Fischer-Fan

Have you ever been too sick or injured to play in the middle of a tournament? A no forfeit record is impressive if you have been playing more than 5 years.

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WhiteElephant

I have been playing tournament chess for 23 years.

I was very active as a junior but then had nearly 10 years break (included in the 23) and have only started playing again (infrequently) in the last few years.

I have never forfeited a game and I have never withdrawn from a tournament. There have been times (not many) when I could not play a club game due to being sick or unexpected commitments coming up, and in those cases I was able to postpone the game or was given a bye. The key is to let the arbiter know well in advance.

antichrist

what about that poor guy who withdrew out of that Fide-rated tourney in Qld and received a one year barring from such tourneys?

antichrist

I filled in late for Sarah Anton and found the going difficult playing 6 games in approximately 8 days at different starting times across different venues. I have yet to pay for the tournament, which is sort of odd as I don't actually know what the official position is here. I simply volunteered to fill in for Sarah since she had not shown up for the first two games.

AC
well done, exactly what I have been saying that players who have dropped out be replaced by a substitution, and in this case by quite a capable one in Fg.

Now this makes a mockery of what kB has been saying about decent players not filling in. Bloody hopeless that guy for not admitting a good idea when it shows it head. That is why I dont listen to him and declare myself winner in debates with him. Coz he would never admit it.

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previous combatants on this topic

Iconoclast (Matthew Sweeney) commenting elsewhere has claimed (re the differences between substitution at the start and substitution mid-tournament:

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It is not "very different." In fact, it is similar. Kevin you are intellectually dishonest. Shut up.

KB
Actually it is very different - as I pointed out it is easier to have someone on standby if they only need to be so at the start, and as Ian has pointed out substitution mid-tournament does not appear to solve the FIDE rating problem. Substitution at the start, however, does.

Matthew, you are intellectually deficient. Shut up and, to use your own quaint expression, grow up.

antichrist

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Today 10:36 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
you only arrogantly claim your answer my substitution thread over there, you claim victory then lock the thread or something - big man you are
Today 10:35 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
because you can defend your self on cc you should not be allowed to post here concerning banned CCers, only banned CCers shoould be able to post here about their bars
Today 10:33 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
I may need help on the chat boards from predators like yourself but you need help off the board to spin your life around
Today 10:32 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
I withdraw nothing, you take it like a man. There are about 15000 venues around the globe that fide rules concern with and you cant you little mentality off out back queensland - think the big long term picture like I do. And I have only ever played in one fide-rated event in my life that I withdrew from so I am talking from experience. No one cares about the dribble parts you mention below, just make the approp rules that I mention then when they could be used then you can all thank me - are you sure you dont want to bar me again before your current bar runs out, already you cant take the pressure and are cracking
Today 02:07 AMKevin Bonham
this is simply not a case of a mid-tournament fill-in
Today 02:07 AMKevin Bonham
furthermore according to reserves results beaumont has actually played all opponents in this event (except a forfeit) which was possible as it was a multi-week event. in cases like the QLD events held over a few days it is not possible for a fill-in to play all rounds
Today 02:01 AMKevin Bonham
now admit - explicitly - that you are w-r-o-n-g and apologise for misrepresenting my comments or your hypocrisy will be very plain to all to see
Today 02:01 AMKevin Bonham
you are the arrogant one in this instance
Today 02:01 AMKevin Bonham
and this is the problem with you again - you go around claiming these victories and accusing me of being arrogant when you have ignored relevant context
Today 02:00 AMKevin Bonham
melbourne or sydney are very different matters

02:00 AMKevin Bonham
my point about how it was often difficult to find reserves mid-tournament was not unqualified. the context was a queensland tournament and a 2000+ rated player
Today 01:59 AMKevin Bonham
no AC, this again shows up you being clueless in the interpretation of the words of others
Today 01:01 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
that post is now in tournament withdrawals
Today 12:52 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
as he is with many other topics
Today 12:51 AMantichrist (Edit · Delete)
http://www.ozchess.com.au/showthread...0237#post40237 this thread really shows KB up for just being an arrogant big mouth who is often wrong but never admits it

antichrist

KB from brightside


antichrist has been extremely foolish on this issue in the other place,
attempting to use firegoat substituting for Sarah Anton in the Vic Champs as an example for his stupid obsessive crusade about mid-tournament substitutions.

The facts are that this was not the same kind of mid-tournament substitution as implied in the Berbic case at all. The results on the CV website (reserves results) clearly show that Beaumont played all opponents (except one who forfeited) while the replaced player never played any.

In events like the Queensland one Berbic withdrew from, which are played over a few days, a fill-in would not be able to play all games. In events running over several weeks like this it may be possible for a fill-in to catch up (although in this case it was very difficult as firegoat himself notes.)

AC also claimed the situation makes "a mockery of what kB has been saying about decent players not filling in." But my comments about the difficulty of finding decent replacements for a disappearing player referred specifically to the contexts of (i) replacing a 2000+ player in Queensland (or some other area where strong players are thin on the ground) (ii) an event held over a short space of time.

I've made it clear that there are some areas like Melbourne and Sydney where the chance of finding a suitable fill-in is much better. But a genuine fill-in (as opposed to a full tournament replacement of a player like this one) doesn't seem to solve the ratings problem. And in any case the ratings problem still exists for the VC Reserves because of unplayed games, though nearly all the players are FIDE-rated anyhow.

AC tries to justify his usual bogus triumphalism by saying

"Now this makes a mockery of what kB has been saying about decent players not filling in. Bloody hopeless that guy for not admitting a good idea when it shows it head. That is why I dont listen to him and declare myself winner in debates with him. Coz he would never admit it."

First line is clearly false since this was a case of substitution from the start. Second part is clearly false because this is not even an example of AC's idea at all. And yes it must be hard for AC when he loses virtually every debate and has to therefore ignore the facts and make false victory claims to make any at all - but instead he should clean up his act.
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Just2Good

You better watch it AC, otherwise I will order Kevin to ban you from Chess Chat for one week!

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antichrist

Originally Posted by Just2Good
If a person registers and then doesn't show up for the opening round, its no big deal. The organisers simply don't pair that person or enter them into the event. I don't see any reason for the DOP or anyone else to get annoyed about it.



Grant Sv from Fitzroy Skittles thread
Even raising the issue shows some people are getting as delicate about these small things as Garvin in Queensland, and that's not a good sign.
Alex, I totally disagree with you on this one. I cant speak for Garvin and dont know what his opinion is on it, but I will certainly tell you my reasons:

When I put on a tournament, I like to give people the product which I have advertised. Notice that I keep a running "Latest List of Entries" on the forums so that people can see who will be playing. People will often play when they see that there are certain (usually strong) players playing. They enter the event because they have a chance to play these players - then when these players dont show up,

1. It makes me look dishonest - promoting a product that isnt quite like it seems.

2. It gives players less incentive to believe what the "latest list of entries" says on any MCC tournaments in future.

Lets use a hypothetical here: Imagine there was a tournament in Melbourne and a player from Brisbane or Perth rated 2375 was looking for an IM norm. He looks at the list of entries and sees that there are 7 IMs and 3 GMs playing. So he buys a plane ticket, books accomodation and spends a heap of money coming to Melbourne. Then when he shows up, there are only 4 IMs and 2 GMs - and thus it is going to be much harder to gain an IM norm.

Now while that example is slightly over the top, its no different to an 1100 rated player playing in an event because there are a lot of 1600 players who they can get experience against. If they turn up and there are hardly any 1600s, then they have every right to feel misled. 1800s are too hard for them but they dont learn enough off 1400s etc.

We want chess to grow and be more professional and we all complain when organisers dont run tournaments in a professional way, but the onus should also be on the players to conduct themselves properly too. We ALL want chess to grow dont we?

This is why when IM Leonid Sandler contacted me with short notice that he was unable to play, that I immediately got onto the forums and announced "Sandler is out!" This way, anyone who was going to play because they wanted to have a crack at Sandler wouldnt show up and feel misled. If I hadnt done anything about that, both myself (as an organiser) and Leonid (as a player) would have lost credibility.

I have no issue with players cancelling (as Leonid Sandler, Frank Lekkas, David Stimson etc did) - all they have to do is say that they cant play and I will take them off the list. It is when people say "put my name down, I will play" and then they dont show up that really annoys me. They should at least show the common courtesy to call me and tell me that they are not playing or even post on the forum that they cant play.

Organisers try their best to market an accurate product - yet what hope have they got of doing this when players simply dont keep their end of the bargain...

antichrist

no one likes premature withdrawers - it can be fixed you know