David Jones Sued for 37 Million - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 08-07-2010, 12:38 PM

Interesting story about a young woman suing DJ because she was sexually harassed. DJ then set up a hotline for other woman employees so they can now easily dob in their male counterparts. AC, you had better watch out!

**antichrist** · 08-07-2010, 01:40 PM

Well AO first of all I don't work at DJs and secondly, the manager, male or female, can touch me up as much as they like for $37Mill - big time.

**Ruy Lopez** · 08-08-2010, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

Interesting story about a young woman suing DJ because she was sexually harassed. DJ then set up a hotline for other woman employees so they can now easily dob in their male counterparts. AC, you had better watch out!

I read that the $37 million figure is so large because she is seeking exemplary damages/punitive damages - rather than just the normal compensatory damages usually given to victims to compensate them for their pain and suffering (which would be lower). It had to be this high because a lower figure would not be sufficient to 'punish' McInnes/DJs given the high salary/profit they make? Fraser-Kirk has (allegedly) promised to give the money to charity if she is successful

I think she is using the case more to send a message to corporations or businesses or CEOs that this kind of behaviour is not on (rather than simply because of her own pain and suffering - although I don't doubt that this has occurred or that it is a consideration).

**Iconoclast** · 08-08-2010, 06:49 PM

First up against the wall, the lawyers.

**Superbear** · 08-09-2010, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

First up against the wall, the lawyers.

I'm happy for the payout (though I think it is way too much), if she does what she said she'll do and donate the lot to charities helping women who have been sexually abused etc.

And while it wont stop me totally shopping from David Jones, it'll certainly make me think twice about it. This isnt just about the actions of one random person, but the CEO and the company's failure to act on the claims when they were made the first time.

**Ehm TO** · 08-09-2010, 08:56 AM

Ignorance being displayed here...what is David Jones? Comparable to a Wal-Mart? lmgtfy links can kiss my ass before anyone decides to post it.

**Ruy Lopez** · 08-09-2010, 09:47 AM

Its like a high end Walmart, a department store chain where you spend top dollar - and they have fashion shows and related stuff, always advertising.

**Just2Good** · 08-09-2010, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Superbear

And while it wont stop me totally shopping from David Jones, it'll certainly make me think twice about it.

It won't influence my decision to shop there, especially considering Myers is the alternative and I generally dislike Myers (don't know why).

I think, whether right or wrong, this woman has simply made a mountain out of a mole hill. I hope she's not rewarded for it with a big settlement pay out.

**Jaydon** · 08-09-2010, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Superbear

And while it wont stop me totally shopping from David Jones, it'll certainly make me think twice about it.

But why should or would this affect your decision to shop there? I don't see what difference this makes to you as a consumer.

I'd also like to add that the amount of money expected for these claims is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion

**Counterplay** · 08-09-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

But why should or would this affect your decision to shop there? I don't see what difference this makes to you as a consumer.

I'd also like to add that the amount of money expected for these claims is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion

It does make a difference in a way. For example, I do not buy Nike products because Nike uses child labor in India to make some of their products. Its about being a conscientious consumer, not turning a blind eye to moral wrongs.

**Ehm TO** · 08-09-2010, 02:21 PM

The mass majority of consumers don't look into the practices of companies. And negative publicity while always bad usually doesn't last very long unless extremely bad. Wal-Mart has a class-action suit against them for discrimination against female employees but it still continues to build its empire.

After writing a paper on Wal-Mart I no longer shop there but I doubt most people care about the moral conduct of companies. Especially since the majority of them break ethics.

**Jaydon** · 08-09-2010, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Counterplay

It does make a difference in a way. For example, I do not buy Nike products because Nike uses child labor in India to make some of their products. Its about being a conscientious consumer, not turning a blind eye to moral wrongs.

Well I can understand about Nike but do you really expect that anywhere else you're going to shop is going to be filled with and run by people who don't make mistakes or aren't .. ethically inclined?

**Just2Good** · 08-09-2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

Well I can understand about Nike but do you really expect that anywhere else you're going to shop is going to be filled with and run by people who don't make mistakes or aren't .. ethically inclined?

But there is a difference between making mistakes and being evil. Some corporations, mostly banks and insurance companies, are evil to their core.

**antichrist** · 08-10-2010, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

It won't influence my decision to shop there, especially considering Myers is the alternative and I generally dislike Myers (don't know why).

I think, whether right or wrong, this woman has simply made a mountain out of a mole hill. I hope she's not rewarded for it with a big settlement pay out.

The perpentrator will be thrilled that you called it a mountain, and I don't think she will appreciate being called a mole (hill)

**Axiom** · 08-10-2010, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

The perpentrator will be thrilled that you called it a mountain, and I don't think she will appreciate being called a mole (hill)

Yes i was offended by j2g's use of the word "mole" in that context , and ask it be withdrawn immediately .

..and yes i'm a politically correct programmed brainwashed bot too !

08-07-2010, 12:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	David Jones Sued for 37 Million Interesting story about a young woman suing DJ because she was sexually harassed. DJ then set up a hotline for other woman employees so they can now easily dob in their male counterparts. AC, you had better watch out! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-08-2010, 11:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ruy Lopez Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New South Wales Posts: 24	Originally Posted by Just2Good Interesting story about a young woman suing DJ because she was sexually harassed. DJ then set up a hotline for other woman employees so they can now easily dob in their male counterparts. AC, you had better watch out! I read that the $37 million figure is so large because she is seeking exemplary damages/punitive damages - rather than just the normal compensatory damages usually given to victims to compensate them for their pain and suffering (which would be lower). It had to be this high because a lower figure would not be sufficient to 'punish' McInnes/DJs given the high salary/profit they make? Fraser-Kirk has (allegedly) promised to give the money to charity if she is successful I think she is using the case more to send a message to corporations or businesses or CEOs that this kind of behaviour is not on (rather than simply because of her own pain and suffering - although I don't doubt that this has occurred or that it is a consideration).

08-08-2010, 06:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	First up against the wall, the lawyers. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-09-2010, 03:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Superbear Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 49 ICC Handle: Superbear	Originally Posted by Iconoclast First up against the wall, the lawyers. I'm happy for the payout (though I think it is way too much), if she does what she said she'll do and donate the lot to charities helping women who have been sexually abused etc. And while it wont stop me totally shopping from David Jones, it'll certainly make me think twice about it. This isnt just about the actions of one random person, but the CEO and the company's failure to act on the claims when they were made the first time.

08-09-2010, 08:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	Ignorance being displayed here...what is David Jones? Comparable to a Wal-Mart? lmgtfy links can kiss my ass before anyone decides to post it. __________________ Camel - Welcome to flavour country!

08-07-2010, 01:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Well AO first of all I don't work at DJs and secondly, the manager, male or female, can touch me up as much as they like for $37Mill - big time.

08-09-2010, 09:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ruy Lopez Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New South Wales Posts: 24	Its like a high end Walmart, a department store chain where you spend top dollar - and they have fashion shows and related stuff, always advertising.

08-09-2010, 10:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Superbear And while it wont stop me totally shopping from David Jones, it'll certainly make me think twice about it. It won't influence my decision to shop there, especially considering Myers is the alternative and I generally dislike Myers (don't know why). I think, whether right or wrong, this woman has simply made a mountain out of a mole hill. I hope she's not rewarded for it with a big settlement pay out. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-09-2010, 12:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Superbear And while it wont stop me totally shopping from David Jones, it'll certainly make me think twice about it. But why should or would this affect your decision to shop there? I don't see what difference this makes to you as a consumer. I'd also like to add that the amount of money expected for these claims is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion

08-09-2010, 12:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Counterplay Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 76	Originally Posted by Jaydon But why should or would this affect your decision to shop there? I don't see what difference this makes to you as a consumer. I'd also like to add that the amount of money expected for these claims is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion It does make a difference in a way. For example, I do not buy Nike products because Nike uses child labor in India to make some of their products. Its about being a conscientious consumer, not turning a blind eye to moral wrongs.

08-09-2010, 02:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	The mass majority of consumers don't look into the practices of companies. And negative publicity while always bad usually doesn't last very long unless extremely bad. Wal-Mart has a class-action suit against them for discrimination against female employees but it still continues to build its empire. After writing a paper on Wal-Mart I no longer shop there but I doubt most people care about the moral conduct of companies. Especially since the majority of them break ethics. __________________ Camel - Welcome to flavour country!

08-09-2010, 02:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Counterplay It does make a difference in a way. For example, I do not buy Nike products because Nike uses child labor in India to make some of their products. Its about being a conscientious consumer, not turning a blind eye to moral wrongs. Well I can understand about Nike but do you really expect that anywhere else you're going to shop is going to be filled with and run by people who don't make mistakes or aren't .. ethically inclined?

08-09-2010, 02:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Jaydon Well I can understand about Nike but do you really expect that anywhere else you're going to shop is going to be filled with and run by people who don't make mistakes or aren't .. ethically inclined? But there is a difference between making mistakes and being evil. Some corporations, mostly banks and insurance companies, are evil to their core. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-10-2010, 12:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good It won't influence my decision to shop there, especially considering Myers is the alternative and I generally dislike Myers (don't know why). I think, whether right or wrong, this woman has simply made a mountain out of a mole hill. I hope she's not rewarded for it with a big settlement pay out. The perpentrator will be thrilled that you called it a mountain, and I don't think she will appreciate being called a mole (hill)

08-10-2010, 12:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Oy Freakin Vey ! Originally Posted by antichrist The perpentrator will be thrilled that you called it a mountain, and I don't think she will appreciate being called a mole (hill) Yes i was offended by j2g's use of the word "mole" in that context , and ask it be withdrawn immediately . ..and yes i'm a politically correct programmed brainwashed bot too ! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

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