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02-22-2008, 05:17 PM
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Rating Systems
If you want to debate this any further, you can do it here. We accept all types at OzChess – even the most cuckholdable. I will say one thing for Bill Gletsos though, while he had no success here in bringing OzChess down to his Chess Chat level of abuse, at least he had the courage to try. You on the other hand are a proven coward, proven bully who cannot stand to lose and will use any moderation weapon to avoid a spanking.
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02-22-2008, 09:34 PM
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I was looking for some Noam Chomsky clips and came across this:
In particular, is the way the ACF runs its rating system, and its event bidding system, described well here? 
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02-22-2008, 10:35 PM
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In terms of the ELO vs the GLICKO system, FICS uses GLICKO and ICC uses ELO. My rating is higher on ICC than on FICS, but does this mean that generally GLICKO leads to lower ratings for same strength players?
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02-23-2008, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures
Nice question!
Most things we measure, we measure in units - kg cm kWh et cetera. Furthermore, units can be compared. For example, km, miles, light years et cetera can be converted to each other. It is the similar in chess ratings. Elo, Glicko, NSWJCL, ICC can all be compared if you know the conversion method. Note: The actual numbers in all chess ratings, are unitless. That is, they do not relate to the absolute measures of time distance and mass. Chess ratings are only relative. For example, the following sets of three unitless numbers all carry the same information. 80 100 220 8 10 22 (divided by 10) 1008 1010 1022 (divided by 10 and plus 1000) In chess ratings, the actual number also carries information that tells us something about the probability of a result. For example. The gap between two ratings is a measure of the probability that one player will beat the other. From your own experience you will know that a 1200 might beat a 2000, one time in a hundred, but a 1200 might beat a 1600 one time in ten. There are further complications - skew, dynamics, inflation, et cetera - but I will answer those questions only if asked. Hope this helps. 
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02-23-2008, 11:00 AM
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Yes Shaun, Glicko has some nifty tricks:
However, that does not make Glicko "good," though, certainly it is one major improvement over the Elo system. As we know, the Glicko "?? ? ! !!" system for calculating a rating is vastly superior to the Elo, which doe not use/generate a reliability of each rating, and therefore is not a variable in its algorithm. The two main problems most players have are: 1. The SECRECY behind determining the weight given to recent results as opposed to the greater history of games. (We both know that the balance has been determined by curve fitting. However, that process has never been vetted.) 2. The SECRECY behind the enigmatic volatility factor that is applied to Glicko by the ACF ratings officer. This is an unacceptable state of affairs. It lends ammunition to those who claim Bill Gletsos is fudging the figures. It follows that, the answer from the ACF to most complaints, is always and only, "The computer says so." It has long been my theory, that Bill Gletsos, for all his mental RAM and MHz, he is a stand alone unit devoid of software - utterly. Back to ratings >>> One important capability of a predictive model, is that it predicts. That is, it generates NOT what is the position NOW, but what it will be in the FUTURE. Currently, there is no rating system (AFAIK - except for mine) that is a predictive model and accounts for dynamic elements. Ask me why "dynamic elements" are.
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02-14-2009, 06:01 PM
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Oh no! And now here too.
The GURU sends out some pretty impressive promotional newsletters on occasions, and his knight_times_2009_02.pdf is good example of the glossy.
He is usually to be congratulated for presenting the high end of publicity in my view. However this para. from the most recent newsletter is certainly foreign to the health of the state and national chess associations. Chess Kids will be introducing a rating system for junior players in 2009. Every player who plays in a tournament will have their own chess rating. After playing your first tournament you will be given a rating based on your performance. Close readers of Ozchess will know that I have campaigned long against the fragmentary practice in NSW where a junior rating system is maintained outside the the official national system managed so accurately by Bill Gletsos. In my view we can't afford the splitting of volunteer efforts that comes from running multiple rating systems. Further, multiple systems in the one state causes confusion in the parent community and this does not help our image. Well, as the coloured quote above shows, the fragmentation is about to occur in Victoria too. And I guess this will be a third variant to the ACF system. What a waste of energy in chess administration. It is not as though we are over-endowed with volunteers.  MOZ*
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03-02-2009, 10:50 AM
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Box Hill CC members <active and 09 financial>. March ratings
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Anderson Bill 575 Ang Stephanie 1165 Bergmanis Olgerts 1600 Brennan James 681 Brooks Chris 1738 Cameron James 1709 Cannon David 393 Cannon Jim 1207 Cheng Bobby 2133 Chmiel Rad 1728 Chow Samuel 2348 Cook Geoff L 1542 Creedon David 1141 Croft Roger 1490 Dalton Laurie 1339 Elbrish Sam 1291 Fan Jenny 963 Feng Tim 1270 Feng Thomas 1472 Fielder Shaun 1070 Flude David A 1644 Frost Peter 1548 Gurevich A 1233 Hartland Gerry 1409 Johansen D 2412 Kempen Leon 1917 Lai Gene 1537 Lacey David 1756 Lawson Shane 1631 Lemmel Oliver 1022 Liston Howard 1805 Liu N 1536 Lyons Linden 1132 Matheson L 1926 Mezei Andrew 1099 Mustafa Metin 1227 Neymanis Eric 1099 Podvorac Zeljko 1606 Raine Marcus 1881 Renzies Elliott 1405 Rozenblat Vanja 1435 Sandler Leonid [IM] 2188 Sannidhanam Anurag 1551 Saw Geoffrey [FM] 2249 Schneider David 1703 Schon Eugene 2094 Schulzer Peter 1656 Sharman Scot A 1681 Stanning Trevor 1489 Szuveges N 1684 Tan Justin 1805 Tang Jason 1808 Tanner Michael 1044 Tionko Efrain 1801 Umber George 1463 Vijayakumar Rengan 1721 Vijayakumar Rukman 2048 Wallis Christopher 2124 Yu Derek 1838 Yu Sally 1661 Zivkovic Sam 1400
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09-01-2009, 10:51 AM
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Official ratings for Sept 2009 now released.
Excellent work by the State and national folk to issue Sept ratings...full detail presumably flows in a day or so through the channels.
Picking from the highlights....Busiest Players caught my eye in particulr. Code:
Busiest Players 1800 62 ACT Guo, Emma 1858 58 VIC Voon, Richard 1898 56 VIC Dizdarevic, Mehmedalija 2163 54 VIC Cheng, Bobby 2160 51 VIC Morris, James 1825 51 SA Searle, Zachary 1730 50 QLD Stahnke, Alexander 2118 49 VIC Dragicevic, Domagoj 2011 44 VIC Matheson, Laurence 1900 44 QLD Grigg, Sam 1904 44 SA Juszczynski, Mathew 1716 42 VIC Yu, Sally 1281 42 VIC Lakshman, Vinay 1721 40 NSW Encel, Benjamin 1250 39 VIC Loh, Zachary 1468 39 VIC Sannidhanam, Anurag 1327 39 VIC Hayman, Adam 1409 38 ACT Derwent, Ethan 1996 38 VIC Tang, Jason 1538 38 VIC Lai, Gene 1290 37 ACT Ingham, Glenn 1515 37 NSW Parker, Trent 1724 37 VIC Chmiel, Rad 2535 37 ACT Smerdon, David C 1924 37 WA Vlietstra, Marc 1974 36 ACT Brown, Andrew 1353 36 VIC Renzies, Elliott 495 36 VIC Gu, Stephanie 1804 35 VIC Davis, Tony J 2034 35 QLD Nakauchi, Gene 1639 34 NSW Tan, Kevin 1497 34 VIC Kostrzewa, Jake 1835 34 QLD Liu, Yi (1997) 1563 34 VIC Ghayoori, Pezhman 2370 34 QLD Solomon, Stephen J 1475 34 QLD Lapitan, Daniel 2171 33 VIC Schon, Eugene 1347 32 ACT Setiabudi, Megan 1786 32 VIC Lycett, Garry 1706 32 VIC Liu, Nicholas 810 32 VIC Narenthran, Savithri 1013 32 VIC Devarajh, Joshua 541 32 VIC Cannon, David 1292 32 QLD Jack, Martin 1148 32 QLD Sands, Gary A Standards make sense. Reject imitators. MOZ*
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09-01-2009, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MOZ
Queensland and Victoria make up the majority. Really that means Graeme Gardiner and David Cordover deserve the credit for generating most of the chess activity, whilst the ACF sits back and takes them for granted.
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09-01-2009, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Arrogant-One
On the contrary, the Chess Kids organisation does not use the official system for rating purposes.
The members of the Busiest List are all members of Affiliated Clubs, these players and Clubs are not outside the main-stream chess community. I am sure the ACF appreciates everyone of these Mexicans > Code:
Busiest Players 1800 62 ACT Guo, Emma 1858 58 VIC Voon, Richard 1898 56 VIC Dizdarevic, Mehmedalija 2163 54 VIC Cheng, Bobby 2160 51 VIC Morris, James 1825 51 SA Searle, Zachary 1730 50 QLD Stahnke, Alexander 2118 49 VIC Dragicevic, Domagoj 2011 44 VIC Matheson, Laurence 1900 44 QLD Grigg, Sam 1904 44 SA Juszczynski, Mathew 1716 42 VIC Yu, Sally 1281 42 VIC Lakshman, Vinay 1721 40 NSW Encel, Benjamin 1250 39 VIC Loh, Zachary 1468 39 VIC Sannidhanam, Anurag 1327 39 VIC Hayman, Adam 1409 38 ACT Derwent, Ethan 1996 38 VIC Tang, Jason 1538 38 VIC Lai, Gene 1290 37 ACT Ingham, Glenn 1515 37 NSW Parker, Trent 1724 37 VIC Chmiel, Rad 2535 37 ACT Smerdon, David C 1924 37 WA Vlietstra, Marc 1974 36 ACT Brown, Andrew 1353 36 VIC Renzies, Elliott 495 36 VIC Gu, Stephanie 1804 35 VIC Davis, Tony J 2034 35 QLD Nakauchi, Gene 1639 34 NSW Tan, Kevin 1497 34 VIC Kostrzewa, Jake 1835 34 QLD Liu, Yi (1997) 1563 34 VIC Ghayoori, Pezhman 2370 34 QLD Solomon, Stephen J 1475 34 QLD Lapitan, Daniel 2171 33 VIC Schon, Eugene 1347 32 ACT Setiabudi, Megan 1786 32 VIC Lycett, Garry 1706 32 VIC Liu, Nicholas 810 32 VIC Narenthran, Savithri 1013 32 VIC Devarajh, Joshua 541 32 VIC Cannon, David 1292 32 QLD Jack, Martin 1148 32 QLD Sands, Gary A
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09-01-2009, 05:44 PM
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Go Victoria!
Out of 58 names in the top age group lists, a third comes from Victoria! Go VIC
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State Name ACT Brown, Andrew Derwent, Ethan Guo, Emma Ikeda, Junta Yuan, Yi ACT Proportion of Total 9% NSW Chen, Peng Yu Gu, Sean Illingworth, Max Koh, Cedric Lau, Joshua Mandla, Blair Pan, Andrew Papantoniou, John Ruan, Harry Ruan, Jack Siow-Lee, Dylan Smirnov, Anton Wang, Oscar NSW Proportion of Total 22% QLD Gray, Callum Grigg, Sam Lapitan, Daniel Lazarus, Benjamin Liu, Yi (1997) Ly, Moulthun McClymont, Brodie Muller, Jonas Nakauchi, Gene [FM] Ousmand, Nizami Ousmand, Vineths Stahnke, Alexander QLD Proportion of Total 21% SA Bortsova, Natasha Cameron, Alistair Searle, Zachary Zulfic, Fedja SA Proportion of Total 7% TAS Carter, Mason Dyer, Alastair TAS Proportion of Total 3% VIC Chan, Michael Cheng, Bobby Dalton, Samuel Ding, Yilun Kiripitige, Punala Liu, Nicholas Loh, Zachary Matheson, Laurence Morris, James [FM] Ng, Isaac Sannidhanam, Anurag Schon, Eugene Stojic, Dusan Tan, Justin Tang, Jason Wallis, Christopher Wallmueller, Peter Wong, Joseph Yu, Alec VIC Proportion of Total 33% WA Choong, Yita Donaldson, Thomas Sam, Ryan WA Proportion of Total 5% |
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Originally Posted by Z&MLoh
If we look at the top juniors, Victoria has 5 out of top 10, 9 out of top 20. About 50%. The future of Australian chess is in Victorian's hands!
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09-01-2009, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by frankablanca
Strange?
I thought the future was IM: Ly Moulthun 
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