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There's absolutely no proof nor any evidence that moving these wooden pieces around black and white squares for hours, for days, for years, is considered mental fitness.
In biology, the relevant concepts are physical fitness, biological fitness, social fitness. Fitness encompasses all the abilities of the individual and relates to the environment, physical and social. And whatever is meant by "mental" is simply an abstraction from a complex life situation, not easy to define, not easy to measure. In fact playing this silly game for hours and for years would indicate some serious lack of fitness, some mental disease, some obsession. Any healthy woman would be extremely wary of committing herself to a man who's dedicated wasting away his only life moving those pieces around those squares. Women, who have a major biological commitment to the continuation of life, are in general only put off by this occupation, and most of them prefer to stay away from wasting precious time in people who push those wooden men around those colored squares. At best, they see it as what it is, a child's game that adults have only very recently in history professionalized into an occupation. But this is a distortion of modern society. In fact, quite a few top players ended up insane. Playing this game is a mark of some deep imbalance in life, and some inherent unfitness. A society of chess players would be quickly wiped off the surface of the earth by competing groups who would descend on them to steal the wooden pieces and wooden boards for their own fires. Simply look at the faces and appearances of the players in top tournaments. Are they likely to attract the groupies who fall for the Beatles or Robert Redford, or or any top tennis player, movie star or musician? Look at the grandly glorified Fischer! He was so surrounded by hordes of female groupies that he had to abandon the game to spend all his time carousing with them - not! The poor guy ended up like a tramp, even looking like one. Speaking of mental fitness, fitness is success in life, success with women, and success in understanding the dialogue of communication within one's social group. You want to see success in communication within one's group? Look at the rhetoric used by Obama in his presidential campaign in the States. And compare it with the communication rhetoric of Kasparov in Russia. |
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There is absolute proof and evidence that tapping those keys on your personal computer for hours, if not days, if not years, has in your particular case, considerably reduced your mental fitness. Now go away Troll!........
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Originally Posted by Firegoat7
that's not an argument at all FG, just abuse
chess is a distortion of life Last edited by antichrist : 02-06-2012 at 01:15 AM |
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Chess has definitely improved my memory!
Also, comparing the type of rhetoric needed in Russia with the states is woeful. And I would say Kasparov has been successful in contributing to what is happening right now in Russia. Video: 160,000 in Moscow for mass rallies despite -20C freeze - YouTube
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Originally Posted by antichrist
Why would I argue with an uninformed troll? The original post is incredibly ignorant and misinformed. Chess players are aware of studies from Adriaan de Groot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The idea that playing chess imbalances life is absurd. In fact, having time to play a little bit of chess every week demonstrates that your life has accepted the balance of ritual.
The evolutionary/biological arguments have nothing to do with chess. People choose partners for many many different reasons, be it stamp collecting, painting, business, personal aesthetics etc. The idea that chess is not a social game is simply wrong. It takes two people to play and create a game of chess,not one. Also, it is well documented that many women adored Fischer (yes,including groupies) and that at his peak he was as famous as any movie star or musician. Not that this is very important, but it does demonstrate some subjective bias in the argument. Look I don't know why Simon would want to post such negative opinions about the game of chess on a chess forum. But I get the feeling that it really is only their personal projection about the game of chess. I feel it is important to point out that sociologists have documented a historical trend within society that shows that people are becoming more anti-social in general. It has been shown that increased materialism has led to more individual isolation and disconnect across families. Any pursuit, be it chess, running, bocce etc that brings people together has to by nature be social. People ought to take some time to understand that if they find these pursuits anti-social its more likely their is a bigger picture playing out in the societal environment. Relax, take a deep breath, and live the experience.
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Greetings,
Look I apologise to Simon for my harsh tone, but jeeez, this is a chess forum.
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Originally Posted by Simon
The Turin incident showed clearly that the Elo 2500 wins the fist fight, but the Elo 2700 gets the girl. Superior chess skills have better chances to reproduce.
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Originally Posted by Simon
I'd hate to think what Ax might do if he was still around, thank Caissa he didn't have to see this
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Originally Posted by Jaydon
I will admit I found Simon's post to be mildly amusing. Obviously you cannot make broad generalizations and say they apply to everyone, but I have met people who I thought focused too much on chess at the expense of their social life and employment. There are also fully life balanced chess players who are good at the game despite hardly putting any time into it.
I think Simon's perspective is more in line with what someone would expect from a teenager, and therefore I am less likely to pounce on him. Instead I will take his post with a grain of salt because teenage perspectives invariably change over time.
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I agree completely with Simon. We are all unhealthily perching on our backsides, some of us die much too young, happened to a guy the other day, a few in last 6 months.
WE should be only playing in small doses and without stress of heavy competition. A few years ago our top player had to retire due to stress problems. Say no more. And I dont have a few silly bods here to argue stupidly all night about it. |
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Chess is a just a game and some nerds and idiots like the person who wrote this article are making it such a big deal. Some fools end up studying chess thories for hours. I would rather study theories in physics. I dont think the Indians who invented this game would have in their wildest dreams thought this game would make useless nerds out of humans. Play chess to enjoy the game and not to attract others or have sex and not to find admiration from some jobless people around you. Some people just want themselves to be proclaimed a "genius" which in no way they are. All these nerds are so selfish. I like chess but for the reason I can have fun with the game. Its a shame that people have to learn chess theories to be good. And all the people who play this game, the real fools who spend so much time on a board game just to make money and fame and earn a genius tag, they are fooling themselfs.
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Originally Posted by Blazer707
Please take the time to personally reflect about why it is not necessary to call chess players nerds and idiots on a chess forum. Chess is not just a game. It is more akin to music or a language.
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Each to their own of course. Some people like to study cooking, religion or even botany. The point is it is their choice and I don't believe calling them names (especially on a forum devoted to the pursuit) is a smart idea.
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Stereotypes are often inaccurate. Is this account a joke Matty hydra?
Originally Posted by Blazer707
Enjoyment...muhahahahahahahahah
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Every field has genius within it. Please stop abusing people.
Hedonism is a bad trip What? That is the best thing about the game!
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Well I have to say I do agree with you on your final point. The thing is the game itself takes care of these people anyway. Chess has this way of destroying egotistical delusions and really humbling a person. The facts are that most people don't play chess for money or fame.
The true genius' in the game are remembered forever because they have the Mozart like quality of an artist. Take the time to study some chess games by Kasparov, Fischer or Capablanca and you will be left with a feeling of wonderment.
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