Should Rujevic Be Sanctioned ? - Page 2 - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 12-20-2011, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

No he shouldn't be banned, he'll have a reputation now and won't be invited to many more round robins of this type. He loves his chess and I wouldn't like to see him banned over frustrated behaviour.

For those who haven't been informed of what transpired, what are the allegations against him?

**antichrist** · 12-20-2011, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

For those who haven't been informed of what transpired, what are the allegations against him?

I dont think it was he got thrown out of a brown beauty's house after midnight

**Firegoat7** · 12-22-2011, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

For those who haven't been informed of what transpired, what are the allegations against him?

He had an unapproved withdrawal in the Masters. Although, to be fair, he claims to have told the arbiter that he was not going to play anymore. Mirko is an emotional person and he truly believes that James broke the rules. He didn't want to play on under the circumstances. To be honest when I discussed this matter with him in person at MCC, it was fairly obvious that he was very distressed about the incident.

I am unsure whether he obtained a doctors certificate, but it seems obvious that he was too stressed out to play. He even indicated that he couldn't care less about the ACF trying to ban him. Fortunately, Leonid Sandler had a discussion with him and I highly doubt Chessvictoria will take any action against him.

**The Seeing** · 12-22-2011, 01:32 AM

Could someone please pass on a message to mirko , inviting him to ozchess . . I know we would all give him a warm welcome and be open to listening to anything he may want to say on the subject , and if he wants not to talk about it that's ok too .

While on this , 2 others pop into my mind , jammo and samantha . Both too very welcome to hitch a ride on planet ozchess !

**Firegoat7** · 12-22-2011, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Seeing

Could someone please pass on a message to mirko , inviting him to ozchess . . I know we would all give him a warm welcome and be open to listening to anything he may want to say on the subject , and if he wants not to talk about it that's ok too .

While on this , 2 others pop into my mind , jammo and samantha . Both too very welcome to hitch a ride on planet ozchess !

Meh Jammo is like Karmic death

**Jaydon** · 12-22-2011, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Mirko is an emotional person and he truly believes that James broke the rules. He didn't want to play on under the circumstances.

So what I've gathered is that he has accused JM of touching his queen as JM was thinknig and then moving his king. Is that right?

What I don't understand is apparently JM was willing to let this guy have his way and move his supposedly touched queen. Why the big scene?

**antichrist** · 12-22-2011, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

So what I've gathered is that he has accused JM of touching his queen as JM was thinknig and then moving his king. Is that right?

What I don't understand is apparently JM was willing to let this guy have his way and move his supposedly touched queen. Why the big scene?

Because if his allegation of touch move was correct he is not happy with JM trying to get away with it, a valid point - that is have best of both worlds without a penalty if you dont get away with it.

you must also realise there is a history between these two players of another violation taking place that was also denied

and if you look for consistency of these two players with other players you may get a wider picture

**Jaydon** · 12-22-2011, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

Because if his allegation of touch move was correct he is not happy with JM trying to get away with it, a valid point - that is have best of both worlds without a penalty if you dont get away with it.

Well all it was and ever will be is an allegation. If JM, as he claimed, didn't realise then what is the problem here?

I'll even go further, if for whatever reason a player in the same position did deliberately do it I hardly see that justifying storming out and not returning.

**Jaydon** · 12-22-2011, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by antichrist

you must also realise there is a history between these two players of another violation taking place that was also denied

and if you look for consistency of these two players with other players you may get a wider picture

So I saw you added this to your post.

I saw your posts with him about that history and from the report there it didn't look good for Rujevic either.

and I'm not really sure what you mean by that last bit

**The Seeing** · 12-22-2011, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Meh Jammo is like Karmic death

I think he'd be a lot of fun actually .

**Thomas Bishop** · 12-22-2011, 04:41 PM

We need titled players at our tournaments, even titled players who are ..... difficult.

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12-20-2011, 02:43 AM	#16 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Pablito15 No he shouldn't be banned, he'll have a reputation now and won't be invited to many more round robins of this type. He loves his chess and I wouldn't like to see him banned over frustrated behaviour. For those who haven't been informed of what transpired, what are the allegations against him? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

12-20-2011, 09:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Just2Good For those who haven't been informed of what transpired, what are the allegations against him? I dont think it was he got thrown out of a brown beauty's house after midnight

12-22-2011, 01:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by Just2Good For those who haven't been informed of what transpired, what are the allegations against him? He had an unapproved withdrawal in the Masters. Although, to be fair, he claims to have told the arbiter that he was not going to play anymore. Mirko is an emotional person and he truly believes that James broke the rules. He didn't want to play on under the circumstances. To be honest when I discussed this matter with him in person at MCC, it was fairly obvious that he was very distressed about the incident. I am unsure whether he obtained a doctors certificate, but it seems obvious that he was too stressed out to play. He even indicated that he couldn't care less about the ACF trying to ban him. Fortunately, Leonid Sandler had a discussion with him and I highly doubt Chessvictoria will take any action against him. __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-22-2011, 01:32 AM	#19 (permalink)
The Seeing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 263	Give It A Whirl ! Could someone please pass on a message to mirko , inviting him to ozchess . . I know we would all give him a warm welcome and be open to listening to anything he may want to say on the subject , and if he wants not to talk about it that's ok too . While on this , 2 others pop into my mind , jammo and samantha . Both too very welcome to hitch a ride on planet ozchess !

12-22-2011, 01:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
Firegoat7 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Getting owned by White in the Dragon and trying to recover lost positions from shock paralysis OTB Posts: 2,044 ICC Handle: guest	Originally Posted by The Seeing Could someone please pass on a message to mirko , inviting him to ozchess . . I know we would all give him a warm welcome and be open to listening to anything he may want to say on the subject , and if he wants not to talk about it that's ok too . While on this , 2 others pop into my mind , jammo and samantha . Both too very welcome to hitch a ride on planet ozchess ! Meh Jammo is like Karmic death __________________ "...What I meant? Dear Mr Ian Rout (ACF news publisher) could you please put Ozchessforum in the next news letter! There is no reason to hide this forum from the Australian chess public. What they meant? Sorry, No english!- Amir Karibasic

12-22-2011, 01:50 AM	#21 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Mirko is an emotional person and he truly believes that James broke the rules. He didn't want to play on under the circumstances. So what I've gathered is that he has accused JM of touching his queen as JM was thinknig and then moving his king. Is that right? What I don't understand is apparently JM was willing to let this guy have his way and move his supposedly touched queen. Why the big scene?

12-22-2011, 01:57 AM	#22 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Originally Posted by Jaydon So what I've gathered is that he has accused JM of touching his queen as JM was thinknig and then moving his king. Is that right? What I don't understand is apparently JM was willing to let this guy have his way and move his supposedly touched queen. Why the big scene? Because if his allegation of touch move was correct he is not happy with JM trying to get away with it, a valid point - that is have best of both worlds without a penalty if you dont get away with it. you must also realise there is a history between these two players of another violation taking place that was also denied and if you look for consistency of these two players with other players you may get a wider picture

12-22-2011, 02:01 AM	#23 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by antichrist Because if his allegation of touch move was correct he is not happy with JM trying to get away with it, a valid point - that is have best of both worlds without a penalty if you dont get away with it. Well all it was and ever will be is an allegation. If JM, as he claimed, didn't realise then what is the problem here? I'll even go further, if for whatever reason a player in the same position did deliberately do it I hardly see that justifying storming out and not returning.

12-22-2011, 02:07 AM	#24 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by antichrist you must also realise there is a history between these two players of another violation taking place that was also denied and if you look for consistency of these two players with other players you may get a wider picture So I saw you added this to your post. I saw your posts with him about that history and from the report there it didn't look good for Rujevic either. and I'm not really sure what you mean by that last bit

12-22-2011, 02:50 AM	#25 (permalink)
The Seeing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 263	Originally Posted by Firegoat7 Meh Jammo is like Karmic death I think he'd be a lot of fun actually .

12-22-2011, 04:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
Thomas Bishop Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 253	We need titled players at our tournaments, even titled players who are ..... difficult.

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