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**antichrist** · 01-19-2012, 09:48 AM

I had not heard of Soltis before this thread but when checking this entry has confused me:Problem with Book Openings - Yugoslav Attack Soltis Variation - Chess.com

so what stands up please?

from Site:

If you go to Book Openings, and search for "Soltis" you will find an entry on the Yugoslav Attack, Soltis Variation (B79). Unfortunately, the variation is wrongly identified. The Soltis variation of the Yugoslav attack starts with:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.h4 h5

**Lekko** · 01-19-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

You'd better prepare this line for our next encounter Franky J!

and don't give me any nonsense about a queen and rook being en pris... it's the knight you're after.

You do realise its black to move in this position right? >_>

**Lekko** · 01-20-2012, 12:01 AM

It is a common trap people fall into. They try to overdefend c3 an in the process get a completely lost position!

**Firegoat7** · 01-30-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

You'd better prepare this line for our next encounter Franky J!

and don't give me any nonsense about a queen and rook being en pris... it's the knight you're after.

Not Enough love for Pauls post me thinks.

It is an all time classic! The Wing Ding Vs The Dragon!

Meanwhile.....after self combusting great positions in the Australia day weekender, which will now be forever known as the hottest tournament of death on the planet, (designed to kill older players me thinks). I walked into the club on Day 3 knowing one thing..... It couldn't get any worse...it was time to unleash the beast......thus....the Dragon was let of the leash to do its thing. Crush or be crushed was the battle cry!

Poor Gary Bekker didn't know what hit him as White. It was like a Mack truck running through a railway level crossing!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 c5xd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8. Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10. 0-0-0 Qa5 11.h4 Rfc8 12.Bb3 Ne5 13. g4 b5 14. h5 Nc4 15.Bxc4 b5xc4 16. hxg6 fxg6 17.Bh6 Bh8 18.Qh2 Rb8 19.Rd2 Rxb2 20.Kxb2 Rb8 21.Nb3 Nxe4 22. fxe4 Qxc3 23.Kc1 Rxb3 0-1

**Just2Good** · 01-30-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lekko

It is a common trap people fall into. They try to overdefend c3 an in the process get a completely lost position!

It doesn't look very common. Do you have a line to show how this occurs?

**antichrist** · 01-30-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

It doesn't look very common. Do you have a line to show how this occurs?

j2g I have heard that all your ladies look like dragons

**Lekko** · 01-30-2012, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

It doesn't look very common. Do you have a line to show how this occurs?

[White "Dizdarevic"]
[Black "Lekkas"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "48"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2
Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Qa5 11. h4 Rfc8 12. Bb3 Ne5 13. g4 b5 14. Kb1 Nc4 15.
Bxc4 bxc4 16. Nde2 Rab8 17. Bd4 Qa3 18. b3 e5 19. Be3 d5 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. Qxd5
cxb3 22. cxb3 Be6 23. Qd2 Bxb3 24. Ka1 Rc2 *

Btw nice work FG. Finally playing the dragon the way it was intended!

**Pablito15** · 01-30-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Not Enough love for Pauls post me thinks.

It is an all time classic! The Wing Ding Vs The Dragon!

Meanwhile.....after self combusting great positions in the Australia day weekender, which will now be forever known as the hottest tournament of death on the planet, (designed to kill older players me thinks). I walked into the club on Day 3 knowing one thing..... It couldn't get any worse...it was time to unleash the beast......thus....the Dragon was let of the leash to do its thing. Crush or be crushed was the battle cry!

Poor Gary Bekker didn't know what hit him as White. It was like a Mack truck running through a railway level crossing!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 c5xd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8. Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10. 0-0-0 Qa5 11.h4 Rfc8 12.Bb3 Ne5 13. g4 b5 14. h5 Nc4 15.Bxc4 b5xc4 16. hxg6 fxg6 17.Bh6 Bh8 18.Qh2 Rb8 19.Rd2 Rxb2 20.Kxb2 Rb8 21.Nb3 Nxe4 22. fxe4 Qxc3 23.Kc1 Rxb3 0-1

bery nice! wouldn't have been my choice against the beckster but can't argue with a 23 move throttling!

**Calvin** · 02-05-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

Your average dragon player is...

Its not that I don't like the dragon, but black has better options than the Sicilian in response to e4. But as far as the Sicilian goes, the dragon is fairly sound and offers black some good play which he can convert to a winning position, sometimes.

View Poll Results: Your average dragon player is...
Living on the edge, a steely assassin playing for a win with the black pieces	4	44.44%
A cave dwelling troglodyte who collapses within 3 moves of the position becoming untheoretical	2	22.22%
A lover, a dreamer, a romantic raising a slain beast from the dead	0	0%
Just wants to play Rxc3	2	22.22%
Extremely confused and in need of guidance.	4	44.44%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 9. You may not vote on this poll

01-19-2012, 09:48 AM	#16 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	I had not heard of Soltis before this thread but when checking this entry has confused me:Problem with Book Openings - Yugoslav Attack Soltis Variation - Chess.com so what stands up please? from Site: If you go to Book Openings, and search for "Soltis" you will find an entry on the Yugoslav Attack, Soltis Variation (B79). Unfortunately, the variation is wrongly identified. The Soltis variation of the Yugoslav attack starts with: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.h4 h5 Last edited by antichrist : 01-19-2012 at 11:23 AM

01-19-2012, 01:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Pablito15 You'd better prepare this line for our next encounter Franky J! and don't give me any nonsense about a queen and rook being en pris... it's the knight you're after. You do realise its black to move in this position right? >_> __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-20-2012, 12:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	It is a common trap people fall into. They try to overdefend c3 an in the process get a completely lost position! __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-30-2012, 09:40 AM	#19 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Pablito15 You'd better prepare this line for our next encounter Franky J! and don't give me any nonsense about a queen and rook being en pris... it's the knight you're after. Not Enough love for Pauls post me thinks. It is an all time classic! The Wing Ding Vs The Dragon! Meanwhile.....after self combusting great positions in the Australia day weekender, which will now be forever known as the hottest tournament of death on the planet, (designed to kill older players me thinks). I walked into the club on Day 3 knowing one thing..... It couldn't get any worse...it was time to unleash the beast......thus....the Dragon was let of the leash to do its thing. Crush or be crushed was the battle cry! Poor Gary Bekker didn't know what hit him as White. It was like a Mack truck running through a railway level crossing! 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 c5xd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8. Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10. 0-0-0 Qa5 11.h4 Rfc8 12.Bb3 Ne5 13. g4 b5 14. h5 Nc4 15.Bxc4 b5xc4 16. hxg6 fxg6 17.Bh6 Bh8 18.Qh2 Rb8 19.Rd2 Rxb2 20.Kxb2 Rb8 21.Nb3 Nxe4 22. fxe4 Qxc3 23.Kc1 Rxb3 0-1 __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

01-30-2012, 10:17 AM	#20 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Lekko It is a common trap people fall into. They try to overdefend c3 an in the process get a completely lost position! It doesn't look very common. Do you have a line to show how this occurs? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

01-30-2012, 11:59 AM	#21 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good It doesn't look very common. Do you have a line to show how this occurs? j2g I have heard that all your ladies look like dragons

01-30-2012, 12:39 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Just2Good It doesn't look very common. Do you have a line to show how this occurs? [White "Dizdarevic"] [Black "Lekkas"] [Result "0-1"] [PlyCount "48"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Qa5 11. h4 Rfc8 12. Bb3 Ne5 13. g4 b5 14. Kb1 Nc4 15. Bxc4 bxc4 16. Nde2 Rab8 17. Bd4 Qa3 18. b3 e5 19. Be3 d5 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. Qxd5 cxb3 22. cxb3 Be6 23. Qd2 Bxb3 24. Ka1 Rc2 * Btw nice work FG. Finally playing the dragon the way it was intended! __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-30-2012, 01:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Not Enough love for Pauls post me thinks. It is an all time classic! The Wing Ding Vs The Dragon! Meanwhile.....after self combusting great positions in the Australia day weekender, which will now be forever known as the hottest tournament of death on the planet, (designed to kill older players me thinks). I walked into the club on Day 3 knowing one thing..... It couldn't get any worse...it was time to unleash the beast......thus....the Dragon was let of the leash to do its thing. Crush or be crushed was the battle cry! Poor Gary Bekker didn't know what hit him as White. It was like a Mack truck running through a railway level crossing! 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 c5xd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8. Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10. 0-0-0 Qa5 11.h4 Rfc8 12.Bb3 Ne5 13. g4 b5 14. h5 Nc4 15.Bxc4 b5xc4 16. hxg6 fxg6 17.Bh6 Bh8 18.Qh2 Rb8 19.Rd2 Rxb2 20.Kxb2 Rb8 21.Nb3 Nxe4 22. fxe4 Qxc3 23.Kc1 Rxb3 0-1 bery nice! wouldn't have been my choice against the beckster but can't argue with a 23 move throttling! __________________ My Blog!

02-05-2012, 05:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 268	Originally Posted by Pablito15 Your average dragon player is... Its not that I don't like the dragon, but black has better options than the Sicilian in response to e4. But as far as the Sicilian goes, the dragon is fairly sound and offers black some good play which he can convert to a winning position, sometimes.

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