Possible "Queen sac" in Lekkas-Blackman - OzChess

**Lekko** · 09-26-2010, 03:15 AM

Here's an interesting line in my game with jaydon...

**Jaydon** · 09-26-2010, 03:21 AM

That is very intersting, turns out even if you did 'screw' up it wouldn't have even been that disastrous. In fact I don't really like that position much, although the position I ended up reaching in the actual continuation wasn't very flash either.. To be honest I didn't even bother looking at it past Bh3+ during the game

**Lekko** · 09-26-2010, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

That is very intersting, turns out even if you did 'screw' up it wouldn't have even been that disastrous. In fact I don't really like that position much, although the position I ended up reaching in the actual continuation wasn't very flash either.. To be honest I didn't even bother looking at it past Bh3+ during the game

Neither of us did, it just looks winning for black.

**Just2Good** · 09-26-2010, 11:51 AM

After 4. Nf5, in my view, white has the commanding position and is better overall.

**Igor Goldenberg** · 09-28-2010, 02:55 PM

How white is going to improve after 4...Qe6 ?

**Lekko** · 09-29-2010, 01:41 AM

What do you suggest black play after Rf4?

**Igor Goldenberg** · 10-05-2010, 03:49 PM

Bf6 to parry Rg4+ with Kf8

**Jaydon** · 10-05-2010, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

Bf6 to parry Rg4+ with Kf8

What about something like d5, I think Qe5 is the only move that makes sense there
Then Nh6+ check, king moves and white forks the queen and bishop

**Lekko** · 10-05-2010, 04:08 PM

d5, idea is Nh6+, followed by Rg4+ and Rg8+ winning the rook on a8 if the queen goes to d7.

And if you go to e5, the line Jaydon suggests gives white an advantage.

**Jaydon** · 10-05-2010, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

d5, idea is Nh6+, followed by Rg4+ and Rg8+ winning the rook on a8 if the queen goes to d7.

And if you go to e5, the line Jaydon suggests gives white an advantage.

But wouldn't the king go to f8 to avoid that

EDIT: ahh ok but where else does that queen go after d5..?

**Lekko** · 10-05-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

Just take the queen off with the knight if he goes to d7 yeah?

Knights' on f5 good sir.

**Jaydon** · 10-05-2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid

Knights' on f5 good sir.

Yeah my viewer didn't show the letter and I thought d was e for a second

**Igor Goldenberg** · 10-06-2010, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jaydon

What about something like d5, I think Qe5 is the only move that makes sense there
Then Nh6+ check, king moves and white forks the queen and bishop

d5 is strong, missed the fork. Kf8 can be met with with Rh7 Bf6 Nh6 Ke8 d5
Looks like white can equalise in most or all variations.

**Lekko** · 10-06-2010, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

d5 is strong, missed the fork. Kf8 can be met with with Rh7 Bf6 Nh6 Ke8 d5
Looks like white can equalise in most or all variations.

Yes, its an incredible position. Looks like black's best chance is to give the queen back and go for the ending pawn down. However white's active pieces and extra material should be enough to secure a win.

09-26-2010, 03:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Jaydon That is very intersting, turns out even if you did 'screw' up it wouldn't have even been that disastrous. In fact I don't really like that position much, although the position I ended up reaching in the actual continuation wasn't very flash either.. To be honest I didn't even bother looking at it past Bh3+ during the game Neither of us did, it just looks winning for black. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

09-26-2010, 11:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	After 4. Nf5, in my view, white has the commanding position and is better overall. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-28-2010, 02:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	How white is going to improve after 4...Qe6 ? __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

09-29-2010, 01:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	What do you suggest black play after Rf4? __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

10-05-2010, 03:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Bf6 to parry Rg4+ with Kf8 __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

09-26-2010, 03:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	That is very intersting, turns out even if you did 'screw' up it wouldn't have even been that disastrous. In fact I don't really like that position much, although the position I ended up reaching in the actual continuation wasn't very flash either.. To be honest I didn't even bother looking at it past Bh3+ during the game

10-05-2010, 04:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg Bf6 to parry Rg4+ with Kf8 What about something like d5, I think Qe5 is the only move that makes sense there Then Nh6+ check, king moves and white forks the queen and bishop

10-05-2010, 04:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	d5, idea is Nh6+, followed by Rg4+ and Rg8+ winning the rook on a8 if the queen goes to d7. And if you go to e5, the line Jaydon suggests gives white an advantage. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

10-05-2010, 04:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid d5, idea is Nh6+, followed by Rg4+ and Rg8+ winning the rook on a8 if the queen goes to d7. And if you go to e5, the line Jaydon suggests gives white an advantage. But wouldn't the king go to f8 to avoid that EDIT: ahh ok but where else does that queen go after d5..?

10-05-2010, 04:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Jaydon Just take the queen off with the knight if he goes to d7 yeah? Knights' on f5 good sir. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

10-05-2010, 04:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jaydon SCTC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Queensland, Gold Coast Posts: 1,101 ICC Handle: Aussieboy007 FICS Handle: Bermusia	Originally Posted by Heartbreak Kid Knights' on f5 good sir. Yeah my viewer didn't show the letter and I thought d was e for a second

10-06-2010, 09:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Jaydon What about something like d5, I think Qe5 is the only move that makes sense there Then Nh6+ check, king moves and white forks the queen and bishop d5 is strong, missed the fork. Kf8 can be met with with Rh7 Bf6 Nh6 Ke8 d5 Looks like white can equalise in most or all variations. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

10-06-2010, 04:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg d5 is strong, missed the fork. Kf8 can be met with with Rh7 Bf6 Nh6 Ke8 d5 Looks like white can equalise in most or all variations. Yes, its an incredible position. Looks like black's best chance is to give the queen back and go for the ending pawn down. However white's active pieces and extra material should be enough to secure a win. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

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