Australian Junior Championships (Bidding) - OzChess

**Iconoclast** · 08-02-2008, 06:19 PM

SAJCL wants to host the Australian Junior Championships not only in 2009 but the 2010 as well. Two, consecutively!! Do you think that that super application will be processed by the ACF or the new AJCL.

**Bill Gletsos** · 08-02-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

SAJCL wants to host the Australian Junior Championships not only in 2009 but the 2010 as well. Two, consecutively!!

News to me.
Where has SAJCL said they want to host the 2010 Australian Junior.

**Iconoclast** · 08-03-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

News to me.

Hmmm. Maybe it was supposed to be a kept quite. In any case, it means you must be out of the loop.

**Bill Gletsos** · 08-03-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Hmmm. Maybe it was supposed to be a kept quite. In any case, it means you must be out of the loop.

No, but I apologise for any confusion.
I should have been more explicit and explanatory with my question.

The SAJCL has the right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior. Now although they have indicated they wish to exercise their right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior they also stated that a final decision would not be made by them until after their holding of the 2009 Australian Junior.

As such I consider it more of a possibility as a opposed to a definite.

**Iconoclast** · 08-03-2008, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

The SAJCL has the right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior. Now although they have indicated they wish to exercise their right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior they also stated that a final decision would not be made by them until after their holding of the 2009 Australian Junior.

Would it not be fair to let Tasmania have a go in 2010 because Tasmania is keen to have a go and SACL is having a turn in 2009.

However, my question was and still is, which body will make the decision on who holds the 2010 AJChamps? ACF or AFCL?

**Bill Gletsos** · 08-03-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Would it not be fair to let Tasmania have a go in 2010 because Tasmania is keen to have a go and SACL is having a turn in 2009.

Perhaps however each state has a year in which it has the option to hold the event without it going out to bids.

Tasmania were scheduled to hold the junior in 2008. Tasmania did not exercise their option to hold it. NSW therefore bid for the event and awarded it by the ACF.
NSW were scheduled to hold the junior in 2009. NSW did not exercise its option to hold it. SA therefore bid and were awarded it by the ACF.
SA are scheduled to hold the junior in 2010. They have advised the ACF they intend to exercise their option to hold it.

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

However, my question was and still is, which body will make the decision on who holds the 2010 AJChamps? ACF or AFCL?

The ACF has already noted that SA have advised they have exercised their option to hold the 2010 Junior.

**Ninja** · 08-14-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

Perhaps however each state has a year in which it has the option to hold the event without it going out to bids.

Tasmania were scheduled to hold the junior in 2008. Tasmania did not exercise their option to hold it. NSW were scheduled to hold the junior in 2009NSW did not exercise its option to hold it. SA are scheduled to hold the junior in 2010. They have advised the ACF they intend to exercise their option to hold it. .

Should REALLY help promote junior chess in Australia, holding it in the same state twice in a row!

Would have thought the number of states chosing to not hold it at "their turn" might have actually awoken a few people to think maybe the system doesn't work and it was about time to fix it. Oops , forgot...can't do anything sensible, that would be out of character..

**MOZ** · 08-14-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Would it not be fair to let Tasmania have a go in 2010 because Tasmania is keen to have a go and SACL is having a turn in 2009.

However, my question was and still is, which body will make the decision on who holds the 2010 AJChamps? ACF or AFCL?

Have you got the correct acronym there?

And an interesting question it sure is.

MOZ

**Iconoclast** · 08-14-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

Have you got the correct acronym there?

And an interesting question it sure is.

MOZ

Ah, the old AFCL vs the AJCL trick. I spend much more of my time in and on football (Soccer) than chess, so football-chess, chess-football, they leak into each other sometimes.

Imagine the stink if the World Cup (football) was held in the same country twice in a succession. Mate, it simply would not happen because it would not be good for the game. However, in the case of junior chess in Australia, who knows what the ACF will rule - and they will rule. The ACF has the AJCL gonads in a vice and a 1200W power drill attached to the handle.

In fact, the AJCL has been totally silenced by the ACF. The ACF will continue to say when and where the Australian Junior Championships will be held. It will even let Mt Buller types monopolise the Championships to a minor desert capital, at the expense of the future of chess in major population centres on the east coast.

**MOZ** · 08-15-2008, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Ah, the old AFCL vs the AJCL trick. I spend much more of my time in and on football (Soccer) than chess, so football-chess, chess-football, they leak into each other sometimes.

Imagine the stink if the World Cup (football) was held in the same country twice in a succession. Mate, it simply would not happen because it would not be good for the game. However, in the case of junior chess in Australia, who knows what the ACF will rule - and they will rule. The ACF has the AJCL gonads in a vice and a 1200W power drill attached to the handle.

In fact, the AJCL has been totally silenced by the ACF. The ACF will continue to say when and where the Australian Junior Championships will be held. It will even let Mt Buller types monopolise the Championships to a minor desert capital, at the expense of the future of chess in major population centres on the east coast.

But, but, but .... the record shows the following declarations
1)
They could go on as they are now while the AusJCL handled national Juniors matters such as allocating or running the Australian Junior Championships and Schools Teams Championships, the Ergas Elite Junior Development Squad and selections of Australian juniors for overseas tournaments.
2)
I understand, from some discussions that I have had, that the intention is for CV to bid for the 2010 Aus Juniors. I'm sure that, with proper preparation, CV can put on a good show and I hope that they will.
DJ

Are these declarations now non-operative?

**Iconoclast** · 08-15-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by MOZ

But, but, but .... the record shows the following declarations
1) ...AusJCL handled national Juniors matters such as allocating or running the Australian Junior Championships

2) ... I'm sure that, with proper preparation, CV can put on a good [2010] show and I hope that they will.
DJ

Are these declarations now non-operative?

Ask yourself who said that these were "operative" in the first place. When some old gezzer with a pananche for getting himself bitch slapped by control freaks says the AJCL will do XYZ, I look at his form and ignore him.

This is the same gezzer who is responsible for drafting the new AJCL constitution by plagiarising the ACF constitution thus insuring that the Mini-Me-ACF clone will be as and inept as the ACF.

**Chessic-Adventures** · 08-16-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

Ask yourself who said that these were "operative" in the first place. When some old gezzer with a pananche for getting himself bitch slapped by control freaks says the AJCL will do XYZ, I look at his form and ignore him.

This is the same gezzer who is responsible for drafting the new AJCL constitution by plagiarising the ACF constitution thus insuring that the Mini-Me-ACF clone will be as and inept as the ACF.

I don't think it was ever meant to be fully independent, but I haven't been following this issue to closely. Who knows, maybe it will become remarkably successful.

**Iconoclast** · 08-16-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures

...I haven't been following this issue to closely.

.

Even if you wanted to you could not because the ACF is a
SCRETE SOCIETY
of power trippers and control freaks.

I think it may be time to get Jenny Oliver to spill the beans on the current level of our hoodwinkedness.

.

08-02-2008, 06:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Australian Junior Championships (Bidding) SAJCL wants to host the Australian Junior Championships not only in 2009 but the 2010 as well. Two, consecutively!! Do you think that that super application will be processed by the ACF or the new AJCL. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-02-2008, 06:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 287	Originally Posted by Iconoclast SAJCL wants to host the Australian Junior Championships not only in 2009 but the 2010 as well. Two, consecutively!! News to me. Where has SAJCL said they want to host the 2010 Australian Junior.

08-03-2008, 12:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos News to me. Hmmm. Maybe it was supposed to be a kept quite. In any case, it means you must be out of the loop. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-03-2008, 12:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 287	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Hmmm. Maybe it was supposed to be a kept quite. In any case, it means you must be out of the loop. No, but I apologise for any confusion. I should have been more explicit and explanatory with my question. The SAJCL has the right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior. Now although they have indicated they wish to exercise their right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior they also stated that a final decision would not be made by them until after their holding of the 2009 Australian Junior. As such I consider it more of a possibility as a opposed to a definite.

08-03-2008, 02:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos The SAJCL has the right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior. Now although they have indicated they wish to exercise their right to hold the 2010 Australian Junior they also stated that a final decision would not be made by them until after their holding of the 2009 Australian Junior. Would it not be fair to let Tasmania have a go in 2010 because Tasmania is keen to have a go and SACL is having a turn in 2009. However, my question was and still is, which body will make the decision on who holds the 2010 AJChamps? ACF or AFCL? __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-03-2008, 06:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bill Gletsos Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 287	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Would it not be fair to let Tasmania have a go in 2010 because Tasmania is keen to have a go and SACL is having a turn in 2009. Perhaps however each state has a year in which it has the option to hold the event without it going out to bids. Tasmania were scheduled to hold the junior in 2008. Tasmania did not exercise their option to hold it. NSW therefore bid for the event and awarded it by the ACF. NSW were scheduled to hold the junior in 2009. NSW did not exercise its option to hold it. SA therefore bid and were awarded it by the ACF. SA are scheduled to hold the junior in 2010. They have advised the ACF they intend to exercise their option to hold it. Originally Posted by Iconoclast However, my question was and still is, which body will make the decision on who holds the 2010 AJChamps? ACF or AFCL? The ACF has already noted that SA have advised they have exercised their option to hold the 2010 Junior.

08-14-2008, 09:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ninja Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 34	Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos Perhaps however each state has a year in which it has the option to hold the event without it going out to bids. Tasmania were scheduled to hold the junior in 2008. Tasmania did not exercise their option to hold it. NSW were scheduled to hold the junior in 2009NSW did not exercise its option to hold it. SA are scheduled to hold the junior in 2010. They have advised the ACF they intend to exercise their option to hold it. . Should REALLY help promote junior chess in Australia, holding it in the same state twice in a row! Would have thought the number of states chosing to not hold it at "their turn" might have actually awoken a few people to think maybe the system doesn't work and it was about time to fix it. Oops , forgot...can't do anything sensible, that would be out of character..

08-14-2008, 09:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
MOZ Figurehead absolute. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In the Margin Posts: 1,062	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Would it not be fair to let Tasmania have a go in 2010 because Tasmania is keen to have a go and SACL is having a turn in 2009. However, my question was and still is, which body will make the decision on who holds the 2010 AJChamps? ACF or AFCL? Have you got the correct acronym there? And an interesting question it sure is. MOZ __________________ I support the right to vote for moderators.

08-14-2008, 11:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by MOZ Have you got the correct acronym there? And an interesting question it sure is. MOZ Ah, the old AFCL vs the AJCL trick. I spend much more of my time in and on football (Soccer) than chess, so football-chess, chess-football, they leak into each other sometimes. Imagine the stink if the World Cup (football) was held in the same country twice in a succession. Mate, it simply would not happen because it would not be good for the game. However, in the case of junior chess in Australia, who knows what the ACF will rule - and they will rule. The ACF has the AJCL gonads in a vice and a 1200W power drill attached to the handle. In fact, the AJCL has been totally silenced by the ACF. The ACF will continue to say when and where the Australian Junior Championships will be held. It will even let Mt Buller types monopolise the Championships to a minor desert capital, at the expense of the future of chess in major population centres on the east coast. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-15-2008, 01:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
MOZ Figurehead absolute. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In the Margin Posts: 1,062	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Ah, the old AFCL vs the AJCL trick. I spend much more of my time in and on football (Soccer) than chess, so football-chess, chess-football, they leak into each other sometimes. Imagine the stink if the World Cup (football) was held in the same country twice in a succession. Mate, it simply would not happen because it would not be good for the game. However, in the case of junior chess in Australia, who knows what the ACF will rule - and they will rule. The ACF has the AJCL gonads in a vice and a 1200W power drill attached to the handle. In fact, the AJCL has been totally silenced by the ACF. The ACF will continue to say when and where the Australian Junior Championships will be held. It will even let Mt Buller types monopolise the Championships to a minor desert capital, at the expense of the future of chess in major population centres on the east coast. But, but, but .... the record shows the following declarations 1) They could go on as they are now while the AusJCL handled national Juniors matters such as allocating or running the Australian Junior Championships and Schools Teams Championships, the Ergas Elite Junior Development Squad and selections of Australian juniors for overseas tournaments. 2) I understand, from some discussions that I have had, that the intention is for CV to bid for the 2010 Aus Juniors. I'm sure that, with proper preparation, CV can put on a good show and I hope that they will. DJ Are these declarations now non-operative? __________________ I support the right to vote for moderators.

08-15-2008, 06:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by MOZ But, but, but .... the record shows the following declarations 1) ...AusJCL handled national Juniors matters such as allocating or running the Australian Junior Championships 2) ... I'm sure that, with proper preparation, CV can put on a good [2010] show and I hope that they will. DJ Are these declarations now non-operative? Ask yourself who said that these were "operative" in the first place. When some old gezzer with a pananche for getting himself bitch slapped by control freaks says the AJCL will do XYZ, I look at his form and ignore him. This is the same gezzer who is responsible for drafting the new AJCL constitution by plagiarising the ACF constitution thus insuring that the Mini-Me-ACF clone will be as and inept as the ACF. __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

08-16-2008, 04:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chessic-Adventures Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 204	Originally Posted by Iconoclast Ask yourself who said that these were "operative" in the first place. When some old gezzer with a pananche for getting himself bitch slapped by control freaks says the AJCL will do XYZ, I look at his form and ignore him. This is the same gezzer who is responsible for drafting the new AJCL constitution by plagiarising the ACF constitution thus insuring that the Mini-Me-ACF clone will be as and inept as the ACF. I don't think it was ever meant to be fully independent, but I haven't been following this issue to closely. Who knows, maybe it will become remarkably successful.

08-16-2008, 06:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
Iconoclast Immoderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Chessic-Adventures ...I haven't been following this issue to closely. . Even if you wanted to you could not because the ACF is a SCRETE SOCIETY of power trippers and control freaks. I think it may be time to get Jenny Oliver to spill the beans on the current level of our hoodwinkedness. . __________________ The individual is hopeless without the group. The group is hopeless without its individuals.

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