Transfer from the Australian to another chess federation - OzChess

**Gold Coast** · 08-16-2011, 07:00 PM

My name is Amir Karibasic.

I would like to transfer from the Australian chess federation to another chess federation.
Does annyone have information what needs to be done and which surrounding countries (Oceania federations) would be optimal?

I need advise from someone who has done it in the past!

**Amir Karibasic** · 08-16-2011, 07:15 PM

I found some information from the FIDE web site:

Code:

Attention: National Federations and Players who
 would like to transfer federation: 

Application procedure to change federation

In order to officially apply to transfer federation,
 a player should provide the Elista FIDE Office
 (federations@fide.com, or fax +7 84722 67226)
 with the following: 

1. the official confirmation from the new federation
 (by e-mail) that it agrees to accept the transferee
 as its new member, and that the new federation 
agrees to pay a notification fee 
(in accordance with FIDE regulations C.05 )
 in the amount of 250 Euro for the transfer. 
On receipt of their agreement, the transfer 
shall be announced and the new federation
 shall be invoiced. 

Please note that the notification fee payment
 can be made by bank transfer to the 
FIDE bank account. Please download the 
details of FIDE Bank account. We would like
 to ask you to send us the scanned image 
of the bank transfer order. Upon receipt of
 this document, the change of federation
 will be made. 

2. a statement by the former federation
 (e-mail) that it has no objection to the 
transfer. Otherwise, the notification will 
be posted on the FIDE site for the period
 of three months after which it can be 
considered as valid and the transfer will 
be made without the former federation's
 approval. 

3. the scanned image of a player's passport
 (photo and citizenship) 

4. the scanned image of a residence certificate if any. 

5. the filled in Application form. Please draw special 
attention to the last FIDE event under the flag
 of the former federation. 


Eligibility to Participate in FIDE Events 
Under the New Flag
In order to avoid any misinterpretation 
of the regulations, we would like to 
underline some points of the regulations 
for the players wishing to represent the
 new federation in FIDE events after the transfer: 

1. a transferred player can represent the
 New federation in FIDE events only after 
the necessary period of residency unless 
the appropriate transfer and/or compensation
 fees are paid. 

2. a transferred player who did not represent
 the former federation 5 years prior to the
 notification date, is eligible to represent the
 New Federation in one year after the
 Notification date Without Fee. 


See C.0.5 General Rules of participation 
in the FIDE events for your kind information.

**antichrist** · 08-16-2011, 07:50 PM

The 250 Euro fee is a bit stiff, but I think the t/f system is meant for toppish players living under difficult circumstances.

But the trouble would be then you could not participate in many Oz events that are FIDE rated, I imagine anyway.

But best of luck anyway and I appreciate your principled stand.

**Just2Good** · 08-16-2011, 08:58 PM

In theory Australia could set up a second chess federation which seeks membership into FIDE. But is this the best approach?

**- V -** · 08-16-2011, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

In theory Australia could set up a second chess federation which seeks membership into FIDE. But is this the best approach?

Well, we have 2 forums .

**mowcop** · 08-16-2011, 11:11 PM

That's odd, I'm currently thinking heavily about transferring to Australia. I have the paperwork ready, but am indecisive and wavering at the moment.

**Iconoclast** · 08-16-2011, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Just2Good

In theory Australia could set up a second chess federation which seeks membership into FIDE. But is this the best approach?

FIDE would not accept a new Australian organisation unless it could put a more money into its hand than the current ACF.

**Amir Karibasic** · 08-17-2011, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

FIDE would not accept a new Australian organisation unless it could put a more money into its hand than the current ACF.

The current ACF to FIDE representative doesn't respect the FIDE President Mr Kirsan Ilyumzhinov , so it could be the chance there, here are some of his comments;

Originally quoted by well known '3K Toolbox Owner' and a FIDE representative for Australian Chess Federation;
"As for Kirsan I have no intention of showing him either the Toolbox or this thread debunking it. But actually if I did show him the former I would be doing him a great service. Every time he was criticised for believing in aliens he would be able to point to Amir's posts over there as evidence that there are people who believe far more ridiculous things."

..

**Gold Coast** · 08-17-2011, 07:30 PM

I found the following link:

Code:

If you are a non-resident chess player
 with a connection with Papua New Guinea
 (either by Place of Birth, Residency or Citizenship)
 and are interested in representing PNG please 
contact the PNGCF Secretary Shaun Press.

I didn't know that Shaun Press is PNGCF Secretary.

Annyone knows if I could transfer my files to Papua New Guinea?

**antichrist** · 08-18-2011, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Gold Coast

My name is Amir Karibasic.

I would like to transfer from the Australian chess federation to another chess federation.
Does annyone have information what needs to be done and which surrounding countries (Oceania federations) would be optimal?

I need advise from someone who has done it in the past!

Bobby Fischer Against the World - Vancouver International Film Centre Program Guide

this video is titled Bobby Fischer against the World - sounds like a good lesson for you amir, best of luck

**Amir Karibasic** · 08-19-2011, 02:18 AM

Registration, Transfer & Rules of Eligibility for Participation in FIDE events
Approved by the 2009 FIDE Congress.

Registrations, Transfers and Rules of Eligibility for Participation in FIDE Competitions

1. Registration under a Federation
1.1 A player may only be registered under one Federation at any one time.

1.2 A player who has dual citizenship must be registered under and only represent one Federation.
1.3 A player qualifies to be registered under a Federation:
(a) if he or she is qualified by citizenship or naturalization in the country of that Federation; or
(b) if he or she has resided for a continuous period of two years in a country of which he or she is not a citizen and, after thorough examination and clearance by the FIDE General Secretary, is approved for registration under the new Federation of his or her country of residence. This two-year period of residence shall be reduced to one year if the player has not participated in any FIDE competition (including continental individual and team events) for at least 5 consecutive years prior to the date of registration.
(c) if FIDE has approved his or her transfer.
2. Transfers between the Federations

2.1 A player who wishes to change his Federation and register under a new Federation must apply through the new Federation to FIDE for a transfer. A notification fee of €250 is payable for all transfers. 2.2 Consent and Compensation Fee from New Federation

2.2.1 A player who qualifies to be registered under a new Federation may at any time transfer from one Federation to another Federation with the consent of the new Federation to which he wishes to transfer.

2.2.2 Provided the player does not have a continuous period of residence of two years, such consent shall be accompanied with a payment from the new Federation to the old Federation of a compensation fee ("Compensation Fee") according to the following scale:

Code:

    FIDE Title/Rating
 Amount of Compensation Fee Payable
 
GM rated 2700 and above  € 50,000 /  GM rated 2600 to 2699   € 30,000
 
GM rated below 2600      € 10,000
 
IM rated above 2400      € 6,000
IM rated 2400 or below   € 4,000
 
FM or rated above 2300
 € 2,000
 
Women players rated above 2600  € 50,000  Women players rated above 2500  € 20,000
 
Women players rated above 2400  € 10,000  Women players rated above 2300   € 5,000
 
Women players rated above 2200  € 2,000
 
WFM or rated above 2100         € 1,000

The rating of the player shall be that as published on the last FIDE Rating List before the date of receipt by the FIDE Secretariat of notification of change of Federation.

2.2.3 The old Federation may at any time elect in writing addressed to FIDE and the new Federation to waive all or any part of any Compensation Fee(s) due to it from the new Federation.
2.3 All transfers shall be the responsibility of the new Federation and must be submitted to the FIDE Secretariat on the prescribed form in Annex A ("Notification of Change of Federation"), together with the relevant:

(a) supporting documentary evidence of date and place of birth, citizenship and residence;
(b) Notification Fee of €250;
(c) Compensation Fee payable to the new Federation; and
(d) Transfer Fee payable, if any.
2.4 Upon receipt of a Notification of Change of Federation that is in satisfactory compliance with 2.2 above, FIDE shall inform the old Federation and publish such notification on the FIDE website. If no objection is received in writing by FIDE within three months from the date of publication on its website, the notification of change of Federation shall be deemed approved.

2.5 Transfers with Payment of Transfer Fees

A Federation may apply to FIDE to transfer a player before the stated period of residency in 1.3 if that player provides supporting evidence together with payment of a transfer fee ("Transfer Fee") according to the following scale:

Code:

FIDE Title/Rating
 Residence in new Federation for a period between
 
0 to 12 months     13 to 24 months
 
GM  € 5,000             € 3,500

IM  € 2,000             € 1,500

FM or rated above 2300
 € 1,000                 € 750

WGM € 2,000             € 1,500

WIM € 1,000              € 750

 
WFM or rated above 2100  € 500
 € 300
 
Others  € 500            € 300

The rating of the player shall be that as published on the last FIDE Rating List before the date of receipt by the FIDE Secretariat of notification of change of Federation.

2.6 The date of commencement of any period of residence shall be the day after the date of receipt by the FIDE Secretariat of notification of change of Federation.

2.7 Any protest submitted to the FIDE Secretariat regarding transfers must be accompanied with a protest fee of Euro 500, which shall be refundable, if the protest is upheld. The Presidential Board shall decide upon all protests.

08-16-2011, 07:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gold Coast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: GOLD COAST Posts: 168	Transfer from the Australian to another chess federation My name is Amir Karibasic. I would like to transfer from the Australian chess federation to another chess federation. Does annyone have information what needs to be done and which surrounding countries (Oceania federations) would be optimal? I need advise from someone who has done it in the past! __________________ . . Visit my: Chesshop

08-16-2011, 08:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	In theory Australia could set up a second chess federation which seeks membership into FIDE. But is this the best approach? __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-16-2011, 10:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
- V - De-Programmer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 492	Kevin Bonham- Release The Warriors ! Originally Posted by Just2Good In theory Australia could set up a second chess federation which seeks membership into FIDE. But is this the best approach? Well, we have 2 forums . __________________ "Few have the stomach to pursue truth , yet most know in their gut something is wrong" V *"But everyone knows the media doesn't inform. Duhhhhhh !! "*

08-16-2011, 11:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
mowcop fireeater Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 825	That's odd, I'm currently thinking heavily about transferring to Australia. I have the paperwork ready, but am indecisive and wavering at the moment. __________________ Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand I'm trying out a new blog site..... http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/

08-16-2011, 11:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	Originally Posted by Just2Good In theory Australia could set up a second chess federation which seeks membership into FIDE. But is this the best approach? FIDE would not accept a new Australian organisation unless it could put a more money into its hand than the current ACF. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-16-2011, 07:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	The 250 Euro fee is a bit stiff, but I think the t/f system is meant for toppish players living under difficult circumstances. But the trouble would be then you could not participate in many Oz events that are FIDE rated, I imagine anyway. But best of luck anyway and I appreciate your principled stand.

08-17-2011, 01:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Amir Karibasic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 194	Originally Posted by Iconoclast FIDE would not accept a new Australian organisation unless it could put a more money into its hand than the current ACF. The current ACF to FIDE representative doesn't respect the FIDE President Mr Kirsan Ilyumzhinov , so it could be the chance there, here are some of his comments; Originally quoted by well known '3K Toolbox Owner' and a FIDE representative for Australian Chess Federation; "As for Kirsan I have no intention of showing him either the Toolbox or this thread debunking it. But actually if I did show him the former I would be doing him a great service. Every time he was criticised for believing in aliens he would be able to point to Amir's posts over there as evidence that there are people who believe far more ridiculous things." .. __________________ . Visit my chess shop! Last edited by Amir Karibasic : 08-17-2011 at 01:16 AM

08-17-2011, 07:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gold Coast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: GOLD COAST Posts: 168	I found the following link: Code: If you are a non-resident chess player with a connection with Papua New Guinea (either by Place of Birth, Residency or Citizenship) and are interested in representing PNG please contact the PNGCF Secretary Shaun Press. I didn't know that Shaun Press is PNGCF Secretary. Annyone knows if I could transfer my files to Papua New Guinea? __________________ . . Visit my: Chesshop

08-18-2011, 11:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
antichrist Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Byron Bay, NSW Posts: 2,821	Bobby Fischer against the world videol Originally Posted by Gold Coast My name is Amir Karibasic. I would like to transfer from the Australian chess federation to another chess federation. Does annyone have information what needs to be done and which surrounding countries (Oceania federations) would be optimal? I need advise from someone who has done it in the past! Bobby Fischer Against the World - Vancouver International Film Centre Program Guide this video is titled Bobby Fischer against the World - sounds like a good lesson for you amir, best of luck

08-19-2011, 02:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
Amir Karibasic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 194	Registration, Transfer & Rules of Eligibility for Participation in FIDE events Approved by the 2009 FIDE Congress. Registrations, Transfers and Rules of Eligibility for Participation in FIDE Competitions 1. Registration under a Federation 1.1 A player may only be registered under one Federation at any one time. 1.2 A player who has dual citizenship must be registered under and only represent one Federation. 1.3 A player qualifies to be registered under a Federation: (a) if he or she is qualified by citizenship or naturalization in the country of that Federation; or (b) if he or she has resided for a continuous period of two years in a country of which he or she is not a citizen and, after thorough examination and clearance by the FIDE General Secretary, is approved for registration under the new Federation of his or her country of residence. This two-year period of residence shall be reduced to one year if the player has not participated in any FIDE competition (including continental individual and team events) for at least 5 consecutive years prior to the date of registration. (c) if FIDE has approved his or her transfer. 2. Transfers between the Federations 2.1 A player who wishes to change his Federation and register under a new Federation must apply through the new Federation to FIDE for a transfer. A notification fee of €250 is payable for all transfers. 2.2 Consent and Compensation Fee from New Federation 2.2.1 A player who qualifies to be registered under a new Federation may at any time transfer from one Federation to another Federation with the consent of the new Federation to which he wishes to transfer. 2.2.2 Provided the player does not have a continuous period of residence of two years, such consent shall be accompanied with a payment from the new Federation to the old Federation of a compensation fee ("Compensation Fee") according to the following scale: Code: FIDE Title/Rating Amount of Compensation Fee Payable GM rated 2700 and above € 50,000 / GM rated 2600 to 2699 € 30,000 GM rated below 2600 € 10,000 IM rated above 2400 € 6,000 IM rated 2400 or below € 4,000 FM or rated above 2300 € 2,000 Women players rated above 2600 € 50,000 Women players rated above 2500 € 20,000 Women players rated above 2400 € 10,000 Women players rated above 2300 € 5,000 Women players rated above 2200 € 2,000 WFM or rated above 2100 € 1,000 The rating of the player shall be that as published on the last FIDE Rating List before the date of receipt by the FIDE Secretariat of notification of change of Federation. 2.2.3 The old Federation may at any time elect in writing addressed to FIDE and the new Federation to waive all or any part of any Compensation Fee(s) due to it from the new Federation. 2.3 All transfers shall be the responsibility of the new Federation and must be submitted to the FIDE Secretariat on the prescribed form in Annex A ("Notification of Change of Federation"), together with the relevant: (a) supporting documentary evidence of date and place of birth, citizenship and residence; (b) Notification Fee of €250; (c) Compensation Fee payable to the new Federation; and (d) Transfer Fee payable, if any. 2.4 Upon receipt of a Notification of Change of Federation that is in satisfactory compliance with 2.2 above, FIDE shall inform the old Federation and publish such notification on the FIDE website. If no objection is received in writing by FIDE within three months from the date of publication on its website, the notification of change of Federation shall be deemed approved. 2.5 Transfers with Payment of Transfer Fees A Federation may apply to FIDE to transfer a player before the stated period of residency in 1.3 if that player provides supporting evidence together with payment of a transfer fee ("Transfer Fee") according to the following scale: Code: FIDE Title/Rating Residence in new Federation for a period between 0 to 12 months 13 to 24 months GM € 5,000 € 3,500 IM € 2,000 € 1,500 FM or rated above 2300 € 1,000 € 750 WGM € 2,000 € 1,500 WIM € 1,000 € 750 WFM or rated above 2100 € 500 € 300 Others € 500 € 300 The rating of the player shall be that as published on the last FIDE Rating List before the date of receipt by the FIDE Secretariat of notification of change of Federation. 2.6 The date of commencement of any period of residence shall be the day after the date of receipt by the FIDE Secretariat of notification of change of Federation. 2.7 Any protest submitted to the FIDE Secretariat regarding transfers must be accompanied with a protest fee of Euro 500, which shall be refundable, if the protest is upheld. The Presidential Board shall decide upon all protests. __________________ . Visit my chess shop!

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