of years back). |
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100c/L? Where do you buy petrol so cheaply!
(I have petrol station envy!)In any case, here is an essay about the subject matter written by David Wishart (a lecturer of Law at the highly respected La Trobe University). Your friend should feel free to quote this essay, but of course, to avoid plaigiarism, he or she must also acknowledge and appropriately footnote their source!
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Originally Posted by Gendo Ikari
This would simply push more companies off shore. Keep in mind Australian companies operate in an international environment. Sol himself is American. No Australian candidates were considered talented enough to be offered the job.
So if we have, just using randam examples, Telstra offering Sol $20 million per year and a crappy tax structure which recoups much of that (65% in Gendo's example) and Bell Canada offering Sol the same base pay, but with a top tax rate of 45%, where do you think the American will go? Facts of life gentlemen, top talent tends to cost money. AO
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A multimillion dollar pay cheque is no more of a deserved reward than an a lottery win. Utterly out of proportion with actual effort/risk. Shareholders are thieves. Profit without proportionate work is theft. The risk(s) they take are xero. They get a 7 digit sum (a lifetime's wages for some) regardless of thier performance. If you believe the pure market is how we should run society, then get rid of government controls too. We can hire hitmen at market rates to scare others into paying us what ever we demand, for protecting them from other hitmen.
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