Calvin

The following is an interview with new MCC president Grant Szuveges, who is doing an excellent job so far! I edited out portions of the questions for the sake of brevity.

Did you have some idea of what led to the MCC's let us just say "near" demise.

I think that the main problem at the MCC was just general neglect. A lot of people involved had been there for a very long time and probably hadnt realised how bad it had got. When someone is around something for so long, they simply get used to it and don't recognise that it may be a problem. Often someone who hasn't been involved for a while (like me in this case) can come in and notice things which aren't going well because they don't see them every day. Although most of the people did (and still do) care about the club, they probably weren't able to (1) identify something as a problem and (2) do anything about the problem. An example of the sort of conversations I was having with people in very early February would go something like this:

Grant Szuveges: When did the floors last get vacuumed?
MCC member X: 10 months ago.
GS: 10 months ago??? Why havnt they been done since?
X: We dont have a vacuum cleaner - it broke.
GS: Why didn't you buy a new one?
X: So and so said they would buy a new one.
GS: When?
X: 8 months ago.
GS: Why haven't the committee held so and so to their word?

Another example might go:

GS: Why is the kitchen a mess?
X: What do you mean?
GS: Well there is a broken kettle on the shelf.
X: Yeah, its broken.
GS: Why didnt it get thrown out?
X: It wouldn't fit in the bin.
GS: Why not take it and all the other rubbish to the tip?
X: We may be able to fix it.
GS: Why do you need to fix it when you also have one the works?

And this sums up part of the problem - people were too worried about spending money, maybe because others would've criticised them for doing so. Whenever someone wants to spend money, someone will say "No, wait, don't do it - my great uncle's best friend's brother may do it for $20 less" so something. A trip to the tip costs $30 but a clean kitchen may attract a new member paying $150. You need things done quickly and professionally. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. The club had developed a culture of penny pinching and a real poverty mentality. Since we cleaned it up, we have gained more members - thus proving my point. It really needed to be reinvigorated and looked at objectively by people who hadn't been involved for a while and who have exposure to the real world and normal business practices. Hard decisions had to be made and the situation had to be looked at honestly - with problems being acknowledged and solved. Too many issues were being shirked or ignored.

In your business plan for the MCC, the so-called "Szuveges' Plan", you spoke of greater transparency and accountability. Tell me how you'll achieve those.

We have already achieved these. Financially, we have a new, simple, easy to use and easy to understand system of book-keeping. Every cent that goes in and out of the club is accounted for and signed for. Members can look at this if they wish to. We have also taken the time to explain (and even rave on about) the things we are doing at the club. We are being upfront with our members about how much things cost and what we are spending money on. We have also publicly stated that if any of our members have grievances, then we will answer them and listen to them. We achieve transparency by keeping people informed and accountability by doing what we say we will do. An example is the Saturday Allegro. We stated that it will be on every Saturday - and it has been, even when it has clashed with other events. We promised it, and it is on EVERY week. It is geneally successful but sometimes it makes a loss. However, it has gained us so many new members (particularly juniors and new players) that we are more than happy to absorb small short-term losses for a huge big-picture long-term gain. We must continue to follow through with things we promise, for example we will get the toilets renovated because we said that we would...

Your plan also includes an aspect of revenue-raising, specifically by renting out space. Is there no risk that the MCC could lose sight of its core business - the chess bit?

No chance - the MCC is first and foremost a chess club, and our committee never ever loses sight of this. At the MCC, chess comes first with all forms of the game (long games, allegro, blitz, analysing, etc) being given time. We would only rent out space at non-chess times such as Tuesday morning from 7am to 10am for a yoga class for example. We won’t be taking anything away from chess time. We need to use our building to raise revenue, but not at times when members use it for chess. When you have an asset like our building (or my FM title - from your earlier question) then you should use it. It is like in chess - play to your strengths, not your weaknesses. We wont really be looking much at renting space out until the renovations are done anyway.

You say your long-term aim is to increase membership numbers. Where are you going to get these people from?

What do you mean "where WILL we get them from"? We have already got 98 or them now!!! We have 98 members - it’s a huge mark-up on last year’s numbers. Where did they come from? A lot are former members who were sick of the club for whatever reason, many are people from other clubs who heard about what we were doing, many are juniors who get coaching at the club and play allegro. Actually allegro has given us lots of new members. If you hold more events, you will attract more people - and of course, some of these people will become members... We just did a huge publicity drive through libraries, neighbourhood houses and community centres - just last week. So hopefully we get some through there. Kids are the important one though as they tell their friends and you often get bigger numbers of them at once. We need a core group of kids who not only join, but also take ownership and start viewing themselves as 'MCC players' rather than just 'chess players' to create a culture of being proud of the club. Last year, we only had 3 members under 18, this year we have 9 already (with more expected to sign next week) - and they are playing at MCC regularly. I know that its only small compared to some other clubs, but it will grow. The adults are great with them too - they don’t talk down to them or get annoyed if they make a bit much noise - I think that they like their enthusiasm as it gives the atmosphere at the club much more of a buzz. Its also great to see so many of their parents around too - this creates an even better vibe - a family vibe. When new kids or adults join the MCC, we want them to feel like the club is saying to them "welcome to the family". Successful clubs (in all sports) make new people feel like this. We also need to concentrate on attracting more members who are in the 1000-1350 rating strength bracket. We are doing this gradually but we would love more of them. A core group of these players is crucial to a club, as new players come in, give them a game and actually put up a fight. If new players play against people who are too strong (1800 for example), they lose game after game and then lose interest. If they are able to win a few or at least be competitive, they realise that they can succeed and will stay. A core group of 15-20 players under 1350 is vital for our club to survive and prosper (together with a core group of juniors). If you are a player in that category and want to be part of this exciting time in our club, please come in or contact me.

If we see a migration of players from Box Hill or Croydon or whatever, will these other clubs not be too impressed?

We have good relations with the other Melbourne clubs and have no interest in poaching their players. If our club is good enough, players from other clubs will come along and play anyway. We have a great relationship with Box Hill chess club and we try not to schedule things which clash with them, as they are the closest club to us. Of course some of our events clash with those of other clubs, but that happens when a club is open 7 days per week. Players are allowed to belong to more than one club, and many of our members belong to other clubs too. There are no issues there - not that we know about anyway. We advertise other clubs events and they advertise ours too. Instead of poaching players, its more important to build the club from the ground up - ie with juniors and weaker adults - this way we create our own players rather than take players who already have loyalties to other clubs. We know that if our club is good enough, and provides enough for its members, we will get more of them - and that is exactly what is happening now.

What's the future like for the club?

Who knows - the sky is the limit! I think that the future is looking very, very bright. It’s so bright that we will have to wear shades! Seriously though, it is very bright. BUT, it will only stay bright if we keep working hard, and the club itself (ie. the members) keep working hard. At some point in the future, we will hand over the reigns to someone else and we need to be constantly on the lookout for people who will be good for the place and get them involved and train them up - its all part of the 'good culture' thing I talk about a lot. When the culture is good, and things are being done, everyone seems to jump on board and contribute too - this has been exactly what has happened since February. We are way ahead of where we thought we would be at this stage of the year! What does it all mean in concrete terms though? Well I don’t know - historians are all very good at predicting the past - the future is anyone’s guess, but it is not unrealistic that in 20 years time the MCC could be making millions and paying their executives $100,000 per year and their players’ big wages too. I know it sounds odd, but think back to 20 years ago - who would’ve thought that there would’ve been numerous coaching companies making a fortune coaching in schools - Cordover was in primary school, Speck was in high school and Johansen was working in a snooker parlour making coffee! Who would’ve thought that chess would be encouraged in schools? Did anyone think that we would have 3 GMs in Australia with another one on the way? Did anyone think that we would have international GMs regularly playing in Australia? Did anyone predict the internet or digital chess clocks or an age without adjourned games? 20 years ago to this day, the Cold War was still alive and the iron curtain was still up across Europe - no historians predicted what would happen in a few months times - nobody would’ve thought that you could walk across from Germany or Austria to what was then Czechoslovakia or to Hungary without even having to show a passport. If you predicted this, people would’ve said you were crazy. Even historians couldn’t predict this - I know this stuff as I am studying it at the moment. But back to the future of the MCC, I’m not saying that huge will definitely will happen, but they could happen. The sky really is the limit - unless we play chess in space one day. Having said this though, any ongoing improvement would still be great. The MCC has been around for over 140 years, and I want it to be around for another 140 years - I want it to be around a lot longer than any of us...

Does Grant Szuveges has any higher political ambitions. Chess Victoria, the ACF?

No - not really. I don’t love Chess Victoria or the ACF. I love the MCC, it is special to me. If I had higher political ambitions, I’d aim to be the PM, not the ACF president! I’m doing what I’m doing because it means a lot to me - a job with Chess Victoria or the ACF wouldn’t be the same - it would be like barracking for a different football team – I’m an MCC person. I may change my mind if they offered me $500,000 per year though (you never know the future), but even if this ridiculous suggestion did occur one day, I would finish the job I started at the MCC, because that is what is important to me. (on that sort of money, Id finance all of the renovations myself). After I finish all of this (whenever that may be) I'd prefer to go to Africa and do some safaris and do some volunteer work with wild animals there, keeping them alive and safe - that is something that is also important to me. I think that I may be fed up with chess by then.

justaknight

I certainly hope brevity was one of the reasons the original place of publication of Grant's interview was deleted! Otherwise, one might be led to a) the (false) impression that this is the outlet of the original publication and/or
b) that you failed to acknowledge the hard and commentable work of other people who actually did all the hard work for you to just copy and paste it!
AO correct this immediately pls!

Firegoat7

An interview with the current MCC president gets cut an pasted on this board, partly because a number of people who may like to pass comment are banned for life on Chesschat for no particular sensible reason.

To prevent a) why not just republish your own work here. You are both a member of Ozchess and a member of MCC. A lot of people here do not read chesschat, but may like to read your work.

In relation to b) It ought to be remembered that Chesschat members are banned from linking to Ozchess. Linking to the original article would make sense, but unfortunately, its not a level playing field between the two sites. So whilst it may be undesirable for Ozchess members to cut n paste interesting posts on Chesschat, it is certainly understandable why such practices occur. Lets face it some people are not even allowed to link to ANY Ozchess article on Chesschat or, quote a banned user.

cheers,

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Comeback Kid

Hi Justaknight

I have just read an email from the Closet Grandmaster requesting that it be acknowledged that his site is the original source of the interview. I do not think anyone meant anyone else any offence.

That said, if TCG had not emailed me, I would not have known what the original source of the interview was. And moreover Justaknight, please be honest, its not like your Chess Chat mates have never stolen material from this site before, and then republished it on Chess Chat - and yet on those occasions you have been silent. That is not to say anyone stole anything on this occasion, Calvin probably made a small oversight which has now been corrected.

To that end I am happy to give Amiel the credit he deserves for putting together a nice interview.

His site can be linked to from OzChess' homepage in the Australian Chess Blog section to the left hand side of your screen.

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justaknight

Hi David, this wasn't my interview with Grant, it was published in the Closed Grandmanster's blog as AO points out in the post following yours.
My responsibility to the CLub (MCC that is) as it was spelled out by the President Grant Szuveges was until recently that my responsibility would be to post his press releases etc in the Chess Chat whilst yours would be to post this material here! I say "very recently" because I am about now to return to work after a very lenghty period of leave.
The issue here is not cutting and pasting material but acknowledging sources.
Not doing so, would inadvertently create confusion as it happened in your and in my case! Not knowing that Ariel had published an interview with Grant, I thought at the beginning that it was my interview that was published here, and so was the person who actually e-mailed me to let me know!
Under no circumstances was there a spite thing, aiming at creating further frinction between the Fora!
Cheers!
Elliott

Comeback Kid

Thank you for the clarification Elliot. Now hopefully everyone can get along, and look forward to tomorrow.

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justaknight

Hi AO, as I explained to David, that was not a matter of offence. The omisiion created confusion and missunderstanding!
I also, did not know the original source until i was informed by a third party that this was the case. At the same time I received an email, by MCC's President Grant Szuveges, CCed to Amiel, that this should not become an issue and should be settled immediately, or words to that extent.
Now, that's nonsensical finger pointing with no reference to specific examples. I, honestly don't know what you are talking about in this case so no response, thanks!
None spoke of stealing! I referred to Calvin's (I do not know who Calvin is by the way) brevity as the plausible reason for the omission underlining "was" as part of that sentense!
Indeed he is doing a great job and I always read his blog! It's a must for me!
Good move!
Cheers!
Elliott

MOZ

hi Elliott
There are 237 posts in this chesschat thread. Starting at about post #7 there is fair evidence that material is being lifted from Alex's site, massaged/paraphrased/twisted and even on a few occasions refuted.
I can't recall a single instance in that long thread where it has been sourced to ozchess.com.au


Luv your interviews btw.

regards
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Firegoat7

My apologies. I presumed it was an interview you had done on Chesschat. I don't read chesschat, nor do I read the closet grandmaster, so please forgive my ignorance.

I have no formal responsibility to MCC for posting its news on Ozchess.
I simply told Grant that if he emailed me items I would put the up. I'm starting to reconsider this position now. May aswell cut out the middle man me thinks.

I also think its very healthy to encourage all members to post on forums about things that concern them. I still don't really understand why people send me their games to post on ozchess, from events like the club championship. Surely they could just put there own games on the site anyway. I mean it can't be more effort then a mouseclick or two.


To be honest, my personal opinion is that it doesn't matter. If the confusion creates conversation between people then that is probably a positive not a negative.

I understand. I never presumed it was a spite thing. I simply stated I read Ozchess and don't read Chesschat and that I would like to read your interviews on Ozchess. And that goes for Amiels interviews also LoL.

cheers,

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Noddy

I stopped caring a long time ago.

Jaydon

Agreed

MOZ

hi Elliott
Good to hear you are up and about.

The principle that you raise in your above post is well phrased by you. It is politeness at its core and removes the possibility that selective cut-and-paste distorts the original posters intent.

regards
MOZ*

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Sobriquet

Is the Elwood Bendigo weekender about to morph into the Fitzroy Bendigo weekender?

The reform committee at the MCC is considering options for their Melbourne Cup weekend timeslot.

Personally, I like the St Kilda town hall venue. But it takes a lot to resource a tournament and Elwood CC numbers have declined dangerously.

Comeback Kid

Good question!

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Grant Szuveges

Hi everyone.

Im very proud to announce that the MCC now has 130 members for 2009!!!