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Originally Posted by Brian Jones
Congratulations Peter. A safe pair of hands was just what the NSWCA needed.
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Originally Posted by Barry
The word you are looking for is 'congratulations' Barry (instead of humbugging Peter's fine achievement).
Clearly the NSWCA delegates thought it was time for change, and I trust that a majority of NSWCA Members concur with that sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Just2Good
Peter may be President, but I am Vice President and the remaining Council members with the exception of Lou Damaschino were all Council members already.
Originally Posted by Just2Good
NSW has individual members not delegates.
I was unaware until the day before the AGM that Peter was intending to run and made no attempt to stack the meeting. Parr apparently emailed people prior to the AGM asking them to turn up and vote for him yet even after signing up 5 mates on the day his effort only got him 17 votes. |
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
Perhaps not this year, however, I remember a few years ago when you swindled Peter out of the position by telling him you wouldn't run for it again, and then on the day of the AGM you changed your mind and used a technicality in the membership rules to preclude Peter and Lyons from even running for the positions.
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
You are a real piece of work. After your dirty politics to stuff Jason Lyons, you should just take it on the chin. Now go lick your wounds. Woof.
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Originally Posted by Just2Good
I never told Peter I would not run.
I told Lyons that if he was elected President and Parr Vice President I was happy to be Ratings Officer. If they interpreted that as I wasnt going to stand then that was their problem. Peter intended to run for Vice President and as a life member of the NSWCA and as such was not precluded from running for any position at the meeting. At the time the meeting started Lyons was not a member of the NSWCA and as such could not stand for any position. The NSW Dept of Fair Trading confirmed that this was the correct and proper procedure. |
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
According to Peter Cassettari, Lyons had never been a member of the NSWCA in all the time Cassettari had been Registrar and that goes back to around 1992. In fact Lyons was not even a member when Parr was President in 1993-1995.
The only thing that stopped Lyons being able to stand for a position at the AGM was Lyons own ineptness in not joining the NSWCA prior to the start of the AGM. |
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Well, it seemed a bit sus - is all I am saying.
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
Name one other person who will back you on your version of that fact. They did not misinterpret what you said at all. The truth is you told them you would do one thing and then did another.
Ah, but you knew that Lyons had forgotten to sign a membership form before 10:00 am and you deliberately did not remind him. That is why at 10:01 am you said "[That's it, Jason can't run. Let's start the meeting.]" A dog act if ever there was one.
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
I dont expect Parr or his employees/mates to contradict him.
The fact is I said what I said in a private conversation with Lyons at a coffee shop just up from Parr's shop. Neither Lyons or Parr asked me if I was standing once I went back with Lyons to Parr's shop.
Originally Posted by Iconoclast
I never told them I would not run, they just assumed it.
As you were not there you have no knowledge of it other than hearsay.
Originally Posted by Iconoclast
Again you have your so called facts wrong.
Your time of 10am is totally irrelevant. The AGM was at 2.30pm and Lyons did not turn up until around 2pm. As for reminding Lyons to submit a membership form, it wasnt my responsibility to hold his hand. Peter wanted Lyons to be his puppet President whilst he would be the Vice President so it was Parr's responsability to ensure his Lyons joined in time.
Originally Posted by Iconoclast
This is totally untrue.
I was ourside the meeting room before it started at 2.30pm with Parr. Peter Cassettari came out to get me to start the meeting so I entered the room at 2.33pm and declared the meeting open. Parr interrupted me and made some comments. I checked with Norm Greenwood & Peter Cassettari if Lyons was a member and they informed me he was not and I told Parr that as the meeting had started it was too late for Lyons to join. |
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Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
Since you knew that JL was not yet signed and was going to run, you had the ethical responsibility as the NSWCA President to ensure that members at the AGM received the choice that they believed they would be given. You chose the the ignoble road, the shabby course, the way of a political miscreant.
And you had the hide to pretend to not have known that JL was yet not signed, and therefore had to ask NG and PC. It is beyond the pale. Why would you even ask such a question if the prospect was not already in your head. Despicable. .
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
If Lyons was so incompetent he could not even manage to join the NSWCA in a timely manner, it wasnt my responsibilty to help him out.
Originally Posted by Iconoclast
I was aware that Lyons was not a member prior to the day of the meeting as was all others members of the NSWCA Council. I hadnt been keeping tabs on Lyons when he arrived at the venue so had no idea if he had joined or not. However once the meeting started I checked his status with those that would know.
After all we would have been in breach of the constitution if we had allowed Lyons to run for President when he was not a member or allowed him to join once the meeting started. |
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Originally Posted by Iconoclast
This is consistent with what Peter Parr, the NSWCA President, has told me previously.
Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
I agree.
Originally Posted by Iconoclast
Good question!
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Originally Posted by Peter Parr
Continued next post.
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Originally Posted by Peter Parr
Continuation.
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Well, I must say that that was the best letter I have ever read from a senior chess administrator. Why? It was honest.
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