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**antichrist** · 07-31-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

We are not changing our minds. We run a different ship than the one your masters on the dark side of the moon run. Here we are tolerant, civil with one another, and not focussed on power for the sake of holding power.

Hopefully over time you will realize this, and see the value in our approach.

Yeah all very good you may think but my mate Lloyd, even if I had defamed him could not sue anyone, coz he is like one of John Cleese's parrots - whereas, lo and behold, the guys who you may very well be defaming are still breathing and defecating

**Iconoclast** · 07-31-2010, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Yeah all very good you may think but my mate Lloyd, even if I had defamed him could not sue anyone, coz he is like one of John Cleese's parrots - whereas, lo and behold, the guys who you may very well be defaming are still breathing and defecating

Just settle down. It is usual not to speak badly of the departed until a reasonable time has elapsed. It was too soon. It is just a social norm.

**Ehm TO** · 08-01-2010, 07:04 AM

Thug and bully? Wow. It is amazing how emotional people are. Let people talk shit about you and rise up. Actions always speak louder than words do. People are just too stubborn to let that get in their head. Let people call you what they want. What happens when you have to talk bad about someone else? Throw dirt from beneath your feet.

**Ehm TO** · 12-15-2010, 05:44 AM

Another thing that I would like to point out in this thread, most forums are not controlled by tyrants who wield power like a Dictator. My forum for example has a strict set of rules, do my Moderators and I enforce them? Rarely, unless it is a serious violation we just let forum life run its' course.

**Iconoclast** · 12-15-2010, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by jdsingle

My forum for example has a strict set of rules, do my Moderators and I enforce them? Rarely, unless it is a serious violation we just let forum life run its' course.

That is called wisdom.

**Axiom** · 12-15-2010, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

That is called wisdom.

Axiomatically eternal

**antichrist** · 12-15-2010, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by jdsingle

Another thing that I would like to point out in this thread, most forums are not controlled by tyrants who wield power like a Dictator. My forum for example has a strict set of rules, do my Moderators and I enforce them? Rarely, unless it is a serious violation we just let forum life run its' course.

Surely you could do with a team of control freaks - everyone deserves a break sometime - a change is as good as a holiday

**Ehm TO** · 12-16-2010, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

That is called wisdom.

Thanks

Originally Posted by antichrist

Surely you could do with a team of control freaks - everyone deserves a break sometime - a change is as good as a holiday

Not on my forum. Over the years I have learned that it isn't the number of posters that makes a forum. But the unique bond a select group of members create that makes forum life fun and addicting. I'm no better than my fellow forum members. Just because I own the site and have administrative privileges doesn't give me the right to be a dick and try and dictate how things are. Without them, it's just me.

**Just2Good** · 12-17-2010, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by jdsingle

Over the years I have learned that it isn't the number of posters that makes a forum. But the unique bond a select group of members create that makes forum life fun and addicting.

Exactly right!

Chess Chat used to have this actually, before the bots scared everyone away and started arbitrary bannings. In its hey day, with posters like Elevator Escapee and others, it was a vibrant place of thoughts, ideas, exchanges, and of course - chess.

Our current core of posters on this forum are pretty damn awesome as well! Hopefully we can build on that and continue to grow as a community, while still keeping the 'riff raff' disruptive element (posters) at bay.

**Just2Good** · 01-28-2011, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Garvin

I am starting to find that this site is regularly slow, or has difficulty starting up. This has been an ongoing issue for a few days now.

That's because technically, its a very outdated site Garvin. It could be up to date with the latest version of vBulletin, but no one there wants to improve the place. Hence, lousy site performance.

Originally Posted by Rincewind

We have brought it to the attention of the site owner a day or two ago when there was a noticeable glitch with the shoutbox. I suspect a disk space problem possibly on a file system used by the database but as far as I know there hasn't been a resolution as yet. Since that time I've found response times to be variable. At times very good but at other times quite poor.

One hundred posts a day (on average) should not lead to a disk space issue, in fact 100 posts per day is very low. Most vBulletin forums average at least 500. I suspect your site speed is slow because of hosting issues. Also, you should limit the number of spiders that crawl your site, as they can also reduce speed.

**Just2Good** · 01-30-2011, 03:41 PM

Kevin's rebuttal to my post above is as follows:

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well that place has been very quiet lately so you'd think there would be nothing there to clog it up.

But actually you're wrong about the Toolbox being fast. It's actually very inconsistent in terms of speed; the threads with game viewers on them often take a ridiculously long time to load, if they even load correctly at all.

Alexa.com's speed ratings:

Chesschat:"Very Fast (0.493 Seconds), 94% of sites are slower."
Toolbox: "Very Slow (16.266 Seconds), 100% of sites are faster."

As usual, Kevin is working off of flawed or faulty data. Clearly OzChess is not slower than 100% of all the sites on the internet, and clearly it does not take 16.2 seconds to load any OzChess page. In fact our speed very comparable to CC's speed, maybe slightly exceeding their's. Perhaps internet connections in Tasmania are still dial up or otherwise substandard, thus leading to Kevin's flawed data.

While the pgn viewer may slow down OzChess page loading times slightly, this occurs on CC as well when you click the load button on their pgn viewer - you still have to wait to see the game.

**Just2Good** · 01-30-2011, 03:54 PM

I just did a speed test for both OzChess and CC on this website:

Website Goodies - Website Speed Test

Results:

URL: www .chesschat.org
Load Time: 2.5723 seconds
Page Size: 53.43 kb

URL: http://www.ozchess.com.au
Load Time: 2.4133 seconds
Page Size: 103.68 kb

So, as we can see, OzChess is officially one tenth of a second FASTER than CC.

**MOZ** · 01-30-2011, 05:15 PM

Thanks for this ^ J2G.

I tried it on our web-site for the Club.

URL: http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/
Load Time: 1.4801 seconds
Page Size: 13.69 kb

**Iconoclast** · 01-30-2011, 05:54 PM

First, Kevin Bonham ACF VPres and ACF forum moderator says about an Australian player and poster

AC read what i said carefully, if you are able to - i am saying he [axiom] should not expect forum mods to help him with his issues

Then second, Kevin Bonham ACF VPres and ACF forum moderator has time on his hands to enter a pissing competition with

Alexa.com's speed ratings:

This tells all of us where his priorities lie. He does not care about people. That makes him a sociopath with combative tendencies. No wonder his chess club is in the local ICU.

**Admin** · 01-30-2011, 09:51 PM

Important shout.

Originally Posted by antichrist Today 05:24 PM

: i can acess this site a lot quicker yet KB reakons that cc is faster, i dunno, but late at nite CC is extremely slow whereas this site is terrific

07-31-2010, 04:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good We are not changing our minds. We run a different ship than the one your masters on the dark side of the moon run. Here we are tolerant, civil with one another, and not focussed on power for the sake of holding power. Hopefully over time you will realize this, and see the value in our approach. Yeah all very good you may think but my mate Lloyd, even if I had defamed him could not sue anyone, coz he is like one of John Cleese's parrots - whereas, lo and behold, the guys who you may very well be defaming are still breathing and defecating

07-31-2010, 07:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by antichrist Yeah all very good you may think but my mate Lloyd, even if I had defamed him could not sue anyone, coz he is like one of John Cleese's parrots - whereas, lo and behold, the guys who you may very well be defaming are still breathing and defecating Just settle down. It is usual not to speak badly of the departed until a reasonable time has elapsed. It was too soon. It is just a social norm. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-01-2010, 07:04 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	Thug and bully? Wow. It is amazing how emotional people are. Let people talk shit about you and rise up. Actions always speak louder than words do. People are just too stubborn to let that get in their head. Let people call you what they want. What happens when you have to talk bad about someone else? Throw dirt from beneath your feet. __________________ Camel - Welcome to flavour country!

12-15-2010, 05:44 AM	#19 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	Another thing that I would like to point out in this thread, most forums are not controlled by tyrants who wield power like a Dictator. My forum for example has a strict set of rules, do my Moderators and I enforce them? Rarely, unless it is a serious violation we just let forum life run its' course. __________________ Camel - Welcome to flavour country!

12-15-2010, 08:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by jdsingle My forum for example has a strict set of rules, do my Moderators and I enforce them? Rarely, unless it is a serious violation we just let forum life run its' course. That is called wisdom. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

12-15-2010, 08:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Iconoclast That is called wisdom. Axiomatically eternal __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

12-15-2010, 10:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by jdsingle Another thing that I would like to point out in this thread, most forums are not controlled by tyrants who wield power like a Dictator. My forum for example has a strict set of rules, do my Moderators and I enforce them? Rarely, unless it is a serious violation we just let forum life run its' course. Surely you could do with a team of control freaks - everyone deserves a break sometime - a change is as good as a holiday

12-16-2010, 03:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	Originally Posted by Iconoclast That is called wisdom. Thanks Originally Posted by antichrist Surely you could do with a team of control freaks - everyone deserves a break sometime - a change is as good as a holiday Not on my forum. Over the years I have learned that it isn't the number of posters that makes a forum. But the unique bond a select group of members create that makes forum life fun and addicting. I'm no better than my fellow forum members. Just because I own the site and have administrative privileges doesn't give me the right to be a dick and try and dictate how things are. Without them, it's just me. __________________ Camel - Welcome to flavour country!

12-17-2010, 08:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Our Community is Terrific! Originally Posted by jdsingle Over the years I have learned that it isn't the number of posters that makes a forum. But the unique bond a select group of members create that makes forum life fun and addicting. Exactly right! Chess Chat used to have this actually, before the bots scared everyone away and started arbitrary bannings. In its hey day, with posters like Elevator Escapee and others, it was a vibrant place of thoughts, ideas, exchanges, and of course - chess. Our current core of posters on this forum are pretty damn awesome as well! Hopefully we can build on that and continue to grow as a community, while still keeping the 'riff raff' disruptive element (posters) at bay. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-28-2011, 08:10 PM	#25 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Chess Chat's Slowness Causing Member Discontent Originally Posted by Garvin I am starting to find that this site is regularly slow, or has difficulty starting up. This has been an ongoing issue for a few days now. That's because technically, its a very outdated site Garvin. It could be up to date with the latest version of vBulletin, but no one there wants to improve the place. Hence, lousy site performance. Originally Posted by Rincewind We have brought it to the attention of the site owner a day or two ago when there was a noticeable glitch with the shoutbox. I suspect a disk space problem possibly on a file system used by the database but as far as I know there hasn't been a resolution as yet. Since that time I've found response times to be variable. At times very good but at other times quite poor. One hundred posts a day (on average) should not lead to a disk space issue, in fact 100 posts per day is very low. Most vBulletin forums average at least 500. I suspect your site speed is slow because of hosting issues. Also, you should limit the number of spiders that crawl your site, as they can also reduce speed. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-30-2011, 03:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Further Hogwash by Kevin Kevin's rebuttal to my post above is as follows: Originally Posted by Kevin Well that place has been very quiet lately so you'd think there would be nothing there to clog it up. But actually you're wrong about the Toolbox being fast. It's actually very inconsistent in terms of speed; the threads with game viewers on them often take a ridiculously long time to load, if they even load correctly at all. Alexa.com's speed ratings: Chesschat:"Very Fast (0.493 Seconds), 94% of sites are slower." Toolbox: "Very Slow (16.266 Seconds), 100% of sites are faster." As usual, Kevin is working off of flawed or faulty data. Clearly OzChess is not slower than 100% of all the sites on the internet, and clearly it does not take 16.2 seconds to load any OzChess page. In fact our speed very comparable to CC's speed, maybe slightly exceeding their's. Perhaps internet connections in Tasmania are still dial up or otherwise substandard, thus leading to Kevin's flawed data. While the pgn viewer may slow down OzChess page loading times slightly, this occurs on CC as well when you click the load button on their pgn viewer - you still have to wait to see the game. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-30-2011, 03:54 PM	#27 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Internet Speeds I just did a speed test for both OzChess and CC on this website: Website Goodies - Website Speed Test Results: URL: www .chesschat.org Load Time: 2.5723 seconds Page Size: 53.43 kb URL: http://www.ozchess.com.au Load Time: 2.4133 seconds Page Size: 103.68 kb So, as we can see, OzChess is officially one tenth of a second FASTER than CC. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-30-2011, 05:15 PM	#28 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Thanks for this ^ J2G. I tried it on our web-site for the Club. URL: http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/ Load Time: 1.4801 seconds Page Size: 13.69 kb __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

01-30-2011, 05:54 PM	#29 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	First, Kevin Bonham ACF VPres and ACF forum moderator says about an Australian player and poster AC read what i said carefully, if you are able to - i am saying he [axiom] should not expect forum mods to help him with his issues Then second, Kevin Bonham ACF VPres and ACF forum moderator has time on his hands to enter a pissing competition with Alexa.com's speed ratings: This tells all of us where his priorities lie. He does not care about people. That makes him a sociopath with combative tendencies. No wonder his chess club is in the local ICU. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

01-30-2011, 09:51 PM	#30 (permalink)
Admin Administrator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 34	Important shout. Originally Posted by antichrist Today 05:24 PM : i can acess this site a lot quicker yet KB reakons that cc is faster, i dunno, but late at nite CC is extremely slow whereas this site is terrific

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