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**MOZ** · 06-20-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Icon

Originally Posted by MOZ

More analysis to come.

..........

Just to summarize analysis to date:

The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed.

The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win"

And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance.

More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far.

**MOZ** · 06-28-2011, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just to summarize analysis to date:

The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed.

The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win"

And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance.

More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far.

The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7.
He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament.
It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament.
Progressive metric is 2.5/4

**Iconoclast** · 06-29-2011, 12:47 AM

I am concerned that a sample size of four top ranks in one tournament is going to be used as evidence.

**MOZ** · 06-29-2011, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

I am concerned that a sample size of four top ranks in one tournament is going to be used as evidence.

Nope. Plenty more to come.

**MOZ** · 06-29-2011, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just to summarize analysis to date:

The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed.

The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win"

And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance.

More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far.
....
The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7.
He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament.
It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament.
Progressive metric is 2.5/4

The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied.
Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5

**MOZ** · 07-17-2011, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just to summarize analysis to date:

The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed.

The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win"

And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance.

More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far.
....
The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7.
He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament.
It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament.
Progressive metric is 2.5/4

The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied.
Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5

The sixth seed finished in equal 6-14th position.
He played 2 players in the top dozen seeds, and overall he played the last 5 rounds against players seeded 19th or below. His first round game was a real gimmee, and his second-round game was a moderate challenge. In my view this guy was probably happy with the structure of the Swiss tournament and our progressive metric (for competitive experiences in an open Swiss) becomes 4.5/6.

**MOZ** · 07-23-2011, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just to summarize analysis to date:

The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed.

The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win"

And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance.

More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far.
....
The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7.
He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament.
It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament.
Progressive metric is 2.5/4

The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied.
Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5

The sixth seed finished in equal 6-14th position.
He played 2 players in the top dozen seeds, and overall he played the last 5 rounds against players seeded 19th or below. His first round game was a real gimmee, and his second-round game was a moderate challenge. In my view this guy was probably happy with the structure of the Swiss tournament and our progressive metric (for competitive experiences in an open Swiss) becomes 4.5/6.

The seventh seed finished in equal 6-14th position and played the following seeds; 50, 74, 48, 32, 16, 9, 2. A mixed bag of opponents; a loss in round 1 to the 50th seed will cause substantial damage to the high seed's rating; the round 4 opponent was more than 400 rating points lower meaning so at that point the 7th seed had 'been on a hiding to nothing in seeking competitive games'. His enjoyment of the tournament may rest on his view of his final 3 games. I have my doubts, so I am updating the progressive metric to 4.5/7

**MOZ** · 08-12-2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Just to summarize analysis to date:

The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed.

The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win"

And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance.

More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far.
....
The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7.
He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament.
It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament.
Progressive metric is 2.5/4

The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied.
Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5

The sixth seed finished in equal 6-14th position.
He played 2 players in the top dozen seeds, and overall he played the last 5 rounds against players seeded 19th or below. His first round game was a real gimmee, and his second-round game was a moderate challenge. In my view this guy was probably happy with the structure of the Swiss tournament and our progressive metric (for competitive experiences in an open Swiss) becomes 4.5/6.

The seventh seed finished in equal 6-14th position and played the following seeds; 50, 74, 48, 32, 16, 9, 2. A mixed bag of opponents; a loss in round 1 to the 50th seed will cause substantial damage to the high seed's rating; the round 4 opponent was more than 400 rating points lower meaning so at that point the 7th seed had 'been on a hiding to nothing in seeking competitive games'. His enjoyment of the tournament may rest on his view of his final 3 games. I have my doubts, so I am updating the progressive metric to 4.5/7

The eighth seed finished on 5/7 but probably was disappointed with the filed he met; it was seeds 51, 28, 31, 23, 25, 13, 22. No-one at all in the top dozen players, even though our hero was 8th seed! Blame the tournament structure or blame the hero? Technically it is the latter because he dropped half points in rounds 2 and 4 to seeds 28 and 23. But from the perspective of customers perceived satisfaction, it could not be judged a competitive field he met. So the blame therefore rests with structure.
Progressive metric is now 4.5/8.

**Iconoclast** · 08-13-2011, 09:14 AM

This drip feed is a wonderful campaign teaser. When will the new model be released?

06-20-2011, 03:40 PM	#76 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Icon Originally Posted by MOZ More analysis to come. .......... Just to summarize analysis to date: The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed. The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win" And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance. More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-28-2011, 09:49 PM	#77 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by MOZ Just to summarize analysis to date: The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed. The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win" And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance. More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far. The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7. He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament. It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament. Progressive metric is 2.5/4 __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-29-2011, 12:47 AM	#78 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	I am concerned that a sample size of four top ranks in one tournament is going to be used as evidence. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

06-29-2011, 12:48 AM	#79 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by Iconoclast I am concerned that a sample size of four top ranks in one tournament is going to be used as evidence. Nope. Plenty more to come. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

06-29-2011, 10:08 PM	#80 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by MOZ Just to summarize analysis to date: The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed. The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win" And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance. More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far. .... The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7. He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament. It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament. Progressive metric is 2.5/4 The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied. Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5 __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

07-17-2011, 12:44 PM	#81 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by MOZ Just to summarize analysis to date: The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed. The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win" And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance. More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far. .... The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7. He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament. It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament. Progressive metric is 2.5/4 The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied. Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5 The sixth seed finished in equal 6-14th position. He played 2 players in the top dozen seeds, and overall he played the last 5 rounds against players seeded 19th or below. His first round game was a real gimmee, and his second-round game was a moderate challenge. In my view this guy was probably happy with the structure of the Swiss tournament and our progressive metric (for competitive experiences in an open Swiss) becomes 4.5/6. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

07-23-2011, 11:48 PM	#82 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by MOZ Just to summarize analysis to date: The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed. The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win" And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance. More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far. .... The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7. He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament. It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament. Progressive metric is 2.5/4 The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied. Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5 The sixth seed finished in equal 6-14th position. He played 2 players in the top dozen seeds, and overall he played the last 5 rounds against players seeded 19th or below. His first round game was a real gimmee, and his second-round game was a moderate challenge. In my view this guy was probably happy with the structure of the Swiss tournament and our progressive metric (for competitive experiences in an open Swiss) becomes 4.5/6. The seventh seed finished in equal 6-14th position and played the following seeds; 50, 74, 48, 32, 16, 9, 2. A mixed bag of opponents; a loss in round 1 to the 50th seed will cause substantial damage to the high seed's rating; the round 4 opponent was more than 400 rating points lower meaning so at that point the 7th seed had 'been on a hiding to nothing in seeking competitive games'. His enjoyment of the tournament may rest on his view of his final 3 games. I have my doubts, so I am updating the progressive metric to 4.5/7 __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

08-12-2011, 12:01 PM	#83 (permalink)
MOZ Volunteer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ozchess is the marginalised cyber-spot where cc-Mods choose to engage with cc-banned posters. Posts: 3,541	Originally Posted by MOZ Just to summarize analysis to date: The top seed "He tied for 3rd place overall on 5.5/7, and met not one of the top 14 players. In fact he played seeds 43, 22, 41, 33, 23, 19, 15."Probably was a disappointment to this top seed. The second seed won first prize (shared) "More than likely went home thinking a win is a win" And now to the third seed....won 5/7 games; played seeds 45,81,36,15,12,4,5 and must have thought he had an enjoyable chess long week-end on the basis of the last 4 games. (Losing to a 1-move mate in the final round and losing any chance at being in the money was a downside, but this guy had his competitive chance. More analysis to come. The SWISS has satisfied 2/3 so far. .... The fourth seed finished basically in his seeded position. (Equal 3rd to 5th). He scored 5.5 out of 7. He played 1 player in the top dozen seeds of the tournament. It is really borderline to think that he met his objective of being paired with a competitive field. Perhaps a three-way share of 3rd prize kept him thinking the cup is half full; but I am going to mark him as half-satisfied with the tournament. Progressive metric is 2.5/4 The fifth seed has much the same tournament experience as the second seed. So, judge this guy satisfied. Progressive player satisfaction-with-Swiss Metric 3.5/5 The sixth seed finished in equal 6-14th position. He played 2 players in the top dozen seeds, and overall he played the last 5 rounds against players seeded 19th or below. His first round game was a real gimmee, and his second-round game was a moderate challenge. In my view this guy was probably happy with the structure of the Swiss tournament and our progressive metric (for competitive experiences in an open Swiss) becomes 4.5/6. The seventh seed finished in equal 6-14th position and played the following seeds; 50, 74, 48, 32, 16, 9, 2. A mixed bag of opponents; a loss in round 1 to the 50th seed will cause substantial damage to the high seed's rating; the round 4 opponent was more than 400 rating points lower meaning so at that point the 7th seed had 'been on a hiding to nothing in seeking competitive games'. His enjoyment of the tournament may rest on his view of his final 3 games. I have my doubts, so I am updating the progressive metric to 4.5/7 The eighth seed finished on 5/7 but probably was disappointed with the filed he met; it was seeds 51, 28, 31, 23, 25, 13, 22. No-one at all in the top dozen players, even though our hero was 8th seed! Blame the tournament structure or blame the hero? Technically it is the latter because he dropped half points in rounds 2 and 4 to seeds 28 and 23. But from the perspective of customers perceived satisfaction, it could not be judged a competitive field he met. So the blame therefore rests with structure. Progressive metric is now 4.5/8. __________________ FReedom though Fischer-Random chess to enjoy the whole game.

08-13-2011, 09:14 AM	#84 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 2,302	This drip feed is a wonderful campaign teaser. When will the new model be released? __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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