Your average dragon player is... - OzChess

**Pablito15** · 01-18-2012, 01:20 PM

Your average dragon player is...

**the morris man** · 01-18-2012, 05:11 PM

Can I select 'All of the above' for 200 thanks, Paul?

**Lekko** · 01-18-2012, 07:51 PM

Smerdon uses te dragon to play for a draw, and most of the lines end in equality or perpetual check

**Firegoat7** · 01-18-2012, 09:29 PM

Hi,

Where is the option likes to defends lost positions against weaker players for no logical reason. Meh, I think pleads insanity would cover it.

**Lekko** · 01-18-2012, 09:32 PM

Mainline soltis gives equality for black. Defending lost positions? pfft.Don't blame the opening for ur subpar Play

If u don't have the stones to play the dragon, you should consider playing the Caro kann

**george** · 01-18-2012, 09:46 PM

Hi all,

I used to play the pirc for about 5 years had good success against weaker players and same strength players.

Switched to sicilian the last ten years and much happier - now sometimes win with my dragon against much stronger players- I have my own variation about move 10 with which i have had good success - keep it to myself if you guys dont mind.

**Firegoat7** · 01-18-2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lekko

Mainline soltis gives equality for black. Defending lost positions? pfft.

That it may, but, the mainlines from ECO are all generally += for White. So..... My point is, why play this opening against weaker players when you can just outplay them without this theory?

**the morris man** · 01-18-2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lekko

If u don't have the stones to play the dragon, you should consider playing the Caro kann

LOL.

Recommendation seconded. And if you do end up playing the Caro Kan permanently, do us all a favour and retire early

In all seriousness the Dragon's fine when I play it. Don't make me refer to my many brilliant combinations in it, David. You know what I mean.

**Lekko** · 01-18-2012, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

That it may, but, the mainlines from ECO are all generally += for White. So..... My point is, why play this opening against weaker players when you can just outplay them without this theory?

If eco says theyre += then it's either wrong or outdated. Today's theory says the Soltis equalizes the Yugoslav which Is the mainline.

**antichrist** · 01-18-2012, 10:18 PM

I love the dragon and has served me well, so many exciting variations with the Sicilian

**Lekko** · 01-18-2012, 10:23 PM

That being said, I just want to sac on c3

**Firegoat7** · 01-18-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lekko

If eco says theyre += then it's either wrong or outdated. Today's theory says the Soltis equalizes the Yugoslav which Is the mainline.

Great..awesome...Theory says I can equalise against a weaker player. I guess the only question now is can I outplay my weaker opponent in an equal ending!

**Lekko** · 01-18-2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Great..awesome...Theory says I can equalise against a weaker player. I guess the only question now is can I outplay my weaker opponent in an equal ending!

How is any other opening any different?

And sicilian endings that are equal can still be dynamic due to the imbalance in pawn structure, especially in the dragon because the king comes to the center really quickly. If you're worried about being unable to outplay a "weaker" player than that's more a reflection on your own strength/skill (or lack of

)

By the way, what equal ending are you talking about? I was talking about the position where white gets ready to play g4 and sac 2 pawns for the attack lol.

**antichrist** · 01-19-2012, 12:16 AM

a sicilian played by black to perfection is a true work of art

**Pablito15** · 01-19-2012, 02:44 AM

You'd better prepare this line for our next encounter Franky J!

and don't give me any nonsense about a queen and rook being en pris... it's the knight you're after.

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01-18-2012, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
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01-18-2012, 05:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
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01-18-2012, 07:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Smerdon uses te dragon to play for a draw, and most of the lines end in equality or perpetual check __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-18-2012, 09:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	The Dragon is a baaaaddddd Hi, Where is the option likes to defends lost positions against weaker players for no logical reason. Meh, I think pleads insanity would cover it. __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-18-2012, 09:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Mainline soltis gives equality for black. Defending lost positions? pfft.Don't blame the opening for ur subpar Play If u don't have the stones to play the dragon, you should consider playing the Caro kann __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess Last edited by Lekko : 01-18-2012 at 10:08 PM

01-18-2012, 09:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
george Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 44	Hi all, I used to play the pirc for about 5 years had good success against weaker players and same strength players. Switched to sicilian the last ten years and much happier - now sometimes win with my dragon against much stronger players- I have my own variation about move 10 with which i have had good success - keep it to myself if you guys dont mind.

01-18-2012, 10:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Lekko Mainline soltis gives equality for black. Defending lost positions? pfft. That it may, but, the mainlines from ECO are all generally += for White. So..... My point is, why play this opening against weaker players when you can just outplay them without this theory? __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-18-2012, 10:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
the morris man mr. snrub Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: some place far away Posts: 101	Originally Posted by Lekko If u don't have the stones to play the dragon, you should consider playing the Caro kann LOL. Recommendation seconded. And if you do end up playing the Caro Kan permanently, do us all a favour and retire early In all seriousness the Dragon's fine when I play it. Don't make me refer to my many brilliant combinations in it, David. You know what I mean. __________________ no longer in need of a nickname

01-18-2012, 10:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 That it may, but, the mainlines from ECO are all generally += for White. So..... My point is, why play this opening against weaker players when you can just outplay them without this theory? If eco says theyre += then it's either wrong or outdated. Today's theory says the Soltis equalizes the Yugoslav which Is the mainline. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-18-2012, 10:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	I love the dragon and has served me well, so many exciting variations with the Sicilian

01-18-2012, 10:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	That being said, I just want to sac on c3 __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-18-2012, 10:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Lekko If eco says theyre += then it's either wrong or outdated. Today's theory says the Soltis equalizes the Yugoslav which Is the mainline. Great..awesome...Theory says I can equalise against a weaker player. I guess the only question now is can I outplay my weaker opponent in an equal ending! __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-18-2012, 11:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Great..awesome...Theory says I can equalise against a weaker player. I guess the only question now is can I outplay my weaker opponent in an equal ending! How is any other opening any different? And sicilian endings that are equal can still be dynamic due to the imbalance in pawn structure, especially in the dragon because the king comes to the center really quickly. If you're worried about being unable to outplay a "weaker" player than that's more a reflection on your own strength/skill (or lack of ) By the way, what equal ending are you talking about? I was talking about the position where white gets ready to play g4 and sac 2 pawns for the attack lol. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-19-2012, 12:16 AM	#14 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	a sicilian played by black to perfection is a true work of art

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01-19-2012, 02:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	You'd better prepare this line for our next encounter Franky J! and don't give me any nonsense about a queen and rook being en pris... it's the knight you're after. __________________ My Blog!