Caro Kann Fantasy Variation - OzChess

**mowcop** · 06-28-2010, 12:43 AM

Saw this game tonight on ICC between Hou Yifan and Stefanova.

**Just2Good** · 06-28-2010, 06:55 PM

But there are no annotations

**Talkerbot** · 07-15-2010, 04:11 PM

The Caro-Kann Defence is a common defense against the King's Pawn Opening.I used to meet the Caro-Kann with the Panov Attack, but now prefer the Short Attack instead.There has been a lot of interest of late in the Caro-Kann Fantasy Variation.I like the Exchange, and if they play anti caro-khan i like to play anti anti or the Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik attack.

**Just2Good** · 07-15-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by lymecaroline

The Caro-Kann Defence is a common defense against the King's Pawn Opening.I used to meet the Caro-Kann with the Panov Attack, but now prefer the Short Attack instead.There has been a lot of interest of late in the Caro-Kann Fantasy Variation.I like the Exchange, and if they play anti caro-khan i like to play anti anti or the Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik attack.

Yeah, but the Panov-Botvinnik attack has been refuted. I'm surprised you haven't lost a tournament game yet if you really do use this outdated variation.

**Igor Goldenberg** · 09-02-2010, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Comeback Kid

Yeah, but the Panov-Botvinnik attack has been refuted. I'm surprised you haven't lost a tournament game yet if you really do use this outdated variation.

Refuted is a bit strong, but it's not seen as dangerous as it used to be.
White can still get a small, but comfortable plus.
As for 3.f3, it's played occasionally, but not very dangerous. IIRC, the main line is something like 3.f3 de4 4.fe4 e5 5.Nf3 Be6. Black has to be carefull, though, I lost a game about twenty years ago

If black plays 3...Nf6, white can sack the pawn 4.Be3 de4 5.Nd2 ef3 6.Ngxf3 with surprisingly strong initiative.

**Noddy** · 09-02-2010, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

Refuted is a bit strong, but it's not seen as dangerous as it used to be.
White can still get a small, but comfortable plus.
As for 3.f3, it's played occasionally, but not very dangerous. IIRC, the main line is something like 3.f3 de4 4.fe4 e5 5.Nf3 Be6. Black has to be carefull, though, I lost a game about twenty years ago
If black plays 3...Nf6, white can sack the pawn 4.Be3 de4 5.Nd2 ef3 6.Ngxf3 with surprisingly strong initiative.

So in your final analysis, do you recommend white play the Panov attack or not?

**Axiom** · 09-02-2010, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Noddy

So in your final analysis, do you recommend white play the Panov attack or not?

Only if you wear an extra pair of underpants .

**Igor Goldenberg** · 09-03-2010, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Noddy

So in your final analysis, do you recommend white play the Panov attack or not?

It's up to you, I can't recommend pro or against.

**Noddy** · 09-03-2010, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg

It's up to you, I can't recommend pro or against.

But I thought you were a chess coach?

**Axiom** · 09-03-2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Noddy

But I thought you were a chess coach?

He's not Caissa though !!

**Igor Goldenberg** · 09-07-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Noddy

But I thought you were a chess coach?

You can sign up for lessons

It depends on your strength, playing style, opening knowledge, etc.

06-28-2010, 06:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	But there are no annotations __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

07-15-2010, 04:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Talkerbot Talkerbot Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 17	The Caro-Kann Defence is a common defense against the King's Pawn Opening.I used to meet the Caro-Kann with the Panov Attack, but now prefer the Short Attack instead.There has been a lot of interest of late in the Caro-Kann Fantasy Variation.I like the Exchange, and if they play anti caro-khan i like to play anti anti or the Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik attack. __________________ - I am your humble servant! I am programmed to make posts on OzChess. I wish only to serve my organic masters.

07-15-2010, 05:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Just2Good Tin Cup Champ 2004 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cairns Posts: 6,233 ICC Handle: Advantage FICS Handle: Advantage	Originally Posted by lymecaroline The Caro-Kann Defence is a common defense against the King's Pawn Opening.I used to meet the Caro-Kann with the Panov Attack, but now prefer the Short Attack instead.There has been a lot of interest of late in the Caro-Kann Fantasy Variation.I like the Exchange, and if they play anti caro-khan i like to play anti anti or the Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik attack. Yeah, but the Panov-Botvinnik attack has been refuted. I'm surprised you haven't lost a tournament game yet if you really do use this outdated variation. __________________ . "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing." ~ Isaiah Berlin ~

09-02-2010, 03:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Comeback Kid Yeah, but the Panov-Botvinnik attack has been refuted. I'm surprised you haven't lost a tournament game yet if you really do use this outdated variation. Refuted is a bit strong, but it's not seen as dangerous as it used to be. White can still get a small, but comfortable plus. As for 3.f3, it's played occasionally, but not very dangerous. IIRC, the main line is something like 3.f3 de4 4.fe4 e5 5.Nf3 Be6. Black has to be carefull, though, I lost a game about twenty years ago If black plays 3...Nf6, white can sack the pawn 4.Be3 de4 5.Nd2 ef3 6.Ngxf3 with surprisingly strong initiative. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

09-02-2010, 07:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Toyland Posts: 256	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg Refuted is a bit strong, but it's not seen as dangerous as it used to be. White can still get a small, but comfortable plus. As for 3.f3, it's played occasionally, but not very dangerous. IIRC, the main line is something like 3.f3 de4 4.fe4 e5 5.Nf3 Be6. Black has to be carefull, though, I lost a game about twenty years ago If black plays 3...Nf6, white can sack the pawn 4.Be3 de4 5.Nd2 ef3 6.Ngxf3 with surprisingly strong initiative. So in your final analysis, do you recommend white play the Panov attack or not? __________________ Make Way for Noddy.

09-02-2010, 08:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Noddy So in your final analysis, do you recommend white play the Panov attack or not? Only if you wear an extra pair of underpants . __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

09-03-2010, 11:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Noddy So in your final analysis, do you recommend white play the Panov attack or not? It's up to you, I can't recommend pro or against. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

09-03-2010, 11:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Noddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Toyland Posts: 256	Originally Posted by Igor Goldenberg It's up to you, I can't recommend pro or against. But I thought you were a chess coach? __________________ Make Way for Noddy.

09-03-2010, 11:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Axiom Reality Analyst Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,498	Go Back To Toyland ! Originally Posted by Noddy But I thought you were a chess coach? He's not Caissa though !! __________________ "Sometimes the obligation of the intelligent is to restate the obvious. None more important than emphatically stating that there is a : ' Naked Emperor Elephant in the Room' " Axiom

09-07-2010, 06:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Igor Goldenberg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Noddy But I thought you were a chess coach? You can sign up for lessons It depends on your strength, playing style, opening knowledge, etc. __________________ For private coaching email IgorGoldenberg@bluebottle.com Computer tells you what to play, a good coach explains why. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. H. L. Mencken

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