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Old 12-17-2011, 08:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Considering what appears ( according to forum reports/posts ) to be a significant body of evidence indicating a series of transgressions ( or worse ) allegedly committed by IM Mirko Rujevic , is it not time to consider sanctions in an effort to make a strong (perhaps overdue) public signal/statement against this type of poor behaviour ?
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Considering what appears ( according to forum reports/posts ) to be a significant body of evidence indicating a series of transgressions ( or worse ) allegedly committed by IM Mirko Rujevic , is it not time to consider sanctions in an effort to make a strong (perhaps overdue) public signal/statement against this type of poor behaviour ?
not necessary. I can remember the previous incident a few years ago, and it went on for quite awhile. From what I gather there is not close scrutiny of what goes on games there and so law infringements could happen and it is only one person's word against the other. And sometimes people are not honest with their words.

Censor maybe coz of trouble caused in serious tourney, but discuss in private first with him before censoring.
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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not necessary. I can remember the previous incident a few years ago, and it went on for quite awhile. From what I gather there is not close scrutiny of what goes on games there and so law infringements could happen and it is only one person's word against the other. And sometimes people are not honest with their words.

Censor maybe coz of trouble caused in serious tourney, but discuss in private first with him before censoring.
Of course Mirko should be allowed to give his position , that's a given i would have thought . However , because not a single post has been made in his defence or giving his side of the story , do we not have enough prima facie evidence and pattern of behaviour to be able to push for a resolution , including the use of sanctions ?

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Old 12-17-2011, 10:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
not necessary. I can remember the previous incident a few years ago, and it went on for quite awhile. From what I gather there is not close scrutiny of what goes on games there and so law infringements could happen and it is only one person's word against the other. And sometimes people are not honest with their words.

Censor maybe coz of trouble caused in serious tourney, but discuss in private first with him before censoring.
Am I interpreting you correctly, in that you are suggesting that Victorians are lawless (or a little lawless)?

Perhaps first it would be necessary to argue jurisdiction anyway.
It is not as though the Australasian Masters in an Honour Board event for the ACF.

A previous post on this thread indicated the event (organisation) has been the province of privateers.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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No he shouldn't be banned, he'll have a reputation now and won't be invited to many more round robins of this type. He loves his chess and I wouldn't like to see him banned over frustrated behaviour.
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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What has occurred at Masters is unfortunate ,but he needs to pulled in line as

any player needs to be for this type of conduct ( Mirko) . Sanctions is overtop ,

as pointed out he'll have a black mark against his name for further Tournaments

like Masters . Mirko is great for Vic chess , lets not Polaris him for this

misdemeanor .

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Old 12-18-2011, 07:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I one sentence, what did he do?
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Old 12-18-2011, 07:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I one sentence, what did he do?
icon you are slow follow the some post's will you ! mirko storm out of room , suggesting that james cheated in there match and to top it off he pulls out of masters
which throws tourn in to chaos .
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Bulletin boards don't have the full story. It's up to the organisers to take action if they see fit. I expect Leonid has the whole thing worked out and whatever he decides to do is fine by me.
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Bulletin boards don't have the full story. It's up to the organisers to take action if they see fit. I expect Leonid has the whole thing worked out and whatever he decides to do is fine by me.
OK that's fine but the salient facts seem to be established ie . a player withdraws over an altercation over a touch-move incident .

My question is , as this is not by any means the first time that said player has been involved in similarly concerning episodes , should he be the subject of some sort of formal sanction ( note this doesn't necessarily mean banning) ?
Maybe simply a letter from CV ( or whoever the authority is !) issuing a formal warning explaining the unacceptability of such behaviour .
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OK that's fine but the salient facts seem to be established ie . a player withdraws over an altercation over a touch-move incident .

My question is , as this is not by any means the first time that said player has been involved in similarly concerning episodes , should he be the subject of some sort of formal sanction ( note this doesn't necessarily mean banning) ?
Maybe simply a letter from CV ( or whoever the authority is !) issuing a formal warning explaining the unacceptability of such behaviour .
I would guess that Leonid has already been in touch with Mirko. It's a small chess scene, everyone knows everyone, and the personal touch is always the best.

Official sanction? Again, I'll leave that to Leonid and CV to decide.
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by mowcop View Post
I would guess that Leonid has already been in touch with Mirko. It's a small chess scene, everyone knows everyone, and the personal touch is always the best.

Official sanction? Again, I'll leave that to Leonid and CV to decide.
Quite so , and i likewise support your position .
But i think it is still useful to air this issue in a forthright way on a forum , only because of a set of seemingly established facts , enough to construe a significant basis to pose the poll question .
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It is not the Victorian way to ban players from playing chess. As Mowcop says, use the personal touch and tell him not to do it again.

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It is not the Victorian way to ban players from playing chess. As Mowcop says, use the personal touch and tell him not to do it again.

cheeers,
That's where the problem lies. He's been told that many times before, he has a history of things like this (including in round robin events) and yet he still did it. Once is bad enough, but multiple times isn't good enough, especially in fixed round tournaments such as this one, with IM norm possibilities on the line.
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That's where the problem lies. He's been told that many times before, he has a history of things like this (including in round robin events) and yet he still did it. Once is bad enough, but multiple times isn't good enough, especially in fixed round tournaments such as this one, with IM norm possibilities on the line.

Yeah I know, but lets look at it in a positive light. You won the Masters with extra rating points!!
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