Ruy Lopez - Missed Opportunity - OzChess

**Dragon-Fly** · 11-19-2008, 11:20 PM

In GM Zong's game 5, I have added a new line.

**Dragon-Fly** · 11-19-2008, 11:50 PM

It might help if I actually uploaded the game instead of thinking it would magically appear on its own.

**Dragon-Fly** · 11-19-2008, 11:53 PM

I have added annotation and 2 different lines to the game above. Basically my argument is that if white played 13.) b5 instead of Bg5 he would have had a winning game for sure!

**Caligulette** · 11-22-2008, 02:25 PM

I agree that 13.) b5 looks like a really good move, but these are Grandmasters so maybe they know something that the rest of us mortals don't.

**Hordac** · 12-01-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Caligulette

I agree that 13.) b5 looks like a really good move, but these are Grandmasters so maybe they know something that the rest of us mortals don't.

The variation above does not constitute best play by black.

**Ehm TO** · 01-13-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hordac

The variation above does not constitute best play by black.

Well then enlighten us. What is the best line he should play?

**Hordac** · 01-21-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Well then enlighten us. What is the best line he should play?

Do you mean after 3. Bb5

**Simon** · 09-18-2009, 05:38 AM

I don't think white's mistake was Bg5. I think after black Rb8 white should have Bxf6. I think that would have given white a better chance.

**LMatheson** · 09-18-2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dragon-Fly

I have added annotation and 2 different lines to the game above. Basically my argument is that if white played 13.) b5 instead of Bg5 he would have had a winning game for sure!

I think maybe b5 then black plays Nd4. White must take and then black takes back with the bishop and there are two pawns on (e4 and b5). Oh, just spotted, after axb5 axb5 black can play Bxf2+ and pick up the exchange.

**Just2Good** · 09-18-2009, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by LMatheson

I think maybe b5 then black plays Nd4. White must take and then black takes back with the bishop and there are two pawns on (e4 and b5). Oh, just spotted, after axb5 axb5 black can play Bxf2+ and pick up the exchange.

I don't understand what the line is. Can we start from move one?

**LMatheson** · 09-18-2009, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I don't understand what the line is. Can we start from move one?

13.b5 axb5
14.axb5 Bxf2+ and 15...Rxa1 picking up the exchange.

That alright?

**Simon** · 09-20-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by LMatheson

I think maybe b5 then black plays Nd4. White must take and then black takes back with the bishop and there are two pawns on (e4 and b5). Oh, just spotted, after axb5 axb5 black can play Bxf2+ and pick up the exchange.

After that for black Rxa1 which forces white to chose between the Knight or Bishop. Wait, I thought we were trying to solve for white.

**fix_peat** · 05-11-2010, 02:02 AM

i strongly disagree....your correction is not a good move at all, i don see white winning after b5 other than being biased(one sided)

**Just2Good** · 05-11-2010, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by fix_peat

i strongly disagree....your correction is not a good move at all, i don see white winning after b5 other than being biased(one sided)

I am unsure what line everyone is talking about. Okay fix_peat, what is the line you think doesn't lead to a good position?

**fix_peat** · 05-12-2010, 03:05 AM

what is white s next move after black s 13--. Nb4 instead of axb5.....Just2Good????

11-19-2008, 11:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dragon-Fly Red Baron Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	Ruy Lopez - Missed Opportunity In GM Zong's game 5, I have added a new line.

12-01-2008, 01:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hordac Down at the Pub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Originally Posted by Caligulette I agree that 13.) b5 looks like a really good move, but these are Grandmasters so maybe they know something that the rest of us mortals don't. The variation above does not constitute best play by black.

01-13-2009, 04:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ehm TO Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 314	Originally Posted by Hordac The variation above does not constitute best play by black. Well then enlighten us. What is the best line he should play?

01-21-2009, 03:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hordac Down at the Pub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26	Originally Posted by Sovereign Well then enlighten us. What is the best line he should play? Do you mean after 3. Bb5

09-18-2009, 10:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by Dragon-Fly I have added annotation and 2 different lines to the game above. Basically my argument is that if white played 13.) b5 instead of Bg5 he would have had a winning game for sure! I think maybe b5 then black plays Nd4. White must take and then black takes back with the bishop and there are two pawns on (e4 and b5). Oh, just spotted, after axb5 axb5 black can play Bxf2+ and pick up the exchange.

11-19-2008, 11:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dragon-Fly Red Baron Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	I have added annotation and 2 different lines to the game above. Basically my argument is that if white played 13.) b5 instead of Bg5 he would have had a winning game for sure!

11-22-2008, 02:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
Caligulette Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 26	I agree that 13.) b5 looks like a really good move, but these are Grandmasters so maybe they know something that the rest of us mortals don't.

09-18-2009, 05:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 162	I don't think white's mistake was Bg5. I think after black Rb8 white should have Bxf6. I think that would have given white a better chance.

09-18-2009, 08:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by LMatheson I think maybe b5 then black plays Nd4. White must take and then black takes back with the bishop and there are two pawns on (e4 and b5). Oh, just spotted, after axb5 axb5 black can play Bxf2+ and pick up the exchange. I don't understand what the line is. Can we start from move one? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

09-18-2009, 11:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
LMatheson Siberian Chess Cub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I don't understand what the line is. Can we start from move one? 13.b5 axb5 14.axb5 Bxf2+ and 15...Rxa1 picking up the exchange. That alright?

09-20-2009, 11:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
Simon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 162	Originally Posted by LMatheson I think maybe b5 then black plays Nd4. White must take and then black takes back with the bishop and there are two pawns on (e4 and b5). Oh, just spotted, after axb5 axb5 black can play Bxf2+ and pick up the exchange. After that for black Rxa1 which forces white to chose between the Knight or Bishop. Wait, I thought we were trying to solve for white.

05-11-2010, 02:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
fix_peat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: melbourne, clayton Posts: 14	i strongly disagree....your correction is not a good move at all, i don see white winning after b5 other than being biased(one sided)

05-11-2010, 07:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,056 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by fix_peat i strongly disagree....your correction is not a good move at all, i don see white winning after b5 other than being biased(one sided) I am unsure what line everyone is talking about. Okay fix_peat, what is the line you think doesn't lead to a good position? __________________ . "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." ~ Buckminster Fuller ~

05-12-2010, 03:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
fix_peat Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: melbourne, clayton Posts: 14	what is white s next move after black s 13--. Nb4 instead of axb5.....Just2Good????

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