Rookie question! - OzChess

**Seventeen** · 01-22-2010, 12:42 PM

Hey everyone! I've recently gotten back into chess (last time I was 11 haha) and want to start learning proper technique. Since I'm not that great I'm not sure if I'll be able to provide any thrilling discussion yet but perhaps you can help me a little?

I was looking at this game between Robert James Fischer and Lhamsuren Myagmarsuren: Robert James Fischer vs Lhamsuren Myagmarsuren (1967) "A Night In Tunisia"

I haven't learnt how to think at a high level yet so I was wondering if you could help explain the strategy behind white's 23. Bf6 ?

Thanks in advance!

Edit: Also, how do you embed chess games in this forum?
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**Lekko** · 01-22-2010, 12:47 PM

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If black plays gxf6 then after exf6 black can't stop the mate threats. There's going to be a mate after white plays Qg7 or Qh8, depending how black defends.

So after 23. Bf6 gxf6, white will look for 25. Qh6 and 26.Qg7# if the king stays where it is, and if he trys to run after say 24. Kf8, it's Qxh7 followed by Qh8.

Edit: the easiest way to see these sorts of things is to try to play out the position.

**Seventeen** · 01-22-2010, 03:29 PM

Thanks a lot Heartbreak! I hope I can think like that some day haha. And you're right- playing it out really helps getting into the mindset/though process. Much appreciated.

**Lekko** · 01-22-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Seventeen

Thanks a lot Heartbreak! I hope I can think like that some day haha. And you're right- playing it out really helps getting into the mindset/though process. Much appreciated.

It's a very common sacrafice and only worked because the queen couldn't cover g7. You should learn it yourself.

**Pablito15** · 01-22-2010, 05:18 PM

Welcome resparkled chess man!

It's true it's a common mating pattern, also, there is another common mating pattern in there. The black king cannot run away due to the position of black's queen: he will get back rank mater when the white queen comes to g8. You'll start to pick up that sort of thing more if you do some tactical puzzles.

**Lekko** · 01-22-2010, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Pablito15

Welcome resparkled chess man!

It's true it's a common mating pattern, also, there is another common mating pattern in there. The black king cannot run away due to the position of black's queen: he will get back rank mater when the white queen comes to g8. You'll start to pick up that sort of thing more if you do some tactical puzzles.

You'll also pick it up if you play Eli Beranjia at MCC

**Seventeen** · 01-22-2010, 10:51 PM

Sorry for the late reply- I've been at work all day except for my break.

I've got a few more clueless quetions now though...

So, is the main idea behind this mating pattern the combination of the sacrifice and trapped king?

Pablito, would you mind explaining the other mating pattern seen in there? I'm not following it at all at the moment, sorry!

And after playing through it myself just now, I realised I still don't fully understand this pattern. What stops black's queen from progressing to f8 and hence covering g7? White's exf6 is necessary to go through with the pattern right?

Finally... who's Eli Beranjia? I Googled him and all I gathered was that he/she's a highly respectable player in the Melbourne Chess Club. Sorry if I offend your prestige, Eli!

**Pablito15** · 01-23-2010, 12:36 AM

hehe.. I doubt you'll find elie around the forums, unless we develop some sort of live link with the club rooms.

HBK- learn by mating him after a crazy combo fails, or getting mated when a crazy combo works? Have to admit the former is yet to happen...

Seventeen- After gxf6, exf6- the king cannot run away to the queen side because the position of his queen on e7 blocks him.
If black didn't have a piece on e7 he may be able to survive by running to the queenside

As for "what stops black's queen progressing to f8" white is too fast because black needs 2 moves to get to f8, but white only really needs one move (two, but one of them is a check) to get to g7 and mate.

For example: Bf6, gxf6, exf6. And then you're saying Qe8 for black. threatening to get to f8. This would be fine if white responded to Qe8 with Qh6, but white will play Qg4 check. the king moves, and he has arrived to fast a g7 for black's queen.

Below you can see a similar pattern- this is what happens if the black king runs- it's better for black if he doesn't have a piece on e7!

edit: I really need some sleep here. There is definitely only one mate:> in 1

**Lekko** · 01-23-2010, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Seventeen

Sorry for the late reply- I've been at work all day except for my break.

I've got a few more clueless quetions now though...

So, is the main idea behind this mating pattern the combination of the sacrifice and trapped king?

Pablito, would you mind explaining the other mating pattern seen in there? I'm not following it at all at the moment, sorry!

And after playing through it myself just now, I realised I still don't fully understand this pattern. What stops black's queen from progressing to f8 and hence covering g7? White's exf6 is necessary to go through with the pattern right?

Finally... who's Eli Beranjia? I Googled him and all I gathered was that he/she's a highly respectable player in the Melbourne Chess Club. Sorry if I offend your prestige, Eli!

You don't get much better when it comes to attacking chess than Eli Beranjia

Stop by Melbourne Chess Club at some point, he'll definately be the one that welcomes you.

01-22-2010, 12:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Adding chess games to posts: OzChess - Australia's Chess Forum - FAQ: Posting Chess Games If black plays gxf6 then after exf6 black can't stop the mate threats. There's going to be a mate after white plays Qg7 or Qh8, depending how black defends. So after 23. Bf6 gxf6, white will look for 25. Qh6 and 26.Qg7# if the king stays where it is, and if he trys to run after say 24. Kf8, it's Qxh7 followed by Qh8. Edit: the easiest way to see these sorts of things is to try to play out the position. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-22-2010, 04:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Seventeen Thanks a lot Heartbreak! I hope I can think like that some day haha. And you're right- playing it out really helps getting into the mindset/though process. Much appreciated. It's a very common sacrafice and only worked because the queen couldn't cover g7. You should learn it yourself. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-22-2010, 07:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Pablito15 Welcome resparkled chess man! It's true it's a common mating pattern, also, there is another common mating pattern in there. The black king cannot run away due to the position of black's queen: he will get back rank mater when the white queen comes to g8. You'll start to pick up that sort of thing more if you do some tactical puzzles. You'll also pick it up if you play Eli Beranjia at MCC __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

01-23-2010, 12:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lekko HBK Join Date: May 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,359 ICC Handle: Heartbreak-Kid FICS Handle: HeartBreakingKid	Originally Posted by Seventeen Sorry for the late reply- I've been at work all day except for my break. I've got a few more clueless quetions now though... So, is the main idea behind this mating pattern the combination of the sacrifice and trapped king? Pablito, would you mind explaining the other mating pattern seen in there? I'm not following it at all at the moment, sorry! And after playing through it myself just now, I realised I still don't fully understand this pattern. What stops black's queen from progressing to f8 and hence covering g7? White's exf6 is necessary to go through with the pattern right? Finally... who's Eli Beranjia? I Googled him and all I gathered was that he/she's a highly respectable player in the Melbourne Chess Club. Sorry if I offend your prestige, Eli! You don't get much better when it comes to attacking chess than Eli Beranjia Stop by Melbourne Chess Club at some point, he'll definately be the one that welcomes you. __________________ Originally Posted by Iconoclast Girls attract boys. more girls playing chess = many more boys playing chess

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01-22-2010, 03:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Seventeen Resparked Chess Fan Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Newcastle! Posts: 3	Thanks a lot Heartbreak! I hope I can think like that some day haha. And you're right- playing it out really helps getting into the mindset/though process. Much appreciated.

01-22-2010, 05:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Pablito15 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 668	Welcome resparkled chess man! It's true it's a common mating pattern, also, there is another common mating pattern in there. The black king cannot run away due to the position of black's queen: he will get back rank mater when the white queen comes to g8. You'll start to pick up that sort of thing more if you do some tactical puzzles.

01-22-2010, 10:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Seventeen Resparked Chess Fan Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Newcastle! Posts: 3	Sorry for the late reply- I've been at work all day except for my break. I've got a few more clueless quetions now though... So, is the main idea behind this mating pattern the combination of the sacrifice and trapped king? Pablito, would you mind explaining the other mating pattern seen in there? I'm not following it at all at the moment, sorry! And after playing through it myself just now, I realised I still don't fully understand this pattern. What stops black's queen from progressing to f8 and hence covering g7? White's exf6 is necessary to go through with the pattern right? Finally... who's Eli Beranjia? I Googled him and all I gathered was that he/she's a highly respectable player in the Melbourne Chess Club. Sorry if I offend your prestige, Eli!