Axiom

( SHOULD ! ) Speak for itself .....bottoms up !



[Today 01:02 AM] Axiom: ..you can run on for a long time , run on for a long time , but sooner or later,gotta cut you down ..sooner or later , gonna cut you down (<

[Today 12:42 AM] Axiom: Am i making you feel uncomfortable ? .....yes ? ... well good .....maybe one day you will WAKE THE F.... UP !
[Today 12:40 AM] Axiom: no? ..well you probably dont know who al-awlaki is and why he's important , or the gulf of tonkin incident , or operation ajax , gladio or northwoods either ......why ? because youre not informed ? .....RINSE REPEAT
[Today 12:39 AM] Axiom: no? well its called "propagandist media " .......penny dropping ?
[Today 12:38 AM] Axiom: imagine germany 1935 someone calls in to german govt radio and says the reichstag fire wasn't started by a dutch mental defective ...imagine the nazi faine response .... notice a pattern here ?
[Today 12:36 AM] Axiom: beware the insousient craven dumbed down uninformed stuck in the mud sheep ,...they'll bring us all down !
[Today 12:32 AM] Axiom: spot the fake ..take it off !
[Today 12:30 AM] Axiom: ...ok i said music ...
[Today 12:30 AM] Axiom: as i said , its like shooting sheep in a barrel ,... but few see that barrel as the elephant in the room
[Today 12:28 AM] Axiom: does icon realise how powerful the media is in brainwashing ppl ?
[Today 12:28 AM] Axiom: and ppl like icon question how a top-down, need to know corruption/conspiracy can happen !!
[Today 12:27 AM] Axiom: one more obvious aspect , worth restating ....abc is govt , govt is sending troops ...do you really expect fair balanced reporting ? cmon do you really ?...is that acceptable ?
[Today 12:23 AM] Axiom: but in the mean time we need some music ....
[Today 12:23 AM] Axiom: re-read the whole sb again tonight through cold objective eyes , think about the reasons for defensiveness by faine /abc fans .contrast compare with known facts ...let it sink in ....
[Today 12:21 AM] Axiom: Truth News Radio Australia click on mp3 button and listen to the refreshing sound of intelligent critical thinking in action ...and compare it to the arrogant shill faine's attempted shut down of vitally important debate
[Today 12:19 AM] Axiom: de-programming is exhausting work however , but very rewarding
[Today 12:18 AM] Axiom: most have been programmed to accept the critical thinking is done for them by the "experts" in abc , govt etc ,...like moz's telling admission tonight
[Today 12:16 AM] Axiom: repeated aggressive stuffing of the face right into facts and critical thinking ...you just keep hitting em with fact , then question, then fact , then point out their internal contradiction....rinse repeat ...
[Today 12:15 AM] Axiom: its the only method i know that has some success , if i knew of another gentler method , i'd use it !
[Today 12:14 AM] Axiom: one really needs to drag the comatose cultist by the scruff of the neck and vigorously stuff their face in their own contradictions ...let them up for air , then repeat over time
[Today 12:12 AM] Axiom: hbp you are the 3rd person this month who has seen something in what i say , im heartened , ..good night hbp , you too
[Today 12:12 AM] hobsonbay player: anyway night ax ! have a good one
[Today 12:11 AM] Axiom: so am i hbp !
[Today 12:11 AM] Axiom: its the alex jones confrontational approach eliciting emotional response hence more likely to sink in over time
[Today 12:10 AM] hobsonbay player: l'am partially there !
[Today 12:10 AM] Axiom: yes hbp , but the penny drops later , like it did with you
[Today 12:09 AM] Axiom: this is the subject for my book " deprogramming sheeple"
[Today 12:09 AM] hobsonbay player: They will come around ! must be more patient , Must get everyone in right mood first ax !
[Today 12:09 AM] Axiom: you see the cognitive dissonance ?
[Today 12:08 AM] Axiom: see the diversion the deflection ?
[Today 12:08 AM] Axiom: you see the stunned mullet mutton in the face of paradigm confronting facts ?
[Today 12:07 AM] Axiom: you see what happened here tonight hbp ?
[Today 12:07 AM] Axiom: or are you going to say like moz , he is happy for abc to sort it out themselves ?? lol
[Today 12:07 AM] hobsonbay player: night FG, l'am going too , great entertainment as usual !
[Today 12:06 AM] Axiom: lol
[Today 12:06 AM] Axiom: fg , are you not going to answer my question on faine like moz ?
[Today 12:05 AM] Firegoat7: night All

[Today 12:04 AM] Axiom: but no, you still lick the boots of govt , still lick the boots of faine and abc , ....why dont you lick the boots of the million dead in iraq and afganistan you brainwashed dumb sheep ?
[Today 12:02 AM] Axiom: Cmon , really its about time after 5yrs that some of you started at least showing signs of waking up

[Today 12:01 AM] Axiom: Truth News Radio Australia LISTEN MP3

[Yesterday 11:59 PM] Axiom: well, how fukkin appropriate fg !
[Yesterday 11:58 PM] Firegoat7: sorry Ax watching the status quo clip
[Yesterday 11:57 PM] Axiom: or is the issue of the public questioning the rationale for the war dead , trivial ?
[Yesterday 11:56 PM] Axiom: fg - what is your opinion on faine and bracken ?
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Firegoat7: one for Ax
[Yesterday 11:55 PM] Axiom: Truth News Radio Australia listen to mp3

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[Yesterday 11:06 PM] Axiom: al-awlaki met with pentagon top brass months after 9/11 , he is in pentagon's own words an al qeada leader ,.....is there anything going on in your brain at all ??

[for the preceding fireworks see the SB archives]

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"Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

MOZ

I do express surprise that it is necessary to mount a defence for the ABC.
My view has been that our public broadcaster is characterized by integrity, independence and checks/balances internally.
That you have a difference of opinion with the handling on one talk-back caller comes as no surprise given the particular controversial topic that apparently was being aired that day. You are entitled to that difference of opinion. If the ABC Management also think that Faine was over-the-top then they will take some action.
But, it is not reasonable of you to extrapolate from one incident to form a generality on the Presenter nor the ABC organization.
Let us not throw the baby out with the bath-water.
Let's hear it for the ABC.

regards, and with respect
MOZ*

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Axiom

yes , to make sure we stay well away from the most important issues governing our lives . egs. globalisation , global think tanks - cfr , bilderberg , secret societies , debate on climate change fraud and its increased taxes , cost of living , the banking system ,the mal-informing media, the military industrial complex , false flags , propaganda etc etc
the question is why the difference of opinion ?
this is not a caller on the usual trivia that the media passes off for informative news ....no, its only ON THE VERY BASIS OF THE INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ , KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS !!

How you could in any way defend a media that aggressively shuts down debate on this topic , is , im sure if you reflect on , rather irrational and misguided at best .

Rationally , these are some questions that should be aired : - 1) What were the misgivings and doubts that 6 of the 10 NIST commissioners had about their very own findings ?
2) Why did al qaeda leader al-awlaki meet with senior pentagon officials months after 9/11 ?
3) Why is OBL not on the FBI's most wanted list ?

Do you want an open and free media capable and wiling to handle the big questions , or are you happy they shut down the big topics and the big questions ?

Which , you know and i know will do precisely nothing to open the airways on this topic .
Are you content with that ?
With respect , i dont need to extrapolate i just need to list scores of important big stories the abc wouldn't touch with a barge pole . Of which questioning the 9/11 conspiracy is just one of them .

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MOZ

I agree. This was a caller selected from a queue of dozens who typically wait 45 minutes for their moment of Faine ... (sorry, couldn't resist that pun ). The Production staff behind Faine vet the incoming callers and their topics; in this case they let the caller to air and could not have been in the least surprised by the topic he raised. Following this, they let a second caller to air with similar viewpoint. This was no accidental opening of an agenda; yet open it the ABC did.

As I described, it looks like the ABC 'generated' the topic from all the queued callers that morning. That hardly looks like a shut down. Aggressive and provocative I have agreed previously in the s/b.

To re-state, this surely must be the first or only time you have taken Faine to task? Not enough evidence to make the accusation of gate-keeper stick in my view.

regards
MOZ*

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Axiom

cute, but you're on the rack ,..zis iz no time for jokes !

Yes, to aggressively shut it down !
Which supports exactly what i'm saying !

What ??
"..hardly looks like a shut down " ??
terms like , "nutter" , "extremist" , "corrosive of democracy" ( what an ironic joke that one is !)
..don't look like shut down tactics to you ?

they certainly are back firing though, as faine and abc under seige from the awakening masses.
Why aren't you one of them yet ?

abc is govt propaganda serf radio , they are the gatekeepers , of which faine is their dog ...as i said in my previous post they refuse to touch the big issues ..they are no different from the media in any communist/fascist state .
All you need is a cursory inspection of the giant list of major topics the abc don't touch .
This particular incident i've used to make my case because it is so glaring !

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"Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

Axiom

How are the clear,critical thinkers going on this one ?

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"Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

Axiom

Stunned into a frozen state of cognitive dissonance ?

Well , to hear others like bracken pointing to the naked emperor elephant in the room , read the comments section here Trades Hall president Kevin Bracken calls 9/11 ‘conspiracy’

"Looks like Jon Faine makes the rounds covering for the globalists – even if he was just an unsuspecting useful idiot you’d think by coincidence he would disagree with at least one mainline globalist view, no?

Faine is a weaselly, ratty little liar. I contacted ABC (whether they care or not) and let them know Faine is talking to himself – the people don’t buy this anymore."
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"Everyone take 5 minutes to go to Australia’s ABC’s website and contact them regarding Jon Faine’s belittling Kevin Bracken and stifling debate and objective discourse.

I just got done contacting ABC – reaffirming that indeed Jon Faine is a coward, dishonest, and contradictory of the values we as Westerners are supposed to hold dear, fight for and defend.

Be polite, professional, because your words are a direct reflection of you. Let them know that Jon Faine DOES NOT speak for the majority regarding 911 and the door mat government in Australia the globalists and British crown constantly wipe their feet on."
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"Absolutely. And let’s not forget the Herald Sun whose coverage of this story has been utterly disgraceful and sickening : heraldsun.com.au/opinion/editorials/attack-conspiracy-theory-a-disgrace/story-e6frfhqo-1225941403820

even though their own poll shows over 75% of people agree with Mr Bracken’s comments:

heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trades-hall-president-kevin-bracken-calls-911-conspiracy/story-e6frf7kx-1225941158523 "
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"This John Fain clown thinks Mr Brackens comments are ” corrosive of peoples confidence and trust and and the rule of law in democracy ” . LOL"
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Are there any functioning non brainwashed brain cells out there ?

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"Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

Axiom

Is Jon Faine

a) stupid
b) uninformed
c) brainwashed
d) an intellectual coward
e) a gatekeeping hired shill

or any combination thereof ?

The same btw could be asked about The editor of the Herald Sun , J Gillard , J Howard or any other obstruction to open debate .

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"Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

Igor Goldenberg

Ax,

Please correct me if I am wrong, but your line of reasoning looks like:
"Official account of 9/11 does not stack up, hence it was an inside job".
Irrespectively of whether former correct or not, it does not infer the latter.

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Axiom

Yes you are completely wrong. Where did you conclude that ???
My position is that the official story is so highly suspect that hundreds of scientists, engineers , senior military , and leaders of countries question it !

Just that these questions are not allowed to be heard or debated in our media !

I mean the topic is after-all supposedly the trigger for the consequent killing of hundreds of thousands of people !
It's not faine prattling inanely on about tree pruning in stonnington or whatever other trivia he proudly stuffs in our faces .

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Igor Goldenberg

OK, let me ask you differently:
1. Do you assert that 9/11 was an inside job?
2. If yes, do you base this assertion on holes in official report?

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Axiom

Before i answer those , i should remind you that my central position on these forums for the LAST 5 YRS has been our Dangerous ILL,DIS,MIS AND MAL -INFORMING MEDIA !

To discuss possible scenarios for what was really behind and transpired on 9/11 i recommend the thread here "9/11"
This thread, however is about the grossest most glaring example of the shut down of open questioning and debate in the media . ie . abc blatently exposed as an unfit news organisation.Something informed people should be extremely angry about .

Now for the purposes of this thread ,my answers to your two questions :
1)No,not particularly , but it is a model that fits the facts quite persuasively , when one is informed about the historical context including the PNAC document , the CIA formation of al qaeda , history of false flags and the hundreds of other clues .But this is theory/analysis , critical thinking , NOT proof.
Remember - WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT CAVE DIRECTED BOX CUTTERS DID IT ALONE ?

2.) only partially , see 1)

I really thought my post #10 nailed it .

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"Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

Igor Goldenberg

while I agree that official account is lacking and has holes bigger then Swiss cheese, conspiracy explanation is a long shot.
There is a much simpler explanation. Of course it's not as sexy and juicy, and someone Jones (or whatever his name) wouldn't have much to go about, but I think it's much more likely to true.

Every secret service is a least accountable and, as such, most incompetent part of bureaucracy. They just try to cover their laziness and incompetence. Extracting extra funding is an extra bonus (and the part where they are very competent).

I have few hypothesis on what actually happened, but they are not based on hard evidences.

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hobsonbay player

Till we get proper independent investigation about 9/11 you'll continue hear
from many quarters it was inside job .Speculation will be rife ,as it is now so they commissioners and investigators must set record straight for those
families concern and people of USA , so we can put it to bed .It cant come
soon enough !

MOZ

This oblique debater who has long passed from being a hobbledehoy, finds the new Ax style to be similar to the chesschat time-wasting pressure.
If I wanted to debate in that style I would still be posting there.
The NOW forum originally offered a different clime.


regards
MOZ*

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