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**Iconoclast** · 05-25-2008, 03:49 PM

My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. All our members were included, which includes me. The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted. The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. He does not have the guts to debate me here about his unfitness to hold office. But he does have the guts to knife me in the back again and again because he thinks he is invincible.

He is becoming more isolated with every year, and one day, he will be gone leaving nothing but a broken Association and that particularly pungent odour that emanates from a wet kennel.

The very worst of luck to you Gletsos, you deserve every bit of it.

**Just2Good** · 05-25-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. All our members were included, which includes me. The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted. The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. He does not have the guts to debate me here about his unfitness to hold office. But he does have the guts to knife me in the back again and again because he thinks he is invincible. He is becoming more isolated with every year, and one day, he will be gone leaving nothing but a broken Association and that particularly pungent odour that emanates from a wet kennel.

The very worst of luck to you Gletsos, you deserve every bit of it.

The economic strife the NSWCA has been engulfed in over the past few years, while Bill Gletsos has been president and vice president, speak volumes about his unfitness to lead that state chess association.

He is the only state chess association president I have ever heard of who has presided over a state chess association that has lost a whopping $11,000 plus dollars in a single financial year!

**YumYum** · 05-25-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA.

Why?

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted.

Why?

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me.

Why?

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application.

Is he allowed to do that? Why don't you try calling him and see if you can sort out whatever the problem is? Maybe you forgot to pay the fee?

**Bill Gletsos** · 05-25-2008, 06:51 PM

I see where you are up to your old tricks of half-truths and falsehoods as usual.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

All our members were included, which includes me.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted.

Incorrect.
I rang your club president to inform him the Council had received the membership forms and I could therefore go ahead and rate his clubs events. I also informed him that the Council had agreed to only accept you as an Associate Member.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me.

I chose to communicate with the party responsible for the forms, your club president.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application.

Incorrect. It was noted at a previous council meeting that your membership would only be accepted as an Associate Member.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

He does not have the guts to debate me here about his unfitness to hold office.

You are just an abusive individual who continually posted sexually explicit vile comments, foul language and vulgar statements on numerous chess related bulletin boards.
As for calling me a coward, it is you who does not have the backbone to apologise for your disgraceful behaviour.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

But he does have the guts to knife me in the back again and again because he thinks he is invincible.

All action taken against you has not been instigated by me, but by others. I have however not objected to that action being taken.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

He is becoming more isolated with every year, and one day, he will be gone leaving nothing but a broken Association and that particularly pungent odour that emanates from a wet kennel.

Your facade of politeness on this board his once again on show for all to see.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The very worst of luck to you Gletsos, you deserve every bit of it.

I know that whilst Kevin, Denis, the ACF and me are copping abuse from the likes of you that we all must be doing the right thing.

**YumYum** · 05-25-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

I also informed him that the Council had agreed to only accept you as an Associate Member.

Why?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

It was noted at a previous council meeting that your membership would only be accepted as an Associate Member.

Why?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

All action taken against you has not been instigated by me, but by others.

Why?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

I have however not objected to that action being taken.

Why?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

I know that whilst Kevin, Denis, the ACF and me are copping abuse from the likes of you that we all must be doing the right thing.

Why?

**Iconoclast** · 05-25-2008, 07:55 PM

My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. All our members were included, which includes me.
YY:Why?
Because It was simple and is necessary for our games to be rated and for our members to play in NSWCA events such as the interclub.

The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me.
YY: Why?
You should ask him, not me.

He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application.
YY: Is he allowed to do that? Why don't you try calling him and see if you can sort out whatever the problem is? Maybe you forgot to pay the fee?
He does whatever he can get away with.
He has NEVER specifically contacted me on ANY issue even when I was on Council.
The fee was paid by cheque from my club.

**MichaelBaron** · 05-25-2008, 08:09 PM

As far as I understand, if someone is not able to join his state association without clear justifiable reasons being provided - it is a case of discrimination

**Iconoclast** · 05-25-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

I see where you are up to your old tricks of half-truths and falsehoods as usual.

No tricks on this side of the fence.

I rang your club president [and] informed him that the Council had agreed to only accept you as an Associate Member.

Post the minutes, the attendee list and the vote. Prove that you (or your chummy chum chum) did not push for the "Associate Membership" so that you personally could succeed in maintaining a effective ban on my "Full Membership" and ability to play in NSWCA events.

I chose to communicate with the party responsible for the forms, your club president.

...... because, you, are, a, coward.

It was noted at a previous council meeting that your membership would only be accepted as an Associate Member.

That decision has not been reviewed with representation of my case.

You are just an abusive individual ...

Only abusive only to you who has stood firmly against me at every turn.

... who continually posted sexually explicit vile comments, foul language and vulgar statements on numerous chess related bulletin boards.

So? That was many years ago. I copped a ban in NSW. I played in a Victorian event and you concocted and expedited a National ban. All bans expired, and now YOU still oppose my playing in NSW events. I have every right to savage you for being a total bastard, a disgusting individual who deserves all the contempt that people, including NSWCA council members have for you.

As for calling me a coward, it is you who does not have the backbone to apologise for your disgraceful behaviour.

There is nothing cowardly about me and every body knows that, so throwing that label at me makes you look plain foolish. As for me apologising for "disgraceful behaviour," yes I certainly would if I agreed that it was indeed disgraceful. Since I do not, I will not.

All action taken against you has not been instigated by me, but by others. I have however not objected to that action being taken.

Birds of a feather.

Your facade of politeness on this board his once again on show for all to see.

I have not said anything here that could be considered "impolite" in the circumstances. This is a frank appraisal of your actions so far. You are a cowardly back-stabber whose loss to NSW chess will be celebrated.

I know that whilst Kevin, Denis, the ACF and me are copping abuse from the likes of you that we all must be doing the right thing.

I have not mentioned KB or DJ here, so do not attempt to muddy the waters by dragging them into it. This thread is about your cowardly back-stabbing in NSW, not their ACF or on-line performances.

**Bill Gletsos** · 05-25-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelBaron

As far as I understand, if someone is not able to join his state association without clear justifiable reasons being provided - it is a case of discrimination

The Council decided back in December 2006 that his membership would only be accepted if he met certain conditions.
He was advised of this at that time.
So far he has failed to meet those conditions.

**Bill Gletsos** · 05-26-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

No tricks on this side of the fence.

Just your usual misinformation.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Post the minutes, the attendee list and the vote. Prove that you (or your chummy chum chum) did not push for the "Associate Membership" so that you personally could succeed in maintaining a effective ban on my "Full Membership" and ability to play in NSWCA events.

It was mentioned that your "Full membership" was still subject to the conditions you were advised of in the letter of December 2006.
Accepting you as an Associate Member was agreed without a formal vote as no one spoke against it

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Only abusive only to you who has stood firmly against me at every turn.

This is untrue.
You have also been abusive to Kevin, Denis and Richard and many others.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

So? That was many years ago. I copped a ban in NSW.

And whilst serving that ban still continued your vile, foul and sexual innuendo on bulletin boards.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

All bans expired, and now YOU still oppose my playing in NSW events.

Placing conditions on your membership was a decision of the Council and not instigated by me.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I have every right to savage you for being a total bastard, a disgusting individual who deserves all the contempt that people, including NSWCA council members have for you.

You can make up whatever you like, but I get on fine with all the Council members.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

There is nothing cowardly about me and every body knows that, so throwing that label at me makes you look plain foolish.

Continue deluding yourself.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

As for me apologising for "disgraceful behaviour," yes I certainly would if I agreed that it was indeed disgraceful. Since I do not, I will not.

Other than you tag team partners on bulletin boards, I have yet to find anyone having been shown what you said, who agrees with you.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I have not said anything here that could be considered "impolite" in the circumstances. This is a frank appraisal of your actions so far. You are a cowardly back-stabber whose loss to NSW chess will be celebrated.

There is nothing frank about it. It is simply the opinion of a foul mouthed abusive individual who hasnt the courage to admit his behaviour was unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I have not mentioned KB or DJ here, so do not attempt to muddy the waters by dragging them into it. This thread is about your cowardly back-stabbing in NSW, not their ACF or on-line performances.

Of course you dont want me mentioning them because doing so highlights your continued abuse of them here and elsewhere.

**Iconoclast** · 05-26-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

And whilst serving that ban still continued your vile, foul and sexual innuendo on bulletin boards.

And you still still drive a phalus enlarging car and are yet to leave home at in your 50's. Are you going to grow up before we throw up.

Placing conditions on your membership was a decision of the Council and not instigated by me.

Coward. You get others to do your dirty work.

You can make up whatever you like, but I get on fine with all the Council members.

You really are oblivious to others. Your social awareness is that of an Aspergic misfit.

... I have yet to find anyone having been shown what you said, who agrees with you.

So? If others find something objectionable, that is their business. I am not telling them to suddenly adopt my confronting standards of humour. But I will not apologise for for what I find funny. And BTW, I have been told that when you read out some of my offerings to the Council, members nearly wet themselves. What a pity the art of blue humour is unappreciated by those it is applied to.

... who hasnt the courage to admit his behaviour was unacceptable.

I understand that some others might see it as "unacceptable." Your problem is that I do accept it, and will not be apologising for it.

Of course you dont want me mentioning them because doing so highlights your continued abuse of them here and elsewhere.

Yep. Then take that complaint to that "elsewhere" and we can deal with it there.

**Just2Good** · 05-27-2008, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

The Council decided back in December 2006 that his membership would only be accepted if he met certain conditions.

And this was done at whose insistence Bill? The rumour is that you threatened to quit council if no conditions were attached, and as that would have meant significant inconvenience to the rest of council they simply acquiesced.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

He was advised of this at that time. So far he has failed to meet those conditions.

And he probably never will. But who do you think has more to answer for? Matt for making insulting remarks on a defunct bulletin board, or yourself for presiding over the most significant economic losses in the history of the NSWCA?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

It was mentioned that your "Full membership" was still subject to the conditions you were advised of in the letter of December 2006.

Mentioned by whom and when?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Accepting you as an Associate Member was agreed without a formal vote as no one spoke against it

That's a start!

It will allow Matt to play again in NSW which is something you said would never happen, so that's some progress.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

You have also been abusive to Kevin, Denis and Richard and many others.

Kevin and Denis have been abusive to Matt as well.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

And whilst serving that ban still continued your vile, foul and sexual innuendo on bulletin boards.

Not on this board he hasn't. Even if he has elsewhere, since when is the NSWCA in the business of denying membership to people based on what they do in their private lives?

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Placing conditions on your membership was a decision of the Council and not instigated by me.

We only have your word to support that, which isn't very credible. You once told Jason Lyons and Peter Parr that you would step down as NSWCA President and allow them to fill those roles on council. This was deceitful and completely dishonest as you neither stepped down nor ever had any intention of doing so.

Furthermore, the rushed ACF nationwide ban which was aimed exclusively at Matt Sweeney was clearly instigated by yourself, so you cannot make any dis-association arguments with clean hands Bill.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

You can make up whatever you like, but I get on fine with all the Council members.

Yes, I am sure Peter Parr loves you.

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Other than you tag team partners on bulletin boards, I have yet to find anyone having been shown what you said, who agrees with you.

Is that why Matt has been allowed Associate Membership in the NSWCA this year? Its likely the rest of the NSWCA do not agree with the hardline stance you have adopted to punish Matt, but because Associate Membership would allow Matt to play again they saw no need to make a stink about it.

05-25-2008, 03:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Coward My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. All our members were included, which includes me. The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted. The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. He does not have the guts to debate me here about his unfitness to hold office. But he does have the guts to knife me in the back again and again because he thinks he is invincible. He is becoming more isolated with every year, and one day, he will be gone leaving nothing but a broken Association and that particularly pungent odour that emanates from a wet kennel. The very worst of luck to you Gletsos, you deserve every bit of it. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

05-25-2008, 05:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Iconoclast My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. All our members were included, which includes me. The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted. The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. He does not have the guts to debate me here about his unfitness to hold office. But he does have the guts to knife me in the back again and again because he thinks he is invincible. He is becoming more isolated with every year, and one day, he will be gone leaving nothing but a broken Association and that particularly pungent odour that emanates from a wet kennel. The very worst of luck to you Gletsos, you deserve every bit of it. The economic strife the NSWCA has been engulfed in over the past few years, while Bill Gletsos has been president and vice president, speak volumes about his unfitness to lead that state chess association. He is the only state chess association president I have ever heard of who has presided over a state chess association that has lost a whopping $11,000 plus dollars in a single financial year! __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

05-25-2008, 06:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
YumYum Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 112	Why? Originally Posted by Iconoclast My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. Why? Originally Posted by Iconoclast The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted. Why? Originally Posted by Iconoclast The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. Why? Originally Posted by Iconoclast He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. Is he allowed to do that? Why don't you try calling him and see if you can sort out whatever the problem is? Maybe you forgot to pay the fee? __________________ Panda is what the world was waiting for!

05-25-2008, 06:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	I see where you are up to your old tricks of half-truths and falsehoods as usual. Originally Posted by Iconoclast My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. Correct. Originally Posted by Iconoclast All our members were included, which includes me. Correct. Originally Posted by Iconoclast The NSWCA President rang my club President, not me, to say that my application would not be accepted. Incorrect. I rang your club president to inform him the Council had received the membership forms and I could therefore go ahead and rate his clubs events. I also informed him that the Council had agreed to only accept you as an Associate Member. Originally Posted by Iconoclast The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. I chose to communicate with the party responsible for the forms, your club president. Originally Posted by Iconoclast He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. Incorrect. It was noted at a previous council meeting that your membership would only be accepted as an Associate Member. Originally Posted by Iconoclast He does not have the guts to debate me here about his unfitness to hold office. You are just an abusive individual who continually posted sexually explicit vile comments, foul language and vulgar statements on numerous chess related bulletin boards. As for calling me a coward, it is you who does not have the backbone to apologise for your disgraceful behaviour. Originally Posted by Iconoclast But he does have the guts to knife me in the back again and again because he thinks he is invincible. All action taken against you has not been instigated by me, but by others. I have however not objected to that action being taken. Originally Posted by Iconoclast He is becoming more isolated with every year, and one day, he will be gone leaving nothing but a broken Association and that particularly pungent odour that emanates from a wet kennel. Your facade of politeness on this board his once again on show for all to see. Originally Posted by Iconoclast The very worst of luck to you Gletsos, you deserve every bit of it. I know that whilst Kevin, Denis, the ACF and me are copping abuse from the likes of you that we all must be doing the right thing.

05-25-2008, 07:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
YumYum Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 112	More Why Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos I also informed him that the Council had agreed to only accept you as an Associate Member. Why? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos It was noted at a previous council meeting that your membership would only be accepted as an Associate Member. Why? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos All action taken against you has not been instigated by me, but by others. Why? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos I have however not objected to that action being taken. Why? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos I know that whilst Kevin, Denis, the ACF and me are copping abuse from the likes of you that we all must be doing the right thing. Why? __________________ Panda is what the world was waiting for!

05-25-2008, 07:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	My chess club President sent a batch of membership applications to the NSWCA. All our members were included, which includes me. YY:Why? Because It was simple and is necessary for our games to be rated and for our members to play in NSWCA events such as the interclub. The NSWCA President did not have the guts to tell me. YY: Why? You should ask him, not me. He did not have the guts to tell the Council that he was unilaterally rejecting the current application. YY: Is he allowed to do that? Why don't you try calling him and see if you can sort out whatever the problem is? Maybe you forgot to pay the fee? He does whatever he can get away with. He has NEVER specifically contacted me on ANY issue even when I was on Council. The fee was paid by cheque from my club. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

05-25-2008, 08:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
MichaelBaron Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 136	Discrimination? As far as I understand, if someone is not able to join his state association without clear justifiable reasons being provided - it is a case of discrimination

05-25-2008, 08:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos I see where you are up to your old tricks of half-truths and falsehoods as usual. No tricks on this side of the fence. I rang your club president [and] informed him that the Council had agreed to only accept you as an Associate Member. Post the minutes, the attendee list and the vote. Prove that you (or your chummy chum chum) did not push for the "Associate Membership" so that you personally could succeed in maintaining a effective ban on my "Full Membership" and ability to play in NSWCA events. I chose to communicate with the party responsible for the forms, your club president. ...... because, you, are, a, coward. It was noted at a previous council meeting that your membership would only be accepted as an Associate Member. That decision has not been reviewed with representation of my case. You are just an abusive individual ... Only abusive only to you who has stood firmly against me at every turn. ... who continually posted sexually explicit vile comments, foul language and vulgar statements on numerous chess related bulletin boards. So? That was many years ago. I copped a ban in NSW. I played in a Victorian event and you concocted and expedited a National ban. All bans expired, and now YOU still oppose my playing in NSW events. I have every right to savage you for being a total bastard, a disgusting individual who deserves all the contempt that people, including NSWCA council members have for you. As for calling me a coward, it is you who does not have the backbone to apologise for your disgraceful behaviour. There is nothing cowardly about me and every body knows that, so throwing that label at me makes you look plain foolish. As for me apologising for "disgraceful behaviour," yes I certainly would if I agreed that it was indeed disgraceful. Since I do not, I will not. All action taken against you has not been instigated by me, but by others. I have however not objected to that action being taken. Birds of a feather. Your facade of politeness on this board his once again on show for all to see. I have not said anything here that could be considered "impolite" in the circumstances. This is a frank appraisal of your actions so far. You are a cowardly back-stabber whose loss to NSW chess will be celebrated. I know that whilst Kevin, Denis, the ACF and me are copping abuse from the likes of you that we all must be doing the right thing. I have not mentioned KB or DJ here, so do not attempt to muddy the waters by dragging them into it. This thread is about your cowardly back-stabbing in NSW, not their ACF or on-line performances. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

05-25-2008, 09:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by MichaelBaron As far as I understand, if someone is not able to join his state association without clear justifiable reasons being provided - it is a case of discrimination The Council decided back in December 2006 that his membership would only be accepted if he met certain conditions. He was advised of this at that time. So far he has failed to meet those conditions.

05-26-2008, 12:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Iconoclast No tricks on this side of the fence. Just your usual misinformation. Originally Posted by Iconoclast Post the minutes, the attendee list and the vote. Prove that you (or your chummy chum chum) did not push for the "Associate Membership" so that you personally could succeed in maintaining a effective ban on my "Full Membership" and ability to play in NSWCA events. It was mentioned that your "Full membership" was still subject to the conditions you were advised of in the letter of December 2006. Accepting you as an Associate Member was agreed without a formal vote as no one spoke against it Originally Posted by Iconoclast Only abusive only to you who has stood firmly against me at every turn. This is untrue. You have also been abusive to Kevin, Denis and Richard and many others. Originally Posted by Iconoclast So? That was many years ago. I copped a ban in NSW. And whilst serving that ban still continued your vile, foul and sexual innuendo on bulletin boards. Originally Posted by Iconoclast All bans expired, and now YOU still oppose my playing in NSW events. Placing conditions on your membership was a decision of the Council and not instigated by me. Originally Posted by Iconoclast I have every right to savage you for being a total bastard, a disgusting individual who deserves all the contempt that people, including NSWCA council members have for you. You can make up whatever you like, but I get on fine with all the Council members. Originally Posted by Iconoclast There is nothing cowardly about me and every body knows that, so throwing that label at me makes you look plain foolish. Continue deluding yourself. Originally Posted by Iconoclast As for me apologising for "disgraceful behaviour," yes I certainly would if I agreed that it was indeed disgraceful. Since I do not, I will not. Other than you tag team partners on bulletin boards, I have yet to find anyone having been shown what you said, who agrees with you. Originally Posted by Iconoclast I have not said anything here that could be considered "impolite" in the circumstances. This is a frank appraisal of your actions so far. You are a cowardly back-stabber whose loss to NSW chess will be celebrated. There is nothing frank about it. It is simply the opinion of a foul mouthed abusive individual who hasnt the courage to admit his behaviour was unacceptable. Originally Posted by Iconoclast I have not mentioned KB or DJ here, so do not attempt to muddy the waters by dragging them into it. This thread is about your cowardly back-stabbing in NSW, not their ACF or on-line performances. Of course you dont want me mentioning them because doing so highlights your continued abuse of them here and elsewhere.

05-26-2008, 03:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos And whilst serving that ban still continued your vile, foul and sexual innuendo on bulletin boards. And you still still drive a phalus enlarging car and are yet to leave home at in your 50's. Are you going to grow up before we throw up. Placing conditions on your membership was a decision of the Council and not instigated by me. Coward. You get others to do your dirty work. You can make up whatever you like, but I get on fine with all the Council members. You really are oblivious to others. Your social awareness is that of an Aspergic misfit. ... I have yet to find anyone having been shown what you said, who agrees with you. So? If others find something objectionable, that is their business. I am not telling them to suddenly adopt my confronting standards of humour. But I will not apologise for for what I find funny. And BTW, I have been told that when you read out some of my offerings to the Council, members nearly wet themselves. What a pity the art of blue humour is unappreciated by those it is applied to. ... who hasnt the courage to admit his behaviour was unacceptable. I understand that some others might see it as "unacceptable." Your problem is that I do accept it, and will not be apologising for it. Of course you dont want me mentioning them because doing so highlights your continued abuse of them here and elsewhere. Yep. Then take that complaint to that "elsewhere" and we can deal with it there. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals. Last edited by Just2Good : 05-27-2008 at 09:55 AM Reason: Fixed Quote Tags

05-27-2008, 10:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Bill Gletsos' Vendetta Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos The Council decided back in December 2006 that his membership would only be accepted if he met certain conditions. And this was done at whose insistence Bill? The rumour is that you threatened to quit council if no conditions were attached, and as that would have meant significant inconvenience to the rest of council they simply acquiesced. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos He was advised of this at that time. So far he has failed to meet those conditions. And he probably never will. But who do you think has more to answer for? Matt for making insulting remarks on a defunct bulletin board, or yourself for presiding over the most significant economic losses in the history of the NSWCA? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos It was mentioned that your "Full membership" was still subject to the conditions you were advised of in the letter of December 2006. Mentioned by whom and when? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Accepting you as an Associate Member was agreed without a formal vote as no one spoke against it That's a start! It will allow Matt to play again in NSW which is something you said would never happen, so that's some progress. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos You have also been abusive to Kevin, Denis and Richard and many others. Kevin and Denis have been abusive to Matt as well. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos And whilst serving that ban still continued your vile, foul and sexual innuendo on bulletin boards. Not on this board he hasn't. Even if he has elsewhere, since when is the NSWCA in the business of denying membership to people based on what they do in their private lives? Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Placing conditions on your membership was a decision of the Council and not instigated by me. We only have your word to support that, which isn't very credible. You once told Jason Lyons and Peter Parr that you would step down as NSWCA President and allow them to fill those roles on council. This was deceitful and completely dishonest as you neither stepped down nor ever had any intention of doing so. Furthermore, the rushed ACF nationwide ban which was aimed exclusively at Matt Sweeney was clearly instigated by yourself, so you cannot make any dis-association arguments with clean hands Bill. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos You can make up whatever you like, but I get on fine with all the Council members. Yes, I am sure Peter Parr loves you. Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Other than you tag team partners on bulletin boards, I have yet to find anyone having been shown what you said, who agrees with you. Is that why Matt has been allowed Associate Membership in the NSWCA this year? Its likely the rest of the NSWCA do not agree with the hardline stance you have adopted to punish Matt, but because Associate Membership would allow Matt to play again they saw no need to make a stink about it. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

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