Genetically Modified Foods - Page 2 - OzChess

**granturismo4ad** · 03-07-2010, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

So, given the choice, I vote for trusting the scientific community - that is what the smart money is betting on.

And the scientific community supports GM foods, and not just because of the money that can be made from them?

**Iconoclast** · 03-07-2010, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by granturismo4ad

And the scientific community supports GM foods, and not just because of the money that can be made from them?

No, the scientific community supports the truth - not the Monsantos the Pfizers the Exons the politicians the right the left the greens the Martians the god(s) or stirers. Just the truth. Most of the time we get to it first go. rare there is a human error, a rouge, or a random anomaly first, but, it does get corrected. IF GM was dodgy, we would already know. It has been around for 20 years and there has been no verified sign of ill effects.

Examples of science self correction: Vioxx, CFCs, radium.

**Just2Good** · 03-07-2010, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom

you might like to actually get informed instead of swallowing whole monsanto inspired propaganda by researching the link between gm foods and digestive disorders , and other works by countless scientific researchers pointing to its dangers , besides the two you mentioned .

I concur.

If we look at the health problems people have today, we can often trace the source to diet and eating GM modified foods. For instance - feeding cows a corn based diet instead of a grass based diet. Most cereals being packed with sugar is another example, even though these do not fall 'directly' into the GM Food debate, they are of a similar enough nature. The food industry is geared towards profitability, not providing healthy food choices for consumers.

**Axiom** · 03-07-2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

You answer my question.

In any case, there are several seed banks around the world attempting to keep enough genetic diversity in the food crops, should a catastrophe hit this or that crop.

No need for sarcasm. I do not trust Monsanto much either. However, I do trust the system of peer review. So far the triumphs and scientific self correction that has occurred over the last century has been 99% successful in keeping us safe. Yes there have been some tragedies. but you should weight the pluses against the minuses. Frankly, I do not want to wear furs, consult a witch doctor, live in a cave and eat rotten meat over winter.

So, given the choice, I vote for trusting the scientific community - that is what the smart money is betting on.

What is so frightening about Engdahl's vision of the world is that it is so real. Although our civilization has been built on humanistic ideals, in this new age of "free markets", everything-- science, commerce, agriculture and even seeds-- have become weapons in the hands of a few global corporation barons and their political fellow travelers. To achieve world domination, they no longer rely on bayonet-wielding soldiers. All they need is to control food production. (Dr. Arpad Pusztai, biochemist, formerly of the Rowett Research Institute Institute, Scotland)

If you want to learn about the socio-political agenda --why biotech corporations insist on spreading GMO seeds around the World-- you should read this carefully researched book. You will learn how these corporations want to achieve control over all mankind, and why we must resist... (Marijan Jost, Professor of Genetics, Krizevci, Croatia)

The book reads like a murder mystery of an incredible dimension, in which four giant Anglo-American agribusiness conglomerates have no hesitation to use GMO to gain control over our very means of subsistence... (Anton Moser, Professor of Biotechnology, Graz, Austria).

**Iconoclast** · 03-07-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

I concur.

If we look at the health problems people have today, we can often trace the source to diet and eating GM modified foods. For instance - feeding cows a corn based diet instead of a grass based diet. Most cereals being packed with sugar is another example, even though these do not fall 'directly' into the GM Food debate, they are of a similar enough nature. The food industry is geared towards profitability, not providing health food choices for consumers.

" 'directly' " [?????] It is sure not 'direct' or even remotely "similar enough". 100 packets of potato chips and the same made from GM potato have exactly the same effects on the body. Therefore GM status is an irrelevancy to health outcomes. The truth be known, a GM potato that resists absorption of oil would in fact be better (!) for you.

As for consumers making healthy choices, perhaps less Coke, chesse Doritos and TimTams would be a better choice than overpriced "organic" It's joke food for numb-nuts who would rather feed the pockets of sanctimonious hippy farmers, than feed the world.

**Iconoclast** · 03-07-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

What is so frightening ... everything-- science, commerce, agriculture and even seeds-- have become weapons in the hands of a few global corporation barons and their political fellow travellers. To achieve world domination, ... they need is to control food production.

Yes, I can see this as a argument against oligopoly power over the food chain. We agree on this.

However, this is NOT evidence of GM being a dangerous product. The science is bloody good. Unfortunately, scare mongering by non-scientists finds the cocked ear of those who see only ulterior motives in all things they do not understand.

**Just2Good** · 03-07-2010, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

As for consumers making healthy choices, perhaps less Coke, chesse Doritos and TimTams would be a better choice than overpriced "organic" It's joke food for numb-nuts who would rather feed the pockets of sanctimonious hippy farmers, than feed the world.

That sounds un-Australian to me Matt

**Axiom** · 03-10-2010, 06:29 PM

See also , aspartame , msg , high fructose corn syrup

**Iconoclast** · 03-11-2010, 12:20 AM

Mercury is can be more toxic or less toxic depending on what it is bonded too. Eg Dimethyl mercury in mind bogglingly nasty. However, pure mercury can be swallowed without panic. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA.

As for MSG: Spinkle table salt on meat of any kind and you get a chemical reaction that produces a schit load of MSG. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA.

Corn syrup fructose might have a small degree of toxicity to the liver at high doses. Biochemically it metabolises using some pathways that overlap with alcohol metabolism. Thus it might have a similar effect as drinking a few beers. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA.

Stop listening to these crazy bastards! Get a science degree.

**Axiom** · 03-11-2010, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Mercury is can be more toxic or less toxic depending on what it is bonded too. Eg Dimethyl mercury in mind bogglingly nasty. However, pure mercury can be swallowed without panic. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA.

As for MSG: Spinkle table salt on meat of any kind and you get a chemical reaction that produces a schit load of MSG. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA.

Corn syrup fructose might have a small degree of toxicity to the liver at high doses. Biochemically it metabolises using some pathways that overlap with alcohol metabolism. Thus it might have a similar effect as drinking a few beers. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA.

Stop listening to these crazy bastards! Get a science degree.

yes that crazy bastard has one !
in fact there are many crazy bastards with them ,
and many of them say that aspartame , mercury , sodium fluoride,msg and high fructose corn syrup are to be avoided !

**Iconoclast** · 03-11-2010, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Axiom

yes that crazy bastard has one !

And that Safarti plays good chess and has a PhD in science is a Young-Earther.

Not every scientist is sane. Stop listening to crazy ones. Either learn some science so you will know who the crazy ones are, OR you could at the least, listen to reputable ones.

**Axiom** · 03-11-2010, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

And that Safarti plays good chess and has a PhD in science is a Young-Earther.

Not every scientist is sane. Stop listening to crazy ones. Either learn some science so you will know who the crazy ones are, OR you could at the least, listen to reputable ones.

LOL

**Axiom** · 03-16-2010, 10:33 PM

Monsanto admits their technology doesn’t work! | Datensatz

**Axiom** · 03-19-2010, 05:03 PM

GM crops cause liver and kidney damage

'A report published in the International Journal of Microbiology has verified once again that Monsanto's genetically modified (GM) crops are causing severe health problems. A legal challenge issued against Monsanto forced the multi-national agriculture giant to release raw data revealing that animals fed its patented GM corn suffered liver and kidney damage within just three months.

Adding to the mounting evidence that GM crops are dangerous all around, this information provides a damning indictment against Monsanto which continually insists that its GM products are safe. Not only are GM crops proving disastrous for the environment, but study after study, including those conducted by Monsanto itself, is showing that GM foods are detrimental to health.'

**Just2Good** · 03-19-2010, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Mercury is can be more toxic or less toxic depending on what it is bonded too.

Did you know eating too much tuna is known to lead to mercury poisoning?

03-07-2010, 08:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
granturismo4ad Monty Python reference Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rockford, IL, USA Posts: 124 FICS Handle: granturismo4ad	Originally Posted by Iconoclast So, given the choice, I vote for trusting the scientific community - that is what the smart money is betting on. And the scientific community supports GM foods, and not just because of the money that can be made from them?

03-07-2010, 09:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by granturismo4ad And the scientific community supports GM foods, and not just because of the money that can be made from them? No, the scientific community supports the truth - not the Monsantos the Pfizers the Exons the politicians the right the left the greens the Martians the god(s) or stirers. Just the truth. Most of the time we get to it first go. rare there is a human error, a rouge, or a random anomaly first, but, it does get corrected. IF GM was dodgy, we would already know. It has been around for 20 years and there has been no verified sign of ill effects. Examples of science self correction: Vioxx, CFCs, radium. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-07-2010, 10:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Axiom you might like to actually get informed instead of swallowing whole monsanto inspired propaganda by researching the link between gm foods and digestive disorders , and other works by countless scientific researchers pointing to its dangers , besides the two you mentioned . I concur. If we look at the health problems people have today, we can often trace the source to diet and eating GM modified foods. For instance - feeding cows a corn based diet instead of a grass based diet. Most cereals being packed with sugar is another example, even though these do not fall 'directly' into the GM Food debate, they are of a similar enough nature. The food industry is geared towards profitability, not providing healthy food choices for consumers. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~ Last edited by Just2Good : 03-07-2010 at 08:07 PM Reason: Changed word 'health' to 'healthy'

03-07-2010, 11:42 AM	#19 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast You answer my question. In any case, there are several seed banks around the world attempting to keep enough genetic diversity in the food crops, should a catastrophe hit this or that crop. No need for sarcasm. I do not trust Monsanto much either. However, I do trust the system of peer review. So far the triumphs and scientific self correction that has occurred over the last century has been 99% successful in keeping us safe. Yes there have been some tragedies. but you should weight the pluses against the minuses. Frankly, I do not want to wear furs, consult a witch doctor, live in a cave and eat rotten meat over winter. So, given the choice, I vote for trusting the scientific community - that is what the smart money is betting on. What is so frightening about Engdahl's vision of the world is that it is so real. Although our civilization has been built on humanistic ideals, in this new age of "free markets", everything-- science, commerce, agriculture and even seeds-- have become weapons in the hands of a few global corporation barons and their political fellow travelers. To achieve world domination, they no longer rely on bayonet-wielding soldiers. All they need is to control food production. (Dr. Arpad Pusztai, biochemist, formerly of the Rowett Research Institute Institute, Scotland) If you want to learn about the socio-political agenda --why biotech corporations insist on spreading GMO seeds around the World-- you should read this carefully researched book. You will learn how these corporations want to achieve control over all mankind, and why we must resist... (Marijan Jost, Professor of Genetics, Krizevci, Croatia) The book reads like a murder mystery of an incredible dimension, in which four giant Anglo-American agribusiness conglomerates have no hesitation to use GMO to gain control over our very means of subsistence... (Anton Moser, Professor of Biotechnology, Graz, Austria). __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

03-07-2010, 01:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Just2Good I concur. If we look at the health problems people have today, we can often trace the source to diet and eating GM modified foods. For instance - feeding cows a corn based diet instead of a grass based diet. Most cereals being packed with sugar is another example, even though these do not fall 'directly' into the GM Food debate, they are of a similar enough nature. The food industry is geared towards profitability, not providing health food choices for consumers. " 'directly' " [?????] It is sure not 'direct' or even remotely "similar enough". 100 packets of potato chips and the same made from GM potato have exactly the same effects on the body. Therefore GM status is an irrelevancy to health outcomes. The truth be known, a GM potato that resists absorption of oil would in fact be better (!) for you. As for consumers making healthy choices, perhaps less Coke, chesse Doritos and TimTams would be a better choice than overpriced "organic" It's joke food for numb-nuts who would rather feed the pockets of sanctimonious hippy farmers, than feed the world. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-07-2010, 02:07 PM	#21 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom What is so frightening ... everything-- science, commerce, agriculture and even seeds-- have become weapons in the hands of a few global corporation barons and their political fellow travellers. To achieve world domination, ... they need is to control food production. Yes, I can see this as a argument against oligopoly power over the food chain. We agree on this. However, this is NOT evidence of GM being a dangerous product. The science is bloody good. Unfortunately, scare mongering by non-scientists finds the cocked ear of those who see only ulterior motives in all things they do not understand. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-07-2010, 08:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Tim tams = Australian Icon Originally Posted by Iconoclast As for consumers making healthy choices, perhaps less Coke, chesse Doritos and TimTams would be a better choice than overpriced "organic" It's joke food for numb-nuts who would rather feed the pockets of sanctimonious hippy farmers, than feed the world. That sounds un-Australian to me Matt __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

03-10-2010, 06:29 PM	#23 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Related - Food Science Corrupted By Govt/Money See also , aspartame , msg , high fructose corn syrup __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

03-11-2010, 12:20 AM	#24 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Mercury is can be more toxic or less toxic depending on what it is bonded too. Eg Dimethyl mercury in mind bogglingly nasty. However, pure mercury can be swallowed without panic. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA. As for MSG: Spinkle table salt on meat of any kind and you get a chemical reaction that produces a schit load of MSG. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA. Corn syrup fructose might have a small degree of toxicity to the liver at high doses. Biochemically it metabolises using some pathways that overlap with alcohol metabolism. Thus it might have a similar effect as drinking a few beers. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA. Stop listening to these crazy bastards! Get a science degree. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-11-2010, 02:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Mercury is can be more toxic or less toxic depending on what it is bonded too. Eg Dimethyl mercury in mind bogglingly nasty. However, pure mercury can be swallowed without panic. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA. As for MSG: Spinkle table salt on meat of any kind and you get a chemical reaction that produces a schit load of MSG. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA. Corn syrup fructose might have a small degree of toxicity to the liver at high doses. Biochemically it metabolises using some pathways that overlap with alcohol metabolism. Thus it might have a similar effect as drinking a few beers. The phkwtz in the above vid have NO IDEA. Stop listening to these crazy bastards! Get a science degree. yes that crazy bastard has one ! in fact there are many crazy bastards with them , and many of them say that aspartame , mercury , sodium fluoride,msg and high fructose corn syrup are to be avoided ! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom Last edited by Axiom : 03-11-2010 at 11:58 AM

03-11-2010, 07:26 PM	#26 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Axiom yes that crazy bastard has one ! And that Safarti plays good chess and has a PhD in science is a Young-Earther. Not every scientist is sane. Stop listening to crazy ones. Either learn some science so you will know who the crazy ones are, OR you could at the least, listen to reputable ones. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

03-11-2010, 10:42 PM	#27 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast And that Safarti plays good chess and has a PhD in science is a Young-Earther. Not every scientist is sane. Stop listening to crazy ones. Either learn some science so you will know who the crazy ones are, OR you could at the least, listen to reputable ones. LOL __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

03-16-2010, 10:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Monsanto admits their technology doesn’t work! \| Datensatz __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

03-19-2010, 05:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	GM crops cause liver and kidney damage 'A report published in the International Journal of Microbiology has verified once again that Monsanto's genetically modified (GM) crops are causing severe health problems. A legal challenge issued against Monsanto forced the multi-national agriculture giant to release raw data revealing that animals fed its patented GM corn suffered liver and kidney damage within just three months. Adding to the mounting evidence that GM crops are dangerous all around, this information provides a damning indictment against Monsanto which continually insists that its GM products are safe. Not only are GM crops proving disastrous for the environment, but study after study, including those conducted by Monsanto itself, is showing that GM foods are detrimental to health.' __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

03-19-2010, 10:07 PM	#30 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Mercury is can be more toxic or less toxic depending on what it is bonded too. Did you know eating too much tuna is known to lead to mercury poisoning? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

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