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**MOZ** · 06-26-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ninja

So how does the list look when you add in the Zonal results ?

It will turn the list on its head.

**Ninja** · 06-26-2009, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

It will turn the list on its head.

So the question becomes "Does the Vic Juniors present enough of a challenge to bring out the best in James ?"

**MOZ** · 06-27-2009, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ninja

So the question becomes "Does the Vic Juniors present enough of a challenge to bring out the best in James ?"

The list itself is the medium of the challenge.

**Just2Good** · 06-27-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by MikesGuns

James Morris 18th and a IM doesnt make sense

I agree, his rating seems too low to justify the award of an IM title. And if you look at his game against David Smerdon, the Smurf roughed him up pretty badly.

**MOZ** · 06-28-2009, 12:10 AM

L Matheson 1 1826 7
Bobby Cheng 2 2133 1

Justin Tan 3
Sam Dalton 3 1925 5
Jason Tang 3 1808 8
Rhys Hopkins 4 1693 13
Nicholas Liu 4 1536 19
Sally Yu 4 1661 14
Thomas Feng 5 1472 21
Michael Chan 5
Isaac Ng 5
A Sannidhanam
Vinay Lakshman
Derek Yu
Joshua Ng
Ren Vijayakumar
James Cameron
Luthien Russell
Gene Lai
Vanja Rozenblat
Samuel Chan
Andrew Gurevich
Cedic Antolis
James Morris
Eugene Schon

**Lekko** · 06-28-2009, 12:14 AM

Are those the top rated juniors Moz?

**MOZ** · 06-28-2009, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

Are those the top rated juniors Moz?

It is the Bookies market for winning the u18 title.

**Lekko** · 06-28-2009, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by MOZ

It is the Bookies market for winning the u18 title.

Some of those players aren't entered though. Or has the list not been updated yet?

**MOZ** · 06-28-2009, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

Some of those players aren't entered though. Or has the list not been updated yet?

Let me be frank with U HBK.
It is not unknown for Bookies to list runners with no or little chance.

(\wink)

**Lekko** · 06-28-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Let me be frank with U HBK.
It is not unknown for Bookies to list runners with no or little chance. (\wink)

Oh of course haha.

Nice use of my name too (\wink)

**Just2Good** · 06-28-2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

It is not unknown for Bookies to list runners with no or little chance.

Really?

**flavid dude** · 06-28-2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I agree, his rating seems too low to justify the award of an IM title. And if you look at his game against David Smerdon, the Smurf roughed him up pretty badly.

Rubbish, The Smurf did not rough him up. Read the annotations by Ian Rogers.
James was at least equal most of the way.

Take a look at the list of opponents. It is an impressive list. He played the tournament at IM standard and look at his performance rating. Two years ago people were saying James did not deserve an FM title. They were wrong.

Good on him and good on Bobby Cheng on his FM title.

**Just2Good** · 06-28-2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by elvis

Rubbish, The Smurf did not rough him up. Read the annotations by Ian Rogers.

The game was annotated by Ian Rogers?

Where can I find the annotated game?

**MOZ** · 06-29-2009, 06:04 PM

L Matheson 1 1826 7
Bobby Cheng 2 2133 1
Jason Tang

Justin Tan 3
Sam Dalton 3 1925 5

Rhys Hopkins 4 1693 13
Nicholas Liu 4 1536 19
Sally Yu 4 1661 14
Thomas Feng 5 1472 21
Michael Chan 5
Isaac Ng 5
A Sannidhanam
Vinay Lakshman
Derek Yu
Joshua Ng
Ren Vijayakumar
James Cameron
Luthien Russell
Gene Lai
Vanja Rozenblat
Samuel Chan
Andrew Gurevich
Cedic Antolis
James Morris
Eugene Schon

**mischa** · 06-29-2009, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I agree, his rating seems too low to justify the award of an IM title. And if you look at his game against David Smerdon, the Smurf roughed him up pretty badly.

David admitted in "other" forum that James had him sweating

06-26-2009, 09:06 PM	#61 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Ninja So how does the list look when you add in the Zonal results ? It will turn the list on its head. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-26-2009, 11:08 PM	#62 (permalink)
Ninja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 124	Originally Posted by MOZ It will turn the list on its head. So the question becomes "Does the Vic Juniors present enough of a challenge to bring out the best in James ?"

06-27-2009, 01:04 AM	#63 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Ninja So the question becomes "Does the Vic Juniors present enough of a challenge to bring out the best in James ?" The list itself is the medium of the challenge. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-27-2009, 04:16 PM	#64 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by MikesGuns James Morris 18th and a IM doesnt make sense I agree, his rating seems too low to justify the award of an IM title. And if you look at his game against David Smerdon, the Smurf roughed him up pretty badly. __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

06-28-2009, 12:10 AM	#65 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Time for an update before Monday L Matheson 1 1826 7 Bobby Cheng 2 2133 1 Justin Tan 3 Sam Dalton 3 1925 5 Jason Tang 3 1808 8 Rhys Hopkins 4 1693 13 Nicholas Liu 4 1536 19 Sally Yu 4 1661 14 Thomas Feng 5 1472 21 Michael Chan 5 Isaac Ng 5 A Sannidhanam Vinay Lakshman Derek Yu Joshua Ng Ren Vijayakumar James Cameron Luthien Russell Gene Lai Vanja Rozenblat Samuel Chan Andrew Gurevich Cedic Antolis James Morris Eugene Schon __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-28-2009, 12:14 AM	#66 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,311 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Are those the top rated juniors Moz?

06-28-2009, 12:47 AM	#67 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid Are those the top rated juniors Moz? It is the Bookies market for winning the u18 title. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-28-2009, 12:53 AM	#68 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,311 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by MOZ It is the Bookies market for winning the u18 title. Some of those players aren't entered though. Or has the list not been updated yet?

06-28-2009, 11:12 AM	#69 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid Some of those players aren't entered though. Or has the list not been updated yet? Let me be frank with U HBK. It is not unknown for Bookies to list runners with no or little chance. (\wink) __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-28-2009, 12:16 PM	#70 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,311 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by MOZ Let me be frank with U HBK. It is not unknown for Bookies to list runners with no or little chance. (\wink) Oh of course haha. Nice use of my name too (\wink) Last edited by Lekko : 06-28-2009 at 01:16 PM

06-28-2009, 12:48 PM	#71 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by MOZ It is not unknown for Bookies to list runners with no or little chance. Really? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

06-28-2009, 12:49 PM	#72 (permalink)
flavid dude Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 329	titles Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I agree, his rating seems too low to justify the award of an IM title. And if you look at his game against David Smerdon, the Smurf roughed him up pretty badly. Rubbish, The Smurf did not rough him up. Read the annotations by Ian Rogers. James was at least equal most of the way. Take a look at the list of opponents. It is an impressive list. He played the tournament at IM standard and look at his performance rating. Two years ago people were saying James did not deserve an FM title. They were wrong. Good on him and good on Bobby Cheng on his FM title.

06-28-2009, 01:07 PM	#73 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by elvis Rubbish, The Smurf did not rough him up. Read the annotations by Ian Rogers. The game was annotated by Ian Rogers? Where can I find the annotated game? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

06-29-2009, 06:04 PM	#74 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,495	Those who met the 'starter'. A Victorian U18 title beckons L Matheson 1 1826 7 Bobby Cheng 2 2133 1 Jason Tang Justin Tan 3 Sam Dalton 3 1925 5 Rhys Hopkins 4 1693 13 Nicholas Liu 4 1536 19 Sally Yu 4 1661 14 Thomas Feng 5 1472 21 Michael Chan 5 Isaac Ng 5 A Sannidhanam Vinay Lakshman Derek Yu Joshua Ng Ren Vijayakumar James Cameron Luthien Russell Gene Lai Vanja Rozenblat Samuel Chan Andrew Gurevich Cedic Antolis James Morris Eugene Schon __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-29-2009, 11:42 PM	#75 (permalink)
mischa Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 29	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I agree, his rating seems too low to justify the award of an IM title. And if you look at his game against David Smerdon, the Smurf roughed him up pretty badly. David admitted in "other" forum that James had him sweating

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