Kevin Bonham's Deceptive Shell Game

[Firegoat7]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

No you're not. So correcting that to "Ozchess" (not that I can recall you actually moderating anything) :

Thank you for pointing out my misinforming typo error,much appreciated. In regards to your moderation observation, I can assure you that I prefer my moderation to be unnoticed and that if you fail to observe it I am more then happy with the outcome.

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

This is a fundamental logical error called "affirming the consequent".

If I say "if you do X, Y happens to you" then that does not automatically imply "If Y happens to you then you must have done X"

In this case, X = having hydras
Y = being a mod/admin

Sorry but I disagree with your "logic". If Y is a mod and X is a hydra, then the empirical fact that "I am a mod" is enough proof to cast doubt on your dubious assertion that .......

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

I think it's quite safe to assume that the penalty for hydras here is promotion to admin or mod.

This is because in this case X and Y are independent events and for your assumption to be regarded as a factual statement, your causal evidence needs to be dependent for your argument to hold. Please let me know if you need anymore help understanding these basic problems.

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

I'm the Arbiter, and my post count is so low because this account has only made four posts (including this one).
Hope that helps!

Simple observation of the forum has already established that fact. It seems to me that for some unknown reason you do not wish to reveal your true identity. If you are worried about posting your name on a forum, why not pm me privately?

cheers,

[Firegoat7]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

In other words, a kangaroo court where a former flamewar opponent of the accused is one of the judges. As a pretence to a superior model of justice, completely farcical, especially as you would be "trying" someone for conduct you clearly approve of.

Who is 'The Arbiter'?
A simple answer to this honest question would be a much better start. Please try and remember that before your seventh post.

cheers,

Fg7

[Arrogant-One]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

(Incidentally having a hydra is not an offence on chesschat, but using or creating a hydra while banned is.)

Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham

Account "Adam" banned permanently as an unnecessary hydra using false personal information to create false impressions concerning the identity of the person operating the account.

That user may continue to use an existing account but any new ones that involve false information will be banned immediately and may lead to a more general sanction.

So the ban was because he had posted 'as an unecessary hydra'? As everyone knew the hydra's identity, the argument that there were false impressions about the identity of the hydra doesn't seem to have much substance.

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

This is because in this case X and Y are independent events and for your assumption to be regarded as a factual statement, your causal evidence needs to be dependent for your argument to hold.

That's a different matter. My claim that having hydras leads to being a mod here was a rhetorical way to draw attention to the complete absurdity of punishing or even investigating someone for having a hydra when three of the four key staff use hydras themselves, in two cases in large numbers.

There is still a degree of causality involved though, because it was partly AO's and Iconoclast's insistence on signing up hydras while suspended that got them further into the banning cycle on chesschat, their eventual permanent bannings from which contributed to AO's founding of this site and Iconoclast's (token) moderator position here.

Now, in the hope of preventing this debate from inflating this place's postcount any more than it deserves (and certainly not on the strength of the very weak evidence produced to me via PM):

* I signed an account up under my real name to prevent impersonation (which had already occurred on one of Matt's forum and also one of my posts from Chesschat had been posted under my name as guest here without my consent). It is extremely unlikely that I will ever post using that account (and indeed now that there is no reason for me to use proxies for this one, I may well cease using it entirely).

* lotlizard was indeed me. A weak and flimsy specimen of the hydra sub-troll genre at the best of times but it still took AO most of a year to suspect that there was anything up. In early March he told me that there were no hydras here (apart from the account "Alex Toolsie") so I dropped him an extremely generous hint, and since then he has been gradually groping towards the truth. I doubt his "evidence" was up to much though, eg he seemed to think all my accounts being on at the same time once was some kind of big deal. Well, I guess when hardly anyone bothers over here it may well be! (I was aware that this was a likely route of detection from the start and made very little effort to avoid this).

* Aside from embarrassingly stuffing up the registration of this account (leading to unnecessary duplicates TheArbiter and The_Arbiter), I have no other accounts besides those mentioned.

A number of points about the lotlizard account:

- The origin of the name "lotlizard" is somewhat risque. A "lot lizard" is a prostitute who hangs around in truckstops. I was hoping that this name would arouse Iconoclast's lowbrow curiosity and stir him into his bad old vulgar ways (especially as the posting style was similar to that of "chesssnake" from UCJ, a particularly inane and naughty troll that was also me.) However I overrestimated his level of interest in the matter or indeed in anything else going on here.

- There is a connection between the expression "lot lizard" and lotlizard's location "hysterical realm". They are connected by the fake author JT LeRoy, who claimed to have been a cross-dressing lot lizard as a teenager (but was actually a woman pretending be a gay man who had pretended to be a woman), and who is also the subject of a Garbage song in which the lyric "hysterical realm" (which to me completely sums up the blatant disregard for the facts so often on display on this forum) occurs.

- I originally intended to drop spurious hints that lotlizard might be female. I abandoned this ploy when a few posters here insisted on assuming lotlizard was male although there was absolutely no evidence presented either way.

- At one point AO PMd lotlizard asking if lotlizard was South African as lotlizard was signed up in the South African timezone. This was very funny as I could not for the life of me remember why I used the South African timezone for lotlizard.

- lotlizard is not meant to be me, but is meant to be a deliberately dumb-sounding character (complete with deliberate misspellings and so on) who nonetheless usually gets the facts right. This combination appears to be more irksome to opponents than someone who consistently has a clue, and worked particularly well in lotlizard's exchange with Fischer-Fan.

- Early in its life lotlizard was able to post in the shoutbox, although I needed to use my main account to read the shoutbox. At some point, some change in the site made even posting to the shoutbox using a proxy impossible so lotlizard stopped doing that. There was a time when I was testing a range of different proxies to see if any could read and post in the shoutbox, and this not only would have given lotlizard a big range of proxy IP hits, but also was the cause of it posting the same reply to AO's shouts four times in a row.

- I thought lotlizard would get well and truly busted within a few months as it just seemed all too obvious, and I have been surprised how long it has lived, although a few months ago it became clear that it was finally on the radar so I started to wind back its existence.

Originally Posted by Arrogant-One

So the ban was because he had posted 'as an unecessary hydra'?

No, it wasn't just that. There are a few more or less unnecessary hydras that are well known and persist to this day. It was the combo of unnecessary hydra and slagging off other posters and false personal information and not revealing who he was when PMd that did him in.

As everyone knew the hydra's identity,

Not the case at all - sure, many posters had speculated he was Powell but they had no evidence apart from a pattern of behaviour and posting style.

[Arrogant-One]

Great Chief of Tribal Council,



Please, lets get the goat of this ridiculous pedestal. I believe the evidence should be presented to everybody! I will and I hope others will offer their opinions.

Anyway AO,

A couple of questions.

1. Does Ozchess have any publicly stated policy pertaining to rules regarding hydra accounts?
2. Is it mandatory to use your proper name when signing up to Ozchess?


Question for Axiom,

1.Does Dr Kevin Bonham admit to being the owner of the Ozchess accounts: lotlizard, The Arbiter and Kevin Bonham on Ozchess
2. Would your client please tell us how many other accounts he has on Ozchess.

cheers,

Fg7

Spoiler for Evidence #3:

He requested via Private Message that this matter be resolved quietly, and outside of Tribal Council.

Incorrect - while I did indicate that I found the Tribal Council concept ridiculous (someone's been watching too much unreality TV!) what I actually said was:

Suffice to say that if you go ahead with any Tribal Council on these terms, any result thus acheived will make the current Zimbabwe elections look good - whether your findings are true or not!

Therefore I have no interest in participating in such a sham. After all, if you want to ban me, you'll have to ban [MOZ] and ban yourself.

If you want me to own up to having hydras, all you have to do is PM me evidence that I have hydras, of a level that an independent person reviewing it would find remotely convincing. If you do this, and I have any, I will own up to them - while if you present an unconvincing case, obviously there is no need for me to do anything.

Far from resolving the matter quietly, had you PMd me satisfactory evidence I would have "owned up" (not that anything you do is an offence) right away. As it was I only did so to try to put a stop to your postcount-boosting fluff and speculation about the matter.

Obviously if you ban me for something you do yourself, you will just be banning me for being me. Don't even bother dressing it up as anything else.

(PM sent about another error you have made.)

PS I am representing myself in dealing with this nonsense, stop trying to involve Axiom as a way to increase the postcounts involved.

[Firegoat7]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

Far from resolving the matter quietly, had you PMd me satisfactory evidence I would have "owned up" (not that anything you do is an offence) right away.

Let us resolve the matter publicly in an honest and transparent way. Please tell us the name of every account that you have registered on Ozchess.

cheers,

[MOZ]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

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PS I am representing myself in dealing with this nonsense, stop trying to involve Axiom as a way to increase the postcounts involved.

Actually, I rather found it valuable when Frosty was the third party who got involved in the allegation that a test-post had been deleted here. His refutation was well conducted.

The more the merrier I say.

[Axiom]

Originally Posted by MOZ

Actually, I rather found it valuable when Frosty was the third party who got involved in the allegation that a test-post had been deleted here. His refutation was well conducted.

The more the merrier I say.

First KB was not going to contest , now he wants to act as his own defence !
I really cannot keep up with these crazy clients !

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

Let us resolve the matter publicly in an honest and transparent way. Please tell us the name of every account that you have registered on Ozchess.

I've already covered this in a previous post where I stated all the hydras I had used (aside from the account in my own name) and said there were no others.

Originally Posted by MOZ

Actually, I rather found it valuable when Frosty was the third party who got involved in the allegation that a test-post had been deleted here. His refutation was well conducted.

In this case there is now nothing to investigate. It only remains to be seen if anyone is actually silly enough to support actually "punishing" me for a non-offence continually committed by senior forum staff both here and elsewhere, on a site that has never even worked out any rules.

[MOZ]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

<snip>


In this case there is now nothing to investigate. <snip>

This remains to be seen.
Your professed motivation for the trolling actions may interest the ADMIN.
Then again it may not.

Originally Posted by MOZ

This remains to be seen.
Your professed motivation for the trolling actions may interest the ADMIN.
Then again it may not.

Given the amount of badly-motivated trolling, defamation and nonsense about me already plastering this forum (much of it AO's) to take any action on the basis of my "motivation" would be more than a little bit precious, and hypocritical in the extreme. Naturally, if he wanted to be like that, I couldn't stop him, but that wouldn't change what it was!

Feel free to keep looking for a legitimate premise upon which he (or any patsy he can find to support it) might base action - just don't expect that you will find one.

[Firegoat7]

Originally Posted by The Arbiter

I've already covered this in a previous post where I stated all the hydras I had used (aside from the account in my own name) and said there were no others.

Ok. So let's clarify the facts.

In your own words please, Do you now admit that you have ONLY created three accounts on Ozchess? Furthermore are these accounts called Kevin Bonham, lotlizard and The Arbiter?

cheers Fg7

Originally Posted by Firegoat7

In your own words please, Do you now admit that you have ONLY created three accounts on Ozchess?

The facts are clear so I am not sure why you are asking me to clarify them.

You missed the abortive attempts TheArbiter and The_Arbiter, as already mentioned. You did not miss any others.