Grandmaster Theatre - Obvious Conclusion - OzChess

**Just2Good** · 08-26-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by CC Shoutbox

25-08-2007 Bill Gletsos - also Gunner (ACF rating) has gone past AO
25-08-2007 Boris - lol nice
25-08-2007 Boris - due to a manual adjustment, AO's rating = 0

Let us examine the recent game between myself and Howard Duggan, to determine whose chess skills are better reflected by the new ACF ratings.

White: Alex
Black: Howard

Howard plays the Centre Counter Gambit, big mistake. Passive-responsive openings never fare well against attacking players such as myself.

The attack begins with a c4 pawn push attacking Black's awkwardly placed Queen!

**Just2Good** · 08-26-2007, 08:35 PM

Howard concedes the centre and allows numerous drak square weaknesses. The clock is ticking, has anyone made out their last requests?

The noose tighens with b4, similiar to the way GM Karpov used to tighten them. I observe the best in order to dominate like the best.

**Just2Good** · 08-26-2007, 08:39 PM

Someone could readily be excused for thinking Howard is playing Deep Blue. But alas, it is simply my positional strength dominating the board. I thought the Rook choking Black's position would be a nice touch, as well as the best move on the board at the time.

The attack continues with h4. White has forced the pace of the game from move one. I usually feel badly that my opponents have to squirm in the unpleasant positions I create for them, but for some reason I didn't feel that this time.

**Just2Good** · 08-26-2007, 08:42 PM

The second best attacking line gives Howard a glimmer of hope. Where did I put my extinguisher again?

Finally, Howard abandons his Queenside pawns allowing the Qe4+. Farewell Queenside pawns. I shall miss you!

**Just2Good** · 08-26-2007, 08:48 PM

The best moves Black has at this point are futile, so Howard cannot be blamed for stuffing up an already stuffed up position.

And the final dagger through the heart was Rook to a8, at which point, to his credit, Howard civily resigned and said good game.

I also wish to note that Howard, several times during the game, went outside to smoke cigarettes! This, despite his repeated, annoying, little dancing man on CC stating that he was 6 months smoke free, or messages along those lines. As such, he smelled worse than an ashtray.

Now I ask, why should I, a non-smoker, have to smell those noxious fumes emanating from my opponent? Where is the fairness? Accordingly, I can perfectly understand when Phil complained about the lack of foot hygene of a certain Tasmanian chess player who disrupted his game.

The full Alex vs Howard Duggan game can be found here:

Game

And, coming soon, more exciting and adventurous Grandmaster Theatre!!!!

**Egor** · 08-27-2007, 10:17 AM

The thing I most about this thread is your humility!:rolleyes::p

**Just2Good** · 09-07-2007, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

The thing I most about this thread is your humility!:rolleyes::p

More Grandmaster Theatre coming next week!

**Pax** · 09-25-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Egor

The thing I most about this thread is your humility!:rolleyes::p

That, and an extremely shallow understanding of the game..

**Just2Good** · 09-25-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Pax

That, and an extremely shallow understanding of the game..

Oh No!!!!

I've just been insulted by Jonathan Paxman, ACF Rating 1764! He must have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much chess understanding.

Yes, I do believe he is the strongest chess player alive, and ever born for that matter. Quite puffed up with his 1764, and rightly so. Its not like I have ever held a higher rating in Australia, ever, and therefore I should humbly submit to his genius.

AO

**Pax** · 09-25-2007, 06:03 PM

Key point here, is that I am not bragging about how brilliant I am, and comparing myself to Karpov...

**Just2Good** · 09-25-2007, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Pax

Key point here, is that I am not bragging about how brilliant I am, and comparing myself to Karpov...

I was perfectly entitled to talk the game up after your best mate Bill Gletsos made disparaging remarks about how Howard Duggan's rating is now higher than mine. Obviously as this game shows that such ratings are clearly inaccurate and unreliable.

And in case you missed it, I was being sarcastic - I have held a higher rating than you in Queensland. They go up, they go down, they really matter to the extent of zero when you meet face to face over the board. I hope I do meet you over the board Pax, guess that depends on whether you can make it up here or I down there.

AO

**Pax** · 09-26-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

I was perfectly entitled to talk the game up after your best mate Bill Gletsos made disparaging remarks about how Howard Duggan's rating is now higher than mine. Obviously as this game shows that such ratings are clearly inaccurate and unreliable.

You are once again exposing your complete lack of comprehension of the point of ratings. GM Milos Pavlovic (2541) was just beaten by Oliver Jackson (2198) in Isle of Man. Does this prove that their FIDE ratings are "inaccurate and unreliable"? Not at all.

Ratings only provide for a probabilistic prediction of the result of a particular match-up. One game between players less than 200 points apart proves exactly nothing about the rating system. In this case, you also had the white pieces, which enhances your chances a priori. Beat Howard Duggan by a substantial margin in a match of twenty games, and then you can start talking about inaccurate ratings.

And in case you missed it, I was being sarcastic - I have held a higher rating than you in Queensland.

And your point is?

They go up, they go down, they really matter to the extent of zero when you meet face to face over the board.

This much I agree with. There is no point in dwelling on statistics when you are sitting at the table - any player can lose any game.

I hope I do meet you over the board Pax, guess that depends on whether you can make it up here or I down there.

Pretty unlikely, since "down there" will pretty soon become "over there"..

**Gendo Ikari** · 10-02-2007, 09:35 PM

I found your comments funny. You have a good sense of humour AO.

08-26-2007, 08:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Grandmaster Theatre - Obvious Conclusion Originally Posted by CC Shoutbox 25-08-2007 Bill Gletsos - also Gunner (ACF rating) has gone past AO 25-08-2007 Boris - lol nice 25-08-2007 Boris - due to a manual adjustment, AO's rating = 0 Let us examine the recent game between myself and Howard Duggan, to determine whose chess skills are better reflected by the new ACF ratings. White: Alex Black: Howard Howard plays the Centre Counter Gambit, big mistake. Passive-responsive openings never fare well against attacking players such as myself. The attack begins with a c4 pawn push attacking Black's awkwardly placed Queen! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-26-2007, 08:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Howard concedes the centre and allows numerous drak square weaknesses. The clock is ticking, has anyone made out their last requests? The noose tighens with b4, similiar to the way GM Karpov used to tighten them. I observe the best in order to dominate like the best. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-26-2007, 08:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Someone could readily be excused for thinking Howard is playing Deep Blue. But alas, it is simply my positional strength dominating the board. I thought the Rook choking Black's position would be a nice touch, as well as the best move on the board at the time. The attack continues with h4. White has forced the pace of the game from move one. I usually feel badly that my opponents have to squirm in the unpleasant positions I create for them, but for some reason I didn't feel that this time. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-26-2007, 08:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	The second best attacking line gives Howard a glimmer of hope. Where did I put my extinguisher again? Finally, Howard abandons his Queenside pawns allowing the Qe4+. Farewell Queenside pawns. I shall miss you! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-26-2007, 08:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	The best moves Black has at this point are futile, so Howard cannot be blamed for stuffing up an already stuffed up position. And the final dagger through the heart was Rook to a8, at which point, to his credit, Howard civily resigned and said good game. I also wish to note that Howard, several times during the game, went outside to smoke cigarettes! This, despite his repeated, annoying, little dancing man on CC stating that he was 6 months smoke free, or messages along those lines. As such, he smelled worse than an ashtray. Now I ask, why should I, a non-smoker, have to smell those noxious fumes emanating from my opponent? Where is the fairness? Accordingly, I can perfectly understand when Phil complained about the lack of foot hygene of a certain Tasmanian chess player who disrupted his game. The full Alex vs Howard Duggan game can be found here: *Game* And, coming soon, more exciting and adventurous Grandmaster Theatre!!!! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

08-27-2007, 10:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Egor Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 49	The thing I most about this thread is your humility!:rolleyes::p

09-07-2007, 04:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Egor The thing I most about this thread is your humility!:rolleyes::p More Grandmaster Theatre coming next week! __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-25-2007, 01:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pax Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 34	Originally Posted by Egor The thing I most about this thread is your humility!:rolleyes::p That, and an extremely shallow understanding of the game..

09-25-2007, 05:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Paxman is a Chess Genius!!! Originally Posted by Pax That, and an extremely shallow understanding of the game.. Oh No!!!! I've just been insulted by Jonathan Paxman, ACF Rating 1764! He must have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much chess understanding. Yes, I do believe he is the strongest chess player alive, and ever born for that matter. Quite puffed up with his 1764, and rightly so. Its not like I have ever held a higher rating in Australia, ever, and therefore I should humbly submit to his genius. AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-25-2007, 06:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pax Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 34	Key point here, is that I am not bragging about how brilliant I am, and comparing myself to Karpov...

09-25-2007, 07:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by Pax Key point here, is that I am not bragging about how brilliant I am, and comparing myself to Karpov... I was perfectly entitled to talk the game up after your best mate Bill Gletsos made disparaging remarks about how Howard Duggan's rating is now higher than mine. Obviously as this game shows that such ratings are clearly inaccurate and unreliable. And in case you missed it, I was being sarcastic - I have held a higher rating than you in Queensland. They go up, they go down, they really matter to the extent of zero when you meet face to face over the board. I hope I do meet you over the board Pax, guess that depends on whether you can make it up here or I down there. AO __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-26-2007, 11:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
Pax Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 34	Originally Posted by Arrogant-One I was perfectly entitled to talk the game up after your best mate Bill Gletsos made disparaging remarks about how Howard Duggan's rating is now higher than mine. Obviously as this game shows that such ratings are clearly inaccurate and unreliable. You are once again exposing your complete lack of comprehension of the point of ratings. GM Milos Pavlovic (2541) was just beaten by Oliver Jackson (2198) in Isle of Man. Does this prove that their FIDE ratings are "inaccurate and unreliable"? Not at all. Ratings only provide for a probabilistic prediction of the result of a particular match-up. One game between players less than 200 points apart proves exactly nothing about the rating system. In this case, you also had the white pieces, which enhances your chances a priori. Beat Howard Duggan by a substantial margin in a match of twenty games, and then you can start talking about inaccurate ratings. And in case you missed it, I was being sarcastic - I have held a higher rating than you in Queensland. And your point is? They go up, they go down, they really matter to the extent of zero when you meet face to face over the board. This much I agree with. There is no point in dwelling on statistics when you are sitting at the table - any player can lose any game. I hope I do meet you over the board Pax, guess that depends on whether you can make it up here or I down there. Pretty unlikely, since "down there" will pretty soon become "over there"..

10-02-2007, 09:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Gendo Ikari Director Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 99	I found your comments funny. You have a good sense of humour AO.

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